—I think Pat Bev has real trade value from a contender. Lou too. Any serious offer involving 1st round picks under #20 or for a young forward prospect has to be seriously considered. I'm a big fan of both, but going forward, you can't build a 21st century contender around guys who are 6-foot even who are not named Chris Paul [or even Darren Collison]--who have the virtue of being true PGs.
—I think Austin has a future in this league--probably as OG says, as an MLE guy. But not with the Clippers. I don't think we'll get real value for him, although we might be able to get a forward from some team with an overstock at the 3 or 4 for him. Problem is, nobody's gonna part with a 3-and-D wing. The whole league wants the same thing. At best, we get a prospect who hasn't turned the corner yet [and perhaps never will], like maybe a Jerami Grant type.
—Milos has to be bought out for his $2.1M. He's simply not an NBA player.
—I'm not a Sindarius believer, although I'd like to see his 3-point shot before I gave him the gate. If he can ever be a reliable 3-point shooter, he's going to stay in the league a long time.
—I hate Jawun's height, but I love how he brings the ball up and gets the offense initiated with 20 seconds left on the clock. Pesky defender too, love his motor. But unless he develops a shot, he's not long for the league.
—Not a Ty Wallace believer either. He's supposed to be some sort of PG, but his ratio of 71 assists to 46 turnovers was abominable, and not only did he shoot only 25% from distance with the big club, he was equally crap in G-League.
—I like CJ because he can actually shoot the 3 [only 28% with the big club but 40% in 115 G-League games]. But at 28, there's no future there. He makes the team only as a small ball [6'5"] reserve forward and only because we are so thin at the 3. There's a reason WeJo kept getting second, third and fifth chances every year.
—Avery Bradley is of course gone. I'm having trouble coming up with a S&T scenario for him. His salary is off our books, and the classic S&T is taking back someone else's garbage along with a pick but we don't really have room under the cap to add more salary.
My $.02, anyway. And a word of caution: Lou and Austin and even Pat [a veteran of 11 whole games with the Clippers] are the team's leaders. After the futility of the Sterling years, one lesson I took away is that you can't just throw a bunch of kids into the deep end of the pool without veteran leadership and expect them to figure it all out on their own. You just can't deal Pat Bev or even Austin away for only marginal gain. A team--an organization--is a living, organic entity, not robots, not NBA 2K.
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MartinToVaught wrote:Thing is, I don't see how any of this changes as long as we have both Doc and Austin. We need to move on from at least one of them, and since we already extended Doc, that means it's time to trade Austin.
unfortunately, I think this is the the truth at this point. I am not holding my breath but I am going to stay open minded about Austin developing his game further. but the #1 reason for defending Austin was that he was the only viable "youth" with potential at guard. now we have Shai and Jerome. Austin may really improve as OG mentioned, and he may still outplay the younger kids to certain degree, but no way he can ever PG ahead of Shai once he gets the feel for the NBA game, which I don't think it will take more than a few games. he may not have the shot, but he maybe the truest PG in the whole draft. as for Jerome, Austin may outplay him as a SG and stay that way if he can develop further, but Austin was a bit of a headcase, uncoachable at Duke. he failed at his first stop in NBA, a team that drafted him in first round and invested in him. it took his dad to provide the comfort zone for him to break out of his shell.
I understand that it may not be fair to the kid. but Austin has made more money than Gary Grant, Terry Dehere, Darrick Martin ever did. is Austin a player at their level? I dunno. what I do know is that thanks to today's NBA economics, he got paid at tender age of what, 25 still? he is set for life, as long he he spends his money wisely. on the other hand, we have real youth on our side, even with Sindarius and Evans who are both still younger than Austin and have at least a potential to be solid rotational players going forward. this is without even considering the vets, if Pat and Lou still remain on the roster. ( I am convinced at this point that opting in was merely to cash in that 2 mil for MIlos)
ehhhhh f it.
