Bonds Breaks the record

[ClassicJack]

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How is that reaching? What am I reaching at anyway? I only called it like I saw it man. He did tap his kids hand when he got to the plate sure but I always remember the joy McGuire showed and how he snatched his son up and looked to want to share in the joy with him. I guess that seemed more like the type of reaction I would expect for a father to have with his son after a moment like that. I don't mean to judge him but when I saw it play out in real time my first thought was why doesn't he hug his son. Thats what most fathers would do don't you think?

So because he didn't embrace his son in the way you thought he should not only is he a roid user but a jack hole of a dad too. Nevermind the fact that we've been seeing him embrace his son(arguably hide behind his love for his son) just like McGwire since he started his steroid enhanced homerun barrage.

I think he hugged one daughter longer than the other too. Let's burn him.

The vitriol for this guy is just so out of wack with the actual "sins" he committed against the game. It's actually disturbing.

[trwi7]

Anybody want to buy a mint condition rookie card of Bonds from me?

[ReasonablySober]

Cool. I'm glad he got the record. It's an amazing accomplishment but he won't ever get the recognition he deserves.

To be honest I've always been indifferent about the HR chase yet I'm as big a baseball purist as you'll find.

Most people have heard, "if you ain't cheating, then you ain't trying".

From what I've heard from great uncles and grandparents that played professional ball, that was the mantra. The only difference is now you have the internet and mass media.

I'm not saying that Aaron ever cheated; no way am I saying that. I'm just saying that it's been apart of the game long before Bonds ever picked up a bat.

Then again, who the hell knows what Barry did or what effect it had on the balls he hit?

I'm not fond of defending him. I'm not a fan, personally. But hitting a HR is more than strength and I can certainly appreciate him and the career he's had. So can most ball players, I believe. While the fans cry foul, you have guys marvel at how someone that sees so few pitches hit them out at such a high rate. Bonds is amazing with a bat. Like I said, I can appreciate it.

[humanrefutation]

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So because he didn't embrace his son in the way you thought he should not only is he a roid user but a jack hole of a dad too. Nevermind the fact that we've been seeing him embrace his son(arguably hide behind his love for his son) just like McGwire since he started his steroid enhanced homerun barrage.

I think he hugged one daughter longer than the other too. Let's burn him.

The vitriol for this guy is just so out of wack with the actual "sins" he committed against the game. It's actually disturbing.

I absolutely agree with you. When he hit 755, he carried his son while they embraced all the way back to the dugout. It would've been kind've corny for him to do it again.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Cool. I'm glad he got the record. It's an amazing accomplishment but he won't ever get the recognition he deserves.

To be honest I've always been indifferent about the HR chase yet I'm as big a baseball purist as you'll find.

Most people have heard, "if you ain't cheating, then you ain't trying".

From what I've heard from great uncles and grandparents that played professional ball, that was the mantra. The only difference is now you have the internet and mass media.

I'm not saying that Aaron ever cheated; no way am I saying that. I'm just saying that it's been apart of the game long before Bonds ever picked up a bat.

Then again, who the hell knows what Barry did or what effect it had on the balls he hit?

I'm not fond of defending him. I'm not a fan, personally. But hitting a HR is more than strength and I can certainly appreciate him and the career he's had. So can most ball players, I believe. While the fans cry foul, you have guys marvel at how someone that sees so few pitches hit them out at such a high rate. Bonds is amazing with a bat. Like I said, I can appreciate it.

I agree 100%. Well said.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Anybody want to buy a mint condition rookie card of Bonds from me?


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That's messed up, man. On a couple of different levels.

[bigkurty]

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I absolutely agree with you. When he hit 755, he carried his son while they embraced all the way back to the dugout. It would've been kind've corny for him to do it again.

Sorry I didn't see that one. I just gave my gut reaction about how I felt about this one in real time. And when it initially took place it was from a different camera angle (from behind the son) where you couldn't even notice bonds touch his sons hand so it really looked like he just ignored him. I don't claim to say whats the right and wrong way to have a relationship with your family but I just gave me a gut reaction to what I initially saw and Ace Villa obviously had similar thoughts initially.

