The Troy Brown Thread

[NatP4]

Divincenzo just won’t be able to defend 3s and 4s though, Brown probably can right away even. I think his shot looks projectable, not terrible form, a little whacky, but maybe that’s what impressed them so much at then workout, maybe he was much improved?

Time will tell, Divincenzo is going to be good, but Brown has another gear if he develops the shot.

[Kanyewest]

Brown might be a fairly good player when his rookie contract runs out. Is there any reason to believe he'll be useful as a rookie? And what's the upside on him? I've heard EG and Brooks talk about him this morning, and with both - the first thing they said was his length - ignoring the fact that his wingspan is nowhere near Oubre's. He's not regarded as any kind of outstanding athlete. He's a lousy shooter at this point. He plays timidly. What's the upside - that he was a point guard in HS? He didn't even make his conference all-freshman team. What is there that makes him a compelling prospect at 15? I can pretty much guarantee that the 16th and 17th picks - ZSmith and DDV - will contribute as rookies - and should have very productive careers. I can't say either of those things about Brown. I'm picturing DDV raining 3's against the Wiz, and I'm picturing Brown sitting on the bench against Milwaukee - not because I want it but because it's what I expect.

Yeah, I would have gone with Donte over Brown. Although perhaps Brown was a better player than Donte in his true freshman season. But it looks like Donte has a developed 3 point shot and seems like other than length, Donte is everything that you would hope Brown would develop into.

Everywhere that I've seen is that Smith was preferred prospect over Brown. Although I can't say I'm in love with Smith based on his showing in the tournament against Villanova- then again VIllanova made a lot of players look silly including Colin Sexton.

I think what Brown has over Donte is versatility. Over time, he could possibly play four positions. Donte is a 2, might develop into a combo guard. What I do like about Donte (over Huerter) is that he has a lot of dawg in him and of course, the great ups. But with more weightlifting and strength training, Brown could add some inches to that 33-inch vertical. I read where Oubre added about 3-4 inches last season to his leap.

Yeah, I agree that his ability to play 4 positions probably allows him more of an opportunity to get on the floor. The Wizards already have a bit of that flexibility with Porter/Oubre ability to play the 4. I suppose it allows the Wizards flexibility down the line to let one of them go. Donte could be in a small lineup with Wall/Beal/Porter. If Brown can up his 3 point percentage, then he's a superior prospect because of his length.

[queridiculo]

Nothing, absolutely nothing is going to change about how this team conducts business for as long as Leonsis owns this team.

Ted doesn't give a flying **** about this franchise, or its fans, that have kept this team afloat despite 4 decades of collective ineptitude.

At this point the only way he could top keeping Grunfeld around is to sell this franchise off to Seattle.

[FAH1223]

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BIGGEST WINNERS AT THE DRAFT

1. Phoenix Suns: Ayton, Bridges
2. Dallas Mavericks: Doncic, Brunson
3. Boston Celtics: Robert Williams

BIGGEST LOSERS AT THE DRAFT

1. Washington Wizards: Brown, Sanon
2. Portland Trail Blazers: Simons
3. Sacramento Kings: Bagley

— Baseline Hoops (@baseline_hoops) June 22, 2018

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[Ruzious]

Candace is a good writer - nice to see she's not a puppet. She's subtly making the point that its highly unusual to have such low expectations for the 15th pick.

Wizards... low expectations!

[NatP4]

if "Baseline hoops" says so...

to me the biggest losers were:

Clippers: 12&13 and you end up with SGA&Jerome Robinson??

Lakers: Mo Wagner at 25? are you serious?

Jazz: Grayson Allen at 21?

Knicks: Knox at 9 is just terrible. Even though Mitchell Robinson is a nice pick at 36.

and still, the Hawks: what are you doing passing on Doncic AND Jaren Jackson? then taking Huerter over Robert Williams? Thy could've gone Donic-Williams-Okobo.

biggest winners I agree with, but I gotta add Denver, getting Porter at 14 is crazy value, and then they get Jarred Vanderbilt in R2.

