***The Official Musa Thread***

[Stackey]

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[Ror1997]

yeah last year folks were saying that RHJ would be better served being in the d league how did that work out

What does that have to do with anything? Musa is 19. Of course the GLeague is going to be be serious option for him.

I remember seeing posts about Jarrett Allen having to be sent down to the g league too

**** that g league **** man. its garbage basketball. throw Musa into the water and let him swim or sink. if he sinks, ok g league. if he holds his own, let him stay with the big boys. i need to see what he's about.

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

[dakomish23]

Didn’t come to my team despite my unrealistic hopes, but I’m ecstatic that I’ll be able to watch every game since I’m local.

The variance is high but if he hits that upper ceiling, you will have found a go to guy

[MrDollarBills]

What does that have to do with anything? Musa is 19. Of course the GLeague is going to be be serious option for him.

I remember seeing posts about Jarrett Allen having to be sent down to the g league too

**** that g league **** man. its garbage basketball. throw Musa into the water and let him swim or sink. if he sinks, ok g league. if he holds his own, let him stay with the big boys. i need to see what he's about.

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

[Stackey]

He wrote on facebook how he wants to play for the national team against France(29 June) and Belgium(2 July) but Nets don't like that idea and he will find out will he play in the next couple of hours

Just with google translate

All fans of Bosnia and Herzegovina ...
I would like to briefly clarify the situation. After the NBA draft and exhaustive week I summon the impressions. After the presentation in the team, I was excited at the meeting that I wanted to join the team in Tuzla. I'm already packed with a suitcase. I heard people in the Alliance and had a twice-long talk with Seychelles and I had contact with the selector.

GM's response to the team was that the decision would be made today and that I played in the last season of 84 games, had 5 workout programs in different time zones. Nor did they like that last four months of my 15 years I've never worked on my body and now I have to work hard to get here. In that period I won the gold with the cadets every time with the team and suffered 3 serious injuries.

To all this, I was once again excited to go to BiH. The contract is signed by 1.7 and only then do the medical examinations. The BiH national team is mys because I have been countless times and proved to work. At the words of the team on vacation I strictly wanted to be with the team.

There is nothing more in my hands. The Alliance informed me about it neatly and counted hours to response. No one can put it in my skin and say it's harder or not. I am currently the most difficult.

In addition to the contact with the selector and my invitation to Seychelles I did not receive any calls. Neither do I need it. No one should call me to play for BiH. Whenever a club permits me to be there. Only a club can be an obstacle or a health problem.

I think this is the easiest way to clarify the situation. Great thanks to all Bosnians and Herzegovinas for tremendous support. I really appreciate all the support from your side. How are you waiting for me, I'm waiting for me too.

Sincerely, JANAN

[MrDollarBills]

^^^^it would be best for him to get locked in with the coaches and training staff. As evidenced by the progression of the other young guys on this team, his country's national team will benefit in the long run from having a 21 year old Musa in tip top shape for the Olympics.

[Ror1997]

I remember seeing posts about Jarrett Allen having to be sent down to the g league too

**** that g league **** man. its garbage basketball. throw Musa into the water and let him swim or sink. if he sinks, ok g league. if he holds his own, let him stay with the big boys. i need to see what he's about.

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

My line of thinking is that its the same level of competition hes used to, except now you have more athletic defenders in the league. We've had guys familiar with Musa say he has trouble going up against athletic defenders. Well, the GLeague actually has a good batch of defenders down there. A lot of the guys down there are 3&D wings.

[Paradise]

Keep in mind, Bogie was like 24/25 when he came over here and Dzanan at 18 outplayed and was more efficient at his game than Bogs at 21/22.

[steady]

he's not a project but one is assessing that he will not reach potential til 9-10 years down the road? LOL

They're saying his scoring will definitely have a place on an NBA team, but while he has the potential to be more than just a scorer, for now hes just a scorer.

Agreed, it will take DM a while to become a more well rounded player. But 9-10 years down the road?? That's an extreme timeline by ESPN.

... And I was already annoyed by Fraschilli's comment that these kids from Eastern Europe usually come from really rough backgrounds, and basketball is their only ticket out of that and this explains DM's swagger. when that statement clearly does not apply to DM .