BTW Classicjack, he is a Jack hole of a dad. He had a mistress for 9 years, he used performance enhancing drugs (oh but not knowingly, thats right I forgot cause don't we all take drugs and rub **** on our body without knowing what it is? :End sarcasm:), has a crony in jail for him since he refuses to testify against him in his ongoing perjury case, has been a jag to everyone practically, is self centered, and is not a great role model. Sure he is a great baseball player (one of the best ever even) but after all that other stuff, I would hardly consider him in the running for any father of the year awards. I also don't think he deserves any sympathy for my and most of America's supposed Vitriol for him either. He brought most of his problems on himself is how I view it.

[Comet]

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Lock him up in prison??? You are nuts. What, should the government lock up every professional wrestler as well? So what if he took steroids, half the league from 1990-2003 did as well, and that does not exclude many of the pitchers in that era.

Think about it, it could be worse. Someone who isn't one of the 5 best players of all time (steroids or no steroids) could have broken the all-time MLB HR record. No matter what you think of the guy personally, you can't deny Bond belongs at or near the top of the list of all-time greats.

He had to steroids just so he could become a great player.

He denies taking steroids. If he's exposed, then he could (and should) be sent to prison for perjury.

[ReasonablySober]

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He had to steroids just so he could become a great player.

He won 3 MVP's early in the 90s. What the hell are you talking about?

[Comet]

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He won 3 MVP's early in the 90s. What the hell are you talking about?

I meant like a great, great, great player who would break the record.

[ReasonablySober]

I remember reading this a while ago.

My issue is the basic premise that steroids made him bigger. He was a 200 lb player prior to '99, and 230 lbs when he started hitting jacks at a historic rate.

You still have to actually lift the weights. You have to put in the time in the gym. Say he never did anything more than eat healthy, take allowed supplements and work out like a mad-man. Is it totally inconceivable that he still would have filled out his frame the way he did?

Bonds had as much natural ability as anyone to ever play the game. If he naturally put on 25 lbs, with his new found strength coupled with his already immense ability, does anyone think he still wouldn't have hit all those dongs?

The article above would hold some water with me if Bonds wasn't such an amazing player and athlete prior to the 2000s. But he's a once in a lifetime type player. Even without steroids, the amount of time he put it the weightroom could have lead to the same result we witnessed last night.

[THE2ndComing.AI]

I remember reading this a while ago.

My issue is the basic premise that steroids made him bigger. He was a 200 lb player prior to '99, and 230 lbs when he started hitting jacks at a historic rate.

You still have to actually lift the weights. You have to put in the time in the gym. Say he never did anything more than eat healthy, take allowed supplements and work out like a mad-man. Is it totally inconceivable that he still would have filled out his frame the way he did?

Bonds had as much natural ability as anyone to ever play the game. If he naturally put on 25 lbs, with his new found strength coupled with his already immense ability, does anyone think he still wouldn't have hit all those dongs?

The article above would hold some water with me if Bonds wasn't such an amazing player and athlete prior to the 2000s. But he's a once in a lifetime type player. Even without steroids, the amount of time he put it the weightroom could have lead to the same result we witnessed last night.

well put....i agree

[Comet]

See, steroids bulk you up a ton. It works for half a decade, then your body starts to fall apart.

I think it's wierd how Barry just goes from skinny to huge in one offseason. He lost all of his speed. He also started putting up unreal stats.

Now, his body is starting to fall apart. He's has lots of knee problems, and even a couple elbow issues. He can barely run.

[ReasonablySober]

Well he's also, what 42? The fact that he can't run well isn't surprising.

As for his bulk, if you lived in the weight room, had a personal chef and took natural supplements you too could put on 25 lbs of muscle fairly quickly.

[humanrefutation]

Well he's also, what 42? The fact that he can't run well isn't surprising.

As for his bulk, if you lived in the weight room, had a personal chef and took natural supplements you too could put on 25 lbs of muscle fairly quickly.

I understand where you're going with this...but it also doesn't explain his head size increasing, the appearance of pimples, the almost immediate hair loss. I think Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada cover more than that.

[Comet]

Well he's also, what 42? The fact that he can't run well isn't surprising.

As for his bulk, if you lived in the weight room, had a personal chef and took natural supplements you too could put on 25 lbs of muscle fairly quickly.

He hasn't been able to run well for years. When he took steroids, he lost his speed.