[80sballboy]

https://www.nba.com/wizards/what-theyre-saying-about-wizards-draft

[truwizfan4evr]

Why are we mad about troy brown jr again? i never heard of him until last night. i assume he was horrible listening to the board as i did more research on him and watched his highlights, He's a really good player also has good height. This board overreacts on draft night, then always end up loving the pick we drafted as far as Otto Porter Jr and Beal.

[Ruzious]

Why are we made about troy brown jr again? i never heard of him till last night. i assume he was horrible listening to the board as i do more research on him and watch his highlights, He's a really good player also has good height. This board overreacts on draft night then end up loving the pic we receive as far as Otto Porter jr and Beal.

Nobody's said he can't be a good player. But I think it's unrealistic to think this raw wing player who made 29% of his college 3's is going to contribute much - as Candace Buckner subtly put it - as a rookie, and he's got less upside than several players picked after him, imo. And he doesn't fill a need. Those are all things that SHOULD be mentioned. If you look at Ernie's history here, you know he's done really poorly overall with draft picks. Yes, he's had Wall, Beal, and Porter, but they were all top 3 picks in the draft...

[truwizfan4evr]

Why are we made about troy brown jr again? i never heard of him till last night. i assume he was horrible listening to the board as i do more research on him and watch his highlights, He's a really good player also has good height. This board overreacts on draft night then end up loving the pic we receive as far as Otto Porter jr and Beal.

Nobody's said he can't be a good player. But I think it's unrealistic to think this raw wing player who made 29% of his college 3's is going to contribute much - as Candace Bruckner subtly put it - as a rookie.

I'm trying to be positive about this draft pick. Many players had made a good impact without shooting the 3 ball well. Hopefully, he can improve on his 3 point shot. For my own peace of mind, I just hope this kid succeed on this roster.

[FAH1223]

My former boss, an Oregon alum with a Troy scouting report

“He reached. Troy is not ready for the NBA. Good defender and rebounder for his size but a lot has to develop on offense to make him useful“

[Illmatic12]

BIGGEST WINNERS AT THE DRAFT

1. Phoenix Suns: Ayton, Bridges
2. Dallas Mavericks: Doncic, Brunson
3. Boston Celtics: Robert Williams

BIGGEST LOSERS AT THE DRAFT

1. Washington Wizards: Brown, Sanon
2. Portland Trail Blazers: Simons
3. Sacramento Kings: Bagley

— Baseline Hoops (@baseline_hoops) June 22, 2018

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What exactly makes the Kings losers ? Bagley is a beast . Who do you think Sac should have taken, Doncic ?

[truwizfan4evr]

My former boss, an Oregon alum with a Troy scouting report

“He reached. Troy is not ready for the NBA. Good defender and rebounder for his size but a lot has to develop on offense to make him useful“

I was trying to be optimistic about the troy draft pick, I guess another horrible year for the wizards again. lol While Ernie gets rewarded with an extension.

[Ruzious]

Why are we made about troy brown jr again? i never heard of him till last night. i assume he was horrible listening to the board as i do more research on him and watch his highlights, He's a really good player also has good height. This board overreacts on draft night then end up loving the pic we receive as far as Otto Porter jr and Beal.

Nobody's said he can't be a good player. But I think it's unrealistic to think this raw wing player who made 29% of his college 3's is going to contribute much - as Candace Bruckner subtly put it - as a rookie.

I'm trying to be positive about this draft pick. Many players had made a good impact without shooting the 3 ball well. Hopefully, he can improve on his 3 point shot. For my own peace of mind, I just hope this kid succeed on this roster.

I can't enjoy being a fan if I'm not being somewhat realistic. Every year, it's become more and more important to hit the 3. You have to be great at something else if you don't have a reliable 3 point shot. What can he be great at? Some folks are talking bravely about his defensive potential, but what's special about his defense. He's got decent athleticism but nothing special. He's got decent length but nothing special. The scouting report said he can be a good team defender but not a shut-down type of defender. I mean... he can be good at a bunch of things, but he is going to need the 3 point shot, imo. Hopefully, it comes around quickly.

