The Troy Brown Thread

[truwizfan4evr]

He'll be a good contributor. His intelligence is too high not to be. He will do a lot of other good things but I honestly don't see him as a dependable scorer or shooter. You can never have enough of those. And the Wiz could definitely use another person who can score. He probably will have the Jared Jeffries effect. Good defense. Good passing. Terrible scoring.

that comparison to Jared Jeffries makes me cringe. Let's hope he's a little better than him. I really hope we all wrong. Ernie might be are gm to he decides to retire.

[ptptpt]

He'll be a good contributor. His intelligence is too high not to be. He will do a lot of other good things but I honestly don't see him as a dependable scorer or shooter. You can never have enough of those. And the Wiz could definitely use another person who can score. He probably will have the Jared Jeffries effect. Good defense. Good passing. Terrible scoring.

that comparison to Jared Jeffries makes me cringe. Let's hope he's a little better than him. I really hope we all wrong. Ernie might be are gm to he decides to retire.

I think he will be better than Jeffries was. I was stating effect on the game. He will do a lot of good things but I don't see scoring being his best asset.

[DCZards]

I can't enjoy being a fan if I'm not being somewhat realistic. Every year, it's become more and more important to hit the 3. You have to be great at something else if you don't have a reliable 3 point shot. What can he be great at? Some folks are talking bravely about his defensive potential, but what's special about his defense. He's got decent athleticism but nothing special. He's got decent length but nothing special. The scouting report said he can be a good team defender but not a shut-down type of defender. I mean... he can be good at a bunch of things, but he is going to need the 3 point shot, imo. Hopefully, it comes around quickly.

Young players often improve their 3 pt shooting. Otto Porter shot .226 from 3 his freshman year. Andre Igoudala, who Brown is being compared to, shot .274% from 3 during his two-years in college and he's managed to have a pretty good NBA career.

But the other point you make is the important one. If Brown can be "good at a bunch of things" (in other words the versatility he's said to possess) AND make the 3 pt shot...that's a good thing for the Zards.

[truwizfan4evr]

I can't enjoy being a fan if I'm not being somewhat realistic. Every year, it's become more and more important to hit the 3. You have to be great at something else if you don't have a reliable 3 point shot. What can he be great at? Some folks are talking bravely about his defensive potential, but what's special about his defense. He's got decent athleticism but nothing special. He's got decent length but nothing special. The scouting report said he can be a good team defender but not a shut-down type of defender. I mean... he can be good at a bunch of things, but he is going to need the 3 point shot, imo. Hopefully, it comes around quickly.

Young players often improve their 3 pt shooting. Otto Porter shot .226 from 3 his freshman year.

But the other point you make is the important one. If Brown can be "good at a bunch of things" (in other words the versatility he's said to possess) and make the 3 pt shot...that's a good thing for the Zards.

Ariza was trash in UCLA shot 23% from three and 50% from the line and he became a good 3 point shooter in the NBA. Mike Conley; shot 30% from deep and 69% from the line (college) he didn't have a great shot but in the NBA he has molded his shot into elite level 40% range. hard work does pay off.

[Ruzious]

I can't enjoy being a fan if I'm not being somewhat realistic. Every year, it's become more and more important to hit the 3. You have to be great at something else if you don't have a reliable 3 point shot. What can he be great at? Some folks are talking bravely about his defensive potential, but what's special about his defense. He's got decent athleticism but nothing special. He's got decent length but nothing special. The scouting report said he can be a good team defender but not a shut-down type of defender. I mean... he can be good at a bunch of things, but he is going to need the 3 point shot, imo. Hopefully, it comes around quickly.

Young players often improve their 3 pt shooting. Otto Porter shot .226 from 3 his freshman year.

But the other point you make is the important one. If Brown can be "good at a bunch of things" (in other words the versatility he's said to possess) and make the 3 pt shot...that's a good thing for the Zards.

Ariza was trash in UCLA shot 23% from three and 50% from the line and he became a good 3 point shooter in the NBA. Mike Conley; shot 30% from deep and 69% from the line (college) he didn't have a great shot but in the NBA he has molded his shot into elite level 40% range. hard work does pay off.

You guys are making obvious points - if some people did something, then somebody else can do it. I mean, just because some people did it doesn't mean others will. And some people said he's too smart not to succeed. Where does that come from? You guys are killing me with some of these comments. Can he become a good player? Of course he can. Who's saying he can't. In 6 months or so, let's evaluate his progress and see how he's done compared to the players picked shortly after him.

[nuposse04]

I'm ok with being salty until summer league where he will tear it up and fill me with jubilant glee only to be crushed under the despair of a wretched rookie campaign. Usually seems how it goes.

I just don't understand why not trade down if he is the guy you WANT.

[Earth2Ted]

So we got ourselves another wing who can’t run, can’t jump, can’t shoot, and projects as on the fringe of our vaunted bench rotation.

What I really don’t get is, Ernie and co really seemed to be working pretty hard on this draft. They could’ve been lazy and had either Williams or Zhaire fall right in their laps, and the athleticism on either one of those guys would have instantly impacted our bench from day one, regardless of any other faults they might have.

