Casey's introductory presser

[Snakebites]

What do you expect him to say? "We're ****, so you might as well just go home"...Some people on this board just need to enjoy this for what it is. This isnt the NFL where 20-25 teams have realistic shot to make some serious noise any given season. The NBA is a 5 team league. Always has been, always will be. Detroit obviously isnt one of those 5 and probably never will be one because they will never attract marque FAs. So not signing Leuer/Galloway, not trading for Griffin etc. wasnt going to expedite the process of becoming one of those 5.

This is easily the strangest argument I've ever seen on these forums.

Just because we're on the outside looking in as far as winning a championship and are very likely to be in the foreseeable future doesn't mean bad moves don't matter, doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset if the team is making moves that are bad for the health of the team moving forward, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't want the people running the team to try and build a young core that's in line with the evolution of the game and fun to watch.

If nothing matters why bother with any of this?

People can discuss what they want, but acting like signing Leuer/Galloway hindered this teams ability to compete for a championship over the length of their contracts is just silly. What else would they have done with the money? What were they going to do with the Griffen $ had they not made the deal? This board whines about "financial flexibility"...ok...Financial flexibility to do what exactly? Sign Lebron and Paul George? Or any other top level FA? Or maybe they could of kept Harris and traded him for Leonard this summer and then signed him to a max extension. LOL C'mon...

Overpaying for role players isnt an "SVG thing" its a "The only type of FA that would even consider signing with Detroit is a role player and thats only if hes grossly overpaid" kind of thing. Trust me, Im no fan of SVG, but Stefanski/whoever the **** the GM is is going to have the same exact problems.

Like I said, this is the NBA, there is no parity here. The Pistons, along with 25 or so other teams, are just chum for the sharks. The sooner people accept that and enjoy this for what it is, the better off they will be.

Most of us aren't talking about a championship.

We're talking about making smart moves and trying to build a young core with upside that fits with the modern NBA, rather than an expensive veteran team who's model is years out of date and has little room for improvement. That discussion has merit, and right now the team isn't doing a good job at all.

Those things matter, whether the league as a whole has parity or not. We want a good team that's run in an intelligent way. You don't need to be in an elite market to get that, and the conversation about whether or not you can win a title can't even start until you have that in place.

It just feels like you're arguing with a strawman here.

[DOBSON10]

"We don't need to add any players, we have a good team"... "I guess you can call Ed the GM, if you want to"... I died alittle inside. This guy is completely clueless. He actually believes this team can compete for a Championship as is. It's really just sad.

What do you expect him to say? "We're ****, so you might as well just go home"...Some people on this board just need to enjoy this for what it is. This isnt the NFL where 20-25 teams have realistic shot to make some serious noise any given season. The NBA is a 5 team league. Always has been, always will be. Detroit obviously isnt one of those 5 and probably never will be one because they will never attract marque FAs. So not signing Leuer/Galloway, not trading for Griffin etc. wasnt going to expedite the process of becoming one of those 5.

I expect him to say what every other intelligent Owner/Management person in the NBA says "We're always looking to get better". I expect him to be honest and say that the team needs to improve. I expect him to know this team isn't good enough, no, he doesn't need to say "This team sucks", but the problem is, he does believe this team is set. The local media has been saying this since the season ended, he believes this team has what it takes to compete. It's the real reason we don't have a General Manager, because he won't hire anyone that wants to come here and change the roster. And it's a mistake, because this current roster has no upside, and can't compete, even in the weaker Conference. Again, if a younger, better Blake Griffin, with Chris Paul, & DeAndre Jordan can't compete, what makes him think Blake can lead this team with Drummond, who is basically the same player as Jordan, only slightly worse, and Jackson, who isn't even close to as good as CP3. The guy is going forward with a plan doomed to fail, and it's just pushing back what needs to be done another 2-3 years, when he inevitably realizes this team can't compete and has to start over. He's delusional and as a fan, it's depressing knowing that rebuilding takes a couple years and we're taking a couple more meaningless seasons to even start that process because this moron thinks this team is good.

Now, let's say for example that your parity theory is 100% true and I take it at face value, which to a large degree I already do. I'm still not going to just sit back and "enjoy it for what it is". This team is not fun to watch, there are some bad teams that at least have some upside with young players, that are fun to watch. This team is boring, overpaid, with no young potential stars, has no cap and is just good enough to not get Top 5-10 Picks. It's the definition of mediocrity and mismanagement, there is no light at the end of the tunnel because this guy thinks he's already seeing the light and it's not possible for me to enjoy that.

That said, let's look at Golden State. Golden State is not a perennial power that's been a contender for 10-20 years, they were a bad team for a long time. They hit on a couple Draft Picks (Curry, Klay, Draymond) and now they're in that Top 5. Oklahoma City was not a perennial power that's been contending forever, they hit on a couple Draft Picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka) and they were in the Top 5 for a minute. Cleveland, do I even need to mention what they were before LeBron? Philadelphia, what have they been since Iverson left? New Orleans and Milwaukee have a shot to get into that Top 5 because of Davis/Giannis. It's certainly not easy, but it's not impossible. And the only way to get Picks that could land players like that is to rebuild. Not spend another 2-3 years trying to compete with a roster that just simply can't.

