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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall - Merged 

Post#861 » by GameBredAPBT » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:17 am

coldfish wrote:You know how rookies get much less popular after they have played for a year?

It struck me that a lot of the negativity around WCJ is based around the fact that he played at Duke. As a result, people saw him play a LOT more than they saw some of the other people. You get to see their warts and problems, which normally doesn't occur until after a rookie has played for a year.

If the Bulls had drafted a 19 year old 6'10" kid with a 39" vertical who had 3p range, a wide body, rebounding ability and WCJ's stats out of Southwest Missouri State, I suspect that people would be much, much happier with the pick.

I'm not saying that WCJ is a future stud. I just feel that players out of Duke don't have that new car smell that random players do. The more I read about the kid, the more I like him as a pick.

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Post#862 » by realEAST » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:42 am

I think he was best option at our pick, both player and fit, I liked him prior to draft, really have no problem with that pick at #7.

That said, if we could have got JJJ for taking on Parsons, as it seems we could have, my opinion is that it would have been worth it - and that is my main "objection" to Carter.

Only real queation mark I have with him as player isthing that his lateral mobility and agility, and therefore his ability to defend P'n'R at NBA level.

Still he has good motor, he looked mobile to me, so all this can just be overstating - maybe he isn't as fluid as Bagley, JJJy Ayton - but he is agile enough to contain penetrators, especially given good insticts.
Furthermore, there are reports he is actually working on this part of the game - both from phisical standpoint, but also works on his footwork already so I guess that is a great sign.

Lastly, to focus on positives - team player, great character and game awareness, good and willing passer in the post - he and Markk could form a really nice partnership, I see them both fitting well and clicking together - promising shooter as well, got some post moves and relatively soft touch; strong, phisical, great rebounder and talented rim protector. He basically checks all the boxes you'd want from a big man. I think we got starter for a long time.

So yeah, I guess my only objection is - we could have gotten JJJ. But Carter will be very good.

*just a superficial bit about Horford comparisons - Horford was better an athlete at an early age than Carter is, but Al Horford is still able to defend at very high level at 32 with few hard injuries behind him, and was able to play PF earlier in his career even after those injuries that diminished his athletic ability. So if he was brought down to Carter's level of athleticism pretty early in his career, but still managed to have more than successfull career and is still a high level defender, I am getting less and less worried that Carter is going to be very good there, barring some misfortune. That makes me feel better regarding his main questionmark in my eyes.

So, to finish this with a grade as is popular: B+
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Post#863 » by TeamMan » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:21 am

realEAST wrote:...*just a superficial bit about Horford comparisons - Horford was better an athlete at an early age than Carter is, but Al Horford is still able to defend at very high level at 32 with few hard injuries behind him, and was able to play PF earlier in his career even after those injuries that diminished his athletic ability. So if he was brought down to Carter's level of athleticism pretty early in his career, but still managed to have more than successfull career and is still a high level defender, I am getting less and less worried that Carter is going to be very good there, barring some misfortune. That makes me feel better regarding his main questionmark in my eyes.

So, to finish this with a grade as is popular: B+

Don't get why people keep comparing a center to a PF.

Is it because everyone believes that WCJ is actually a PF?

That's what I believe so I voted, "NO!"
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Post#864 » by DxC17 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:26 am

realEAST wrote:I think he was best option at our pick, both player and fit, I liked him prior to draft, really have no problem with that pick at #7.

That said, if we could have got JJJ for taking on Parsons, as it seems we could have, my opinion is that it would have been worth it - and that is my main "objection" to Carter.

Only real queation mark I have with him as player isthing that his lateral mobility and agility, and therefore his ability to defend P'n'R at NBA level.

Still he has good motor, he looked mobile to me, so all this can just be overstating - maybe he isn't as fluid as Bagley, JJJy Ayton - but he is agile enough to contain penetrators, especially given good insticts.
Furthermore, there are reports he is actually working on this part of the game - both from phisical standpoint, but also works on his footwork already so I guess that is a great sign.

Lastly, to focus on positives - team player, great character and game awareness, good and willing passer in the post - he and Markk could form a really nice partnership, I see them both fitting well and clicking together - promising shooter as well, got some post moves and relatively soft touch; strong, phisical, great rebounder and talented rim protector. He basically checks all the boxes you'd want from a big man. I think we got starter for a long time.

So yeah, I guess my only objection is - we could have gotten JJJ. But Carter will be very good.

*just a superficial bit about Horford comparisons - Horford was better an athlete at an early age than Carter is, but Al Horford is still able to defend at very high level at 32 with few hard injuries behind him, and was able to play PF earlier in his career even after those injuries that diminished his athletic ability. So if he was brought down to Carter's level of athleticism pretty early in his career, but still managed to have more than successfull career and is still a high level defender, I am getting less and less worried that Carter is going to be very good there, barring some misfortune. That makes me feel better regarding his main questionmark in my eyes.

So, to finish this with a grade as is popular: B+



Agree with all of this man, using the Horford comps as a negative has bugged me a bit since Horford was one of 3 or so big men effective late in the season this year. Horford isn't blowing anyone away with his on ball defense and lateral quickness, but he plays the game efficiently and intelligently and is able to operate as a free safety type presence on defense. Guys like Draymond are outliers, big men aren't supposed to be able to defend the perimeter. It sounds like WCJ, while limited with quickness, has the IQ and skill to be able to extend his defense out to the perimeter on switches. For bigs that get switched on to smaller guards, the difference between a successful switch and blown assignment is usually IQ and positioning. Taj was very effective on the perimeter by playing smart, keeping straight and in front of his opponent, and anticipating shots. It's more mental than anything. Not worried about WCJ in that regard.