Who knows, maybe he took steroids, maybe he naturally bulked himself up.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm not doubting he took steroids. The proof is pretty obvious.

I'm just not entirely sure what the effect was. He still had to lift the weight, eat healthy, work out...We're talking about one of the best athletes in the world and maybe the best all-around player to ever put on cleats. I don't think that adding 25-30 lbs would be all that difficult if he were so inclined. Once the weight was on, with his unbelievable eye at the plate it's not surprising that the home runs came.

People act like steroids were the reason he got big. They aren't. They weight lifting was the reason. Now, could he lift more often because of the roids? Probably. But whether he got to 230 lbs in 6 months on roids or a year naturally, he was still going to do it.

[humanrefutation]

I'm not doubting he took steroids. The proof is pretty obvious.

I'm just not entirely sure what the effect was. He still had to lift the weight, eat healthy, work out...We're talking about one of the best athletes in the world and maybe the best all-around player to ever put on cleats. I don't think that adding 25-30 lbs would be all that difficult if he were so inclined. Once the weight was on, with his unbelievable eye at the plate it's not surprising that the home runs came.

People act like steroids were the reason he got big. They aren't. They weight lifting was the reason. Now, could he lift more often because of the roids? Probably. But whether he got to 230 lbs in 6 months on roids or a year naturally, he was still going to do it.

I understand your point completely...but without roids, it was highly unlikely (granted not impossible, but highly unlikely), that his body could've withstood the punishment it would've needed to take to add such a large amount of muscle in such a short period of time.

Granted, he was an outstanding, hall-of-fame caliber baseball player before he took roids. I remember reading somewhere that Bonds would've been at around 660 right now if he was still playing at his career home-run rate, and didn't have the suspicious surge in power later in his career. 660 home runs would've definitely put him in the annals of the elite hall-of-famers. But, he wouldn't have gotten past Ruth or Aaron.

[Comet]

I'm not doubting he took steroids. The proof is pretty obvious.

I'm just not entirely sure what the effect was. He still had to lift the weight, eat healthy, work out...We're talking about one of the best athletes in the world and maybe the best all-around player to ever put on cleats. I don't think that adding 25-30 lbs would be all that difficult if he were so inclined. Once the weight was on, with his unbelievable eye at the plate it's not surprising that the home runs came.

People act like steroids were the reason he got big. They aren't. They weight lifting was the reason. Now, could he lift more often because of the roids? Probably. But whether he got to 230 lbs in 6 months on roids or a year naturally, he was still going to do it.

I probably agree about Bonds lifting weights, but I think he also took steroids.

He was already a great player. But when he saw Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa tearing up baseball, he just had to take steroids so he could break their homeruns records (such as breaking McGwire's single-season record of homeruns). Then, he would eventually break Hank Aaron's all-time homerun record.

He probably would've been a Hall-of-Famer anyway. He took roids to get on top.

He'll probably be in a wheelchair in a few years. He'll also be dealing with heart and liver problems.

[El Duderino]

I'm not doubting he took steroids. The proof is pretty obvious.

I'm just not entirely sure what the effect was. He still had to lift the weight, eat healthy, work out...We're talking about one of the best athletes in the world and maybe the best all-around player to ever put on cleats. I don't think that adding 25-30 lbs would be all that difficult if he were so inclined. Once the weight was on, with his unbelievable eye at the plate it's not surprising that the home runs came.

People act like steroids were the reason he got big. They aren't. They weight lifting was the reason. Now, could he lift more often because of the roids? Probably. But whether he got to 230 lbs in 6 months on roids or a year naturally, he was still going to do it.

You wanna know what the effect was?

Pre-roid use

.290-.300/.600 SLG% hitter

Post-roid use

.328/.863
.370/.799
.341/.749
.362/.812


He put up those pre-roids numbers during what are the prime years for an athlete,then starts taking roids and "magically" his numbers take a dramatic jump at age 37.

It's amazing that some want to question whether steroids helped Bonds performance much when it's so obvious that they did,just as they inflated the numbers of guys like Sosa and McGwire.Athletes don't take steroids for the hell of it,they do it because it makes great athletes even greater athletes.Hell,if roid could help a hack like Brady Anderson hit 50 homers,it sure can help a stud like Bonds.