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Neddy wrote:MartinToVaught wrote:Thing is, I don't see how any of this changes as long as we have both Doc and Austin. We need to move on from at least one of them, and since we already extended Doc, that means it's time to trade Austin.
unfortunately, I think this is the the truth at this point. I am not holding my breath but I am going to stay open minded about Austin developing his game further. but the #1 reason for defending Austin was that he was the only viable "youth" with potential at guard. now we have Shai and Jerome. Austin may really improve as OG mentioned, and he may still outplay the younger kids to certain degree, but no way he can ever PG ahead of Shai once he gets the feel for the NBA game, which I don't think it will take more than a few games. he may not have the shot, but he maybe the truest PG in the whole draft. as for Jerome, Austin may outplay him as a SG and stay that way if he can develop further, but Austin was a bit of a headcase, uncoachable at Duke. he failed at his first stop in NBA, a team that drafted him in first round and invested in him. it took his dad to provide the comfort zone for him to break out of his shell.
I understand that it may not be fair to the kid. but Austin has made more money than Gary Grant, Terry Dehere, Darrick Martin ever did. is Austin a player at their level? I dunno. what I do know is that thanks to today's NBA economics, he got paid at tender age of what, 25 still? he is set for life, as long he he spends his money wisely. on the other hand, we have real youth on our side, even with Sindarius and Evans who are both still younger than Austin and have at least a potential to be solid rotational players going forward. this is without even considering the vets, if Pat and Lou still remain on the roster. ( I am convinced at this point that opting in was merely to cash in that 2 mil for MIlos)
It may come as a shock to certain people, but I agree with all of the above* and have indeed been saying so. Austin's time was supposed to be 2017, taking the starting job from JJ. But Chris left, the whole thing went to shite, injuries up the wazoo, and Austin once again had to play either out of position or without a genuine PG except when Milos was on the floor.
But it's 2018, with the org's future tied to a couple of 21-yr-olds. As a matter of fact, Jerome Robinson's expected trajectory is exactly the same as Austin's, a better JJ. The die is cast. We don't "need" to move on from Austin, except that with this latest draft, we already have.
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*Except about Sindarius and Jawun. I do not expect either of them to be even as good as Austin is now and wouldn't invest much to find out.

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I don't think we'll trade the new rookies or Lou. Everyone else is a candidate.
Beverly, Austin, and Milos could definitely be used in a trade with a team looking for a guard, and all are valuable pieces and on expiring, not so expensive contracts. Heck, Beverly and Austin could land you a late 1st rounder before the trade deadline.
Beverly, Austin, and Milos could definitely be used in a trade with a team looking for a guard, and all are valuable pieces and on expiring, not so expensive contracts. Heck, Beverly and Austin could land you a late 1st rounder before the trade deadline.
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Yah, Bradley's definitely gotta be let go, I just don't see any sense in keeping him. And if there's anything of value to be had for Austin, him too. I just don't like the way his game is evolving, he's improving at some stuff and would definitely be useful for a lot of teams, but he's not the kind of guy I want to keep going forward.
Lou should be traded for the maximum value possible as soon as the opportunity arises, so probably next year. Bev, if there's a good offer for him, I let him go too, but he's the kind of guy I'd like to have around the team anytime. So I'm cool with keeping him long term.
Sindarius and Evans, we should keep as third stringers and see how they evolve. If there's a place for Ty in the team, him too, if not, whatever. Priority should be to develop both of the rookies, the rest is secondary.
Lou should be traded for the maximum value possible as soon as the opportunity arises, so probably next year. Bev, if there's a good offer for him, I let him go too, but he's the kind of guy I'd like to have around the team anytime. So I'm cool with keeping him long term.
Sindarius and Evans, we should keep as third stringers and see how they evolve. If there's a place for Ty in the team, him too, if not, whatever. Priority should be to develop both of the rookies, the rest is secondary.
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Shai, Lou, and Jerome Robinson as the mains. Sindarious, Wallace, and Evans off the bench. Sin could even play some SF as well
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Clemenza wrote:Shai, Lou, and Jerome Robinson as the mains. Sindarious, Wallace, and Evans off the bench. Sin could even play some SF as well
I agree with this. I think it's fine if Beverly gets moved. He'd be nice to have, but he's about to be on the wrong side of 30, just came off a major injury, and has historically missed ~20+ games. That's pretty much how I feel about Milos too. We may as well start building with a young roster.
I think we probably end up keeping Beverly and Austin for most or all of the season though.
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So maybe they're thinking they could use Bradley for a trade asset?
Don't think the Spurs would be interested in a potential trade for KL.
Now you have to buy out Teodosic too?
Don't think the Spurs would be interested in a potential trade for KL.
Now you have to buy out Teodosic too?
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Whoever we don’t want send for Butler.
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