People honestly get way too gassed up on athleticism and don't pay enough attention to how a prospect feels the game. I think we got a real gem in WCJ. He's young, smart, and hungry. Can't teach that **** dude.
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Post#865 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:43 am

coldfish wrote:You know how rookies get much less popular after they have played for a year?

It struck me that a lot of the negativity around WCJ is based around the fact that he played at Duke. As a result, people saw him play a LOT more than they saw some of the other people. You get to see their warts and problems, which normally doesn't occur until after a rookie has played for a year.

If the Bulls had drafted a 19 year old 6'10" kid with a 39" vertical who had 3p range, a wide body, rebounding ability and WCJ's stats out of Southwest Missouri State, I suspect that people would be much, much happier with the pick.

I'm not saying that WCJ is a future stud. I just feel that players out of Duke don't have that new car smell that random players do. The more I read about the kid, the more I like him as a pick.

There's really nothing to support that. If it was in any way true, Jahlil Okafor would never, ever, ever have been talked about as a #1 pick.

And of course people would like him a lot more if he had a 39" vertical. He's probably got like a 28" vertical and he still went 7th.
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Re: Bulls select Wendell Carter Jr 7th overall - Merged 

Post#866 » by coldfish » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:55 am

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coldfish wrote:You know how rookies get much less popular after they have played for a year?

It struck me that a lot of the negativity around WCJ is based around the fact that he played at Duke. As a result, people saw him play a LOT more than they saw some of the other people. You get to see their warts and problems, which normally doesn't occur until after a rookie has played for a year.

If the Bulls had drafted a 19 year old 6'10" kid with a 39" vertical who had 3p range, a wide body, rebounding ability and WCJ's stats out of Southwest Missouri State, I suspect that people would be much, much happier with the pick.

I'm not saying that WCJ is a future stud. I just feel that players out of Duke don't have that new car smell that random players do. The more I read about the kid, the more I like him as a pick.

There's really nothing to support that. If it was in any way true, Jahlil Okafor would never, ever, ever have been talked about as a #1 pick.

And of course people would like him a lot more if he had a 39" vertical. He's probably got like a 28" vertical and he still went 7th.


Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.
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Post#867 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:59 am

coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.

edit - I should know better than to doubt the great coldfish!
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Post#868 » by SHO'NUFF » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:03 am

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coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.



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Post#869 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:09 am

SHO'NUFF wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.



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https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/duke/Bolt/Duke-Blue-Devils-Basketball-Wendell-Carter-vertical-leap-70388030/Amp/

Well I guess I stand corrected, although I buy the accuracy of that video about as much as I do Terrell Owens's 4.4 40.
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Post#870 » by Ralphb07 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:09 am

SHO'NUFF wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.



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So what you’re saying is there’s definitely is a video :lol:
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Post#871 » by Bulls23Nation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:23 am



All aboard the youtube hype train!! WCJ dominated.
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Post#872 » by vvgotgame19 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:38 am

It appears to me WCJ is more athletic than given credit for because his game doesn’t rely on athleticism. Elite? No, but I see a more than capable athlete.
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Post#873 » by 23-7 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:40 am

Leslie Forman wrote:
coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.


All it takes is two secs to Google. Lol
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Post#874 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:46 am

23-7 wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
coldfish wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there literally a video of him jumping 39?

He is a slow, two footed jumper who just barely jumps high enough to get where he wants to go but I think its there. On some of his post move highlights, he is way up there. For whatever reason, he doesn't show it much.

There's definitely no video. You're thinking of someone else. Even guys like Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan don't have 39" verts.


All it takes is two secs to Google. Lol

I actually did and it didn't show up at all.
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Post#875 » by SensiBull » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:00 am

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realEAST wrote:...*just a superficial bit about Horford comparisons - Horford was better an athlete at an early age than Carter is, but Al Horford is still able to defend at very high level at 32 with few hard injuries behind him, and was able to play PF earlier in his career even after those injuries that diminished his athletic ability. So if he was brought down to Carter's level of athleticism pretty early in his career, but still managed to have more than successfull career and is still a high level defender, I am getting less and less worried that Carter is going to be very good there, barring some misfortune. That makes me feel better regarding his main questionmark in my eyes.

So, to finish this with a grade as is popular: B+

Don't get why people keep comparing a center to a PF.

Is it because everyone believes that WCJ is actually a PF?

That's what I believe so I voted, "NO!"


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Post#876 » by realEAST » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:05 am

TeamMan wrote:
realEAST wrote:...*just a superficial bit about Horford comparisons - Horford was better an athlete at an early age than Carter is, but Al Horford is still able to defend at very high level at 32 with few hard injuries behind him, and was able to play PF earlier in his career even after those injuries that diminished his athletic ability. So if he was brought down to Carter's level of athleticism pretty early in his career, but still managed to have more than successfull career and is still a high level defender, I am getting less and less worried that Carter is going to be very good there, barring some misfortune. That makes me feel better regarding his main questionmark in my eyes.

So, to finish this with a grade as is popular: B+

Don't get why people keep comparing a center to a PF.

Is it because everyone believes that WCJ is actually a PF?

That's what I believe so I voted, "NO!"


Because Horford was only starting as PF but essentially played most of the time at and was most effrctive as C.
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Post#877 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:10 am

These Horford comparisons have always irked me not just because they're so wildly inaccurate but because the very same draft had a guy way more similar to him in Jaren Jackson. It was weird how Jackson was never really called the "next" anything throughout the draft process.
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Post#878 » by Habs72 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:18 am

Someone just got served :lol: ...
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Post#879 » by fleet » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:32 am

That was the most effortless 39 inch vert ever.
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Post#880 » by 3noD » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:35 am

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:I’m ok with a Nowitzki / Horford frontcourt.

Did you mean Nowitzki / Duncan?


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