[pcbothwel]

Why are we made about troy brown jr again? i never heard of him till last night. i assume he was horrible listening to the board as i do more research on him and watch his highlights, He's a really good player also has good height. This board overreacts on draft night then end up loving the pic we receive as far as Otto Porter jr and Beal.

Nobody's said he can't be a good player. But I think it's unrealistic to think this raw wing player who made 29% of his college 3's is going to contribute much - as Candace Buckner subtly put it - as a rookie, and he's got less upside than several players picked after him, imo. And he doesn't fill a need. Those are all things that SHOULD be mentioned. If you look at Ernie's history here, you know he's done really poorly overall with draft picks. Yes, he's had Wall, Beal, and Porter, but they were all top 3 picks in the draft...

My one argument is this perceived "upside". Anytime a player isnt an athletic freak they say "High Floor", and when he is they say "High ceiling".
Hoping some athlete develops a motor or IQ isnt upside...its wishful thinking.
Hoping one of the youngest and smartest players in the draft develops his body after a recent growth spurt is indeed upside.
Brown is more than a year younger than John Wall was when he got drafted... and look at his physical changes. He was a top 15, 5-star recruit out of HS (Ahead of SGA, Vanderbilt, Trae Young, and McCoy).He choose Oregon over Ohio State, Kansas, Arizona, and Georgetown.

Low upside guys dont split the double team and then dunk on Marvin Bagley

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We got ourselves a basketball player, much like Otto.

But you know... he's not a good athlete...

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[DCZards]

My former boss, an Oregon alum with a Troy scouting report

“He reached. Troy is not ready for the NBA. Good defender and rebounder for his size but a lot has to develop on offense to make him useful“

Shocking! A 18 year old is "not ready" for the NBA. You could say that about two-thirds of the guys drafted in the first round yesterday.

[truwizfan4evr]

My former boss, an Oregon alum with a Troy scouting report

“He reached. Troy is not ready for the NBA. Good defender and rebounder for his size but a lot has to develop on offense to make him useful“

Shocking! A 18 year old is "not ready" for the NBA. You could say that about two-thirds of the guys drafted in the first round yesterday.

good point.

[NatP4]

My former boss, an Oregon alum with a Troy scouting report

“He reached. Troy is not ready for the NBA. Good defender and rebounder for his size but a lot has to develop on offense to make him useful“

Shocking! A 18 year old is "not ready" for the NBA. You could say that about two-thirds of the guys drafted in the first round yesterday.

College freshman #s

Jaylen Brown per 40:
21 points 7.8 rebounds 3 assists 1.2 steals 1 block 4.5 turnovers. .518 TS% 43/29/65

OBPM: 0.3
DBPM: 3.3
BPM: 3.6

OWS: 1.0
DWS 1.8
WS: 2.7
WS/40: .117

Troy Brown per 40:
14.5 points 8 rebounds 4.1 assists 2 steals 0.3 blocks 3 turnovers. .532 TS% 44/29/74

OBPM: 1.3
DBPM: 2.9
BPM: 4.3

OWS: 1.5
DWS: 1.6
WS: 3.1
WS/40: .114

Measurements:

Jaylen Brown:
Height: 6’6.5
Wingspan: 7’0
Weight: 222

Troy Brown:
Height: 6’7
Wingspan: 6’10.5
Weight: 210

Cal went 23-11, 12-6 in the pac 12.

Oregon went 23-13, 10-8 in the pac 12.

Jaylen Brown was almost a full year older than Troy Brown

[ptptpt]

He'll be a good contributor. His intelligence is too high not to be. He will do a lot of other good things but I honestly don't see him as a dependable scorer or shooter. You can never have enough of those. And the Wiz could definitely use another person who can score. He probably will have the Jared Jeffries effect. Good defense. Good passing. Terrible scoring.