[Spider156]

"We don't need to add any players, we have a good team"... "I guess you can call Ed the GM, if you want to"... I died alittle inside. This guy is completely clueless. He actually believes this team can compete for a Championship as is. It's really just sad.

What do you expect him to say? "We're ****, so you might as well just go home"...Some people on this board just need to enjoy this for what it is. This isnt the NFL where 20-25 teams have realistic shot to make some serious noise any given season. The NBA is a 5 team league. Always has been, always will be. Detroit obviously isnt one of those 5 and probably never will be one because they will never attract marque FAs. So not signing Leuer/Galloway, not trading for Griffin etc. wasnt going to expedite the process of becoming one of those 5.

I expect him to say what every other intelligent Owner/Management person in the NBA says "We're always looking to get better". I expect him to be honest and say that the team needs to improve. I expect him to know this team isn't good enough, no, he doesn't need to say "This team sucks", but the problem is, he does believe this team is set. The local media has been saying this since the season ended, he believes this team has what it takes to compete. It's the real reason we don't have a General Manager, because he won't hire anyone that wants to come here and change the roster. And it's a mistake, because this current roster has no upside, and can't compete, even in the weaker Conference. Again, if a younger, better Blake Griffin, with Chris Paul, & DeAndre Jordan can't compete, what makes him think Blake can lead this team with Drummond, who is basically the same player as Jordan, only slightly worse, and Jackson, who isn't even close to as good as CP3. The guy is going forward with a plan doomed to fail, and it's just pushing back what needs to be done another 2-3 years, when he inevitably realizes this team can't compete and has to start over. He's delusional and as a fan, it's depressing knowing that rebuilding takes a couple years and we're taking a couple more meaningless seasons to even start that process because this moron thinks this team is good.

Now, let's say for example that your parity theory is 100% true and I take it at face value, which to a large degree I already do. I'm still not going to just sit back and "enjoy it for what it is". This team is not fun to watch, there are some bad teams that at least have some upside with young players, that are fun to watch. This team is boring, overpaid, with no young potential stars, has no cap and is just good enough to not get Top 5-10 Picks. It's the definition of mediocrity and mismanagement, there is no light at the end of the tunnel because this guy thinks he's already seeing the light and it's not possible for me to enjoy that.

That said, let's look at Golden State. Golden State is not a perennial power that's been a contender for 10-20 years, they were a bad team for a long time. They hit on a couple Draft Picks (Curry, Klay, Draymond) and now they're in that Top 5. Oklahoma City was not a perennial power that's been contending forever, they hit on a couple Draft Picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka) and they were in the Top 5 for a minute. Cleveland, do I even need to mention what they were before LeBron? Philadelphia, what have they been since Iverson left? New Orleans and Milwaukee have a shot to get into that Top 5 because of Davis/Giannis. It's certainly not easy, but it's not impossible. And the only way to get Picks that could land players like that is to rebuild. Not spend another 2-3 years trying to compete with a roster that just simply can't.

Troll

[DOBSON10]

Troll

Lmao... What about that post was even remotely trolling?

[ByeByeDre]

I’m okay with Casey talking all that jibberish as long as (1) we don’t sign anyone else beyond 2020, (2) if/when it goes to crap they will dump Griffin and Drummond for shorter deals, and (3) as that happens, he plays the youth.

I pretty much expected him to say all that nonsense at the presser, after all, they are in a business and part of that business is selling tickets. Let’s hope they roll with the punches a lot better than the past two years. Van Gundy ran hot until 7/7/16 - the day he sunk $40 million into Leuer, and then the next day signing Boban. From there it has been a total dumpster fire......

[Manocad]

This is easily the strangest argument I've ever seen on these forums.

Just because we're on the outside looking in as far as winning a championship and are very likely to be in the foreseeable future doesn't mean bad moves don't matter, doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset if the team is making moves that are bad for the health of the team moving forward, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't want the people running the team to try and build a young core that's in line with the evolution of the game and fun to watch.

If nothing matters why bother with any of this?

People can discuss what they want, but acting like signing Leuer/Galloway hindered this teams ability to compete for a championship over the length of their contracts is just silly. What else would they have done with the money? What were they going to do with the Griffen $ had they not made the deal? This board whines about "financial flexibility"...ok...Financial flexibility to do what exactly? Sign Lebron and Paul George? Or any other top level FA? Or maybe they could of kept Harris and traded him for Leonard this summer and then signed him to a max extension. LOL C'mon...

Overpaying for role players isnt an "SVG thing" its a "The only type of FA that would even consider signing with Detroit is a role player and thats only if hes grossly overpaid" kind of thing. Trust me, Im no fan of SVG, but Stefanski/whoever the **** the GM is is going to have the same exact problems.

Like I said, this is the NBA, there is no parity here. The Pistons, along with 25 or so other teams, are just chum for the sharks. The sooner people accept that and enjoy this for what it is, the better off they will be.

Most of us aren't talking about a championship.

We're talking about making smart moves and trying to build a young core with upside that fits with the modern NBA, rather than an expensive veteran team who's model is years out of date and has little room for improvement. That discussion has merit, and right now the team isn't doing a good job at all.

Those things matter, whether the league as a whole has parity or not. We want a good team that's run in an intelligent way. You don't need to be in an elite market to get that, and the conversation about whether or not you can win a title can't even start until you have that in place.

It just feels like you're arguing with a strawman here.

Respect!


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