[DCZards]

You guys are making obvious points - if some people did something, then somebody else can do it. I mean, just because some people did it doesn't mean others will. And some people said he's too smart not to succeed. Where does that come from? You guys are killing me with some of these comments. Can he become a good player? Of course he can. Who's saying he can't. In 6 months or so, let's evaluate his progress and see how he's done compared to the players picked shortly after him.

Agree that the only way to evaluate Brown is to wait to see how he actually performs. But I don't expect to be able to know for sure in 6 months or so whether Brown is the real deal. It will take more time than that, imo. Need to give the kid until at least his second year in the NBA before making that call.

[truwizfan4evr]

You guys are making obvious points - if some people did something, then somebody else can do it. I mean, just because some people did it doesn't mean others will. And some people said he's too smart not to succeed. Where does that come from? You guys are killing me with some of these comments. Can he become a good player? Of course he can. Who's saying he can't. In 6 months or so, let's evaluate his progress and see how he's done compared to the players picked shortly after him.

Agree that the only way to evaluate Brown is to wait to see how he actually performs. But I don't expect to be able to know for sure in 6 months or so whether Brown is the real deal. It will take more time than that, imo. Need to give the kid until at least his second year in the NBA before making that call.

If he just going to rot on the bench why not send him to the g league? I don't get why most rookies rot on the bench when they can be improving in the g league.

[TGW]

Can Troy Brown be a good player? Yea he can. It won't be the Wizards, though. Can't remember the last time this front office actually developed a young player into a good player who wasn't drafted top 5.

[dangermouse]

Iguodala defense and IQ. But Iggy could jump out of the gym.

This guy is Iguodala with Caron Butler athleticism.

[closg00]

After proclaiming Brown as a “guy that we’ve been targeting,” team officials would not outright declare him to be ready for the rotation.

“That’s going to be up to him,” Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld said Thursday night while speaking with reporters. “We have a veteran team here and we have 10 guys coming back under contract … but the opportunity is always there, and if he earns it, he’ll play. Hopefully, as the season progresses, he’ll get better and better and he’ll get some minutes.”

...and there you have the Wizards MO, vet team always, rookies on the bench. I think this is why Ernie took him, Brooks can concentrate on making another run at it with some new vets after Gortat gets traded.

[Kanyewest]

Can Troy Brown be a good player? Yea he can. It won't be the Wizards, though. Can't remember the last time this front office actually developed a young player into a good player who wasn't drafted top 5.

I guess it depends on your definition of good but I think Kelly Oubre and Satoransky qualify. Booker was OK too.

[Wizardspride]

I'm ok with being salty until summer league where he will tear it up and fill me with jubilant glee only to be crushed under the despair of a wretched rookie campaign. Usually seems how it goes.

I just don't understand why not trade down if he is the guy you WANT.

You're making the assumption they didn't try to trade down.

For all we know they tried but got Intel Brown would be gone by the time their selection came around.

[closg00]

I'm ok with being salty until summer league where he will tear it up and fill me with jubilant glee only to be crushed under the despair of a wretched rookie campaign. Usually seems how it goes.

I just don't understand why not trade down if he is the guy you WANT.

You're making the assumption they didn't try to trade down.

For all we know they tried but got Intel Brown would be gone by the time their selection came around.

Catch-up with the Post coverage, like with Jan Vesely, Ernie fixated and decided early on Brown.

[truwizfan4evr]

Let's say Troy Brown was picked before the 15 pick came around, What other players you believe we would have chosen?

[Gig18]

I'm ok with being salty until summer league where he will tear it up and fill me with jubilant glee only to be crushed under the despair of a wretched rookie campaign. Usually seems how it goes.

I just don't understand why not trade down if he is the guy you WANT.

You're making the assumption they didn't try to trade down.

For all we know they tried but got Intel Brown would be gone by the time their selection came around.

Catch-up with the Post coverage, like with Jan Vesely, Ernie fixated and decided early on Brown.

Not so sure about that. I think they had eyes for Jerome Robinson, but the Clips snagged him WAY before he was expected to go, at 13

[WallToWall]

Does anyone think we couldnt get Brown if we drafted between #16 to #22? We should have been looking to trade down, if so.

[dckingsfan]

Just to be clear, do you have any complaints about Brown's on court play that I should be concerned about? I literally just started watching tape on him, and I came to this board hoping to engage in a conversation about his style of play and how it fits with the pieces we have.

He might be able to contribute the first year. But again, who is he going to take minutes from? Does he play behind Porter/Oubre given his current skill set (lack of handles and still developing his shot). My guess is he doesn't play much his first year - so it will depend on how hard he works. Also, he isn't a "great" athlete - which is one of the things the Wizards really could have used. Solid but not great.

[dckingsfan]

Does anyone think we couldnt get Brown if we drafted between #16 to #22? We should have been looking to trade down, if so.

I think a trade with Atlanta was certainly there. Something like Smith/Meeks or Smith for the swap.