[steady]

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

My line of thinking is that its the same level of competition hes used to, except now you have more athletic defenders in the league. We've had guys familiar with Musa say he has trouble going up against athletic defenders. Well, the GLeague actually has a good batch of defenders down there. A lot of the guys down there are 3&D wings.

One example given of the type of athletic defender Musa has difficulty with is Frank Ntlinkina. Ntilikina is just a very good defender even by NBA standards. So its not yet confirmed to me that he will have difficulty with average NBA defenders.

Edit - of course, he probably will have difficulty adjusting to NBA defenders in the beginning. I'm just saying having trouble with Ntlikina would not by itself warrant getting sent down to G League.

[Paradise]

he's not a project but one is assessing that he will not reach potential til 9-10 years down the road? LOL

They're saying his scoring will definitely have a place on an NBA team, but while he has the potential to be more than just a scorer, for now hes just a scorer.

Agreed, it will take DM a while to become a more well rounded player. But 9-10 years down the road?? That's an extreme timeline by ESPN.

... And I was already annoyed by Fraschilli's comment that these kids from Eastern Europe usually come from really rough backgrounds, and basketball is their only ticket out of that and this explains DM's swagger. when that statement clearly does not apply to DM .

Yeah and I saw he tried to compare to a local kid coming out of the Bronx. Basically comparing the Bronx to the poor areas of Bosnia and Eastern Europe. What a moron.

Luckily, I scouted this class a year ahead so I was fully aware about Musa who was a consensus mid-1st round or late 1st round pick if it wasn't for Bagley and a few reclassified prospects making it a deeper class. He was always in the 1st round mix as a sleeper euro prospect behind Doncic.

He's just as raw as an Anfernee Simons and likely the same long term patience as a guy like Bamba or MPJ when it comes to body improvement and back strength. Musa also has posture issues (hunched back) and his back was questioned previously.

It boils down to the triple H mindset when it comes to these pundits: hype, highlights, hot takes when it comes to how people who aren't professionals scout talent here and overseas.


Btw, this kid was drafted 43rd and is about to sign a $146m max deal to be the franchise star in Denver.

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[Stackey]

^^^^it would be best for him to get locked in with the coaches and training staff. As evidenced by the progression of the other young guys on this team, his country's national team will benefit in the long run from having a 21 year old Musa in tip top shape for the Olympics.

I don't think national team of Bosna and Herzegovina have such ambitions as Olympics. And Musa is super important for that national team, key backcourt player already, they can't really afford to play without him and qualify to anything.

[steady]

He wrote on facebook how he wants to play for the national team against France(29 June) and Belgium(2 July) but Nets don't like that idea and he will find out will he play in the next couple of hours

Just with google translate

All fans of Bosnia and Herzegovina ...
I would like to briefly clarify the situation. After the NBA draft and exhaustive week I summon the impressions. After the presentation in the team, I was excited at the meeting that I wanted to join the team in Tuzla. I'm already packed with a suitcase. I heard people in the Alliance and had a twice-long talk with Seychelles and I had contact with the selector.

GM's response to the team was that the decision would be made today and that I played in the last season of 84 games, had 5 workout programs in different time zones. Nor did they like that last four months of my 15 years I've never worked on my body and now I have to work hard to get here. In that period I won the gold with the cadets every time with the team and suffered 3 serious injuries.

To all this, I was once again excited to go to BiH. The contract is signed by 1.7 and only then do the medical examinations. The BiH national team is mys because I have been countless times and proved to work. At the words of the team on vacation I strictly wanted to be with the team.

There is nothing more in my hands. The Alliance informed me about it neatly and counted hours to response. No one can put it in my skin and say it's harder or not. I am currently the most difficult.

In addition to the contact with the selector and my invitation to Seychelles I did not receive any calls. Neither do I need it. No one should call me to play for BiH. Whenever a club permits me to be there. Only a club can be an obstacle or a health problem.

I think this is the easiest way to clarify the situation. Great thanks to all Bosnians and Herzegovinas for tremendous support. I really appreciate all the support from your side. How are you waiting for me, I'm waiting for me too.

Sincerely, JANAN

Marks' discussion with Djanan is not a surprise at all given what we know about the seriousness with which the Nets' performance team treats the physical conditioning and safety of their players. I don't think Djanan will be prevented from playing for BH in the future. Mozgov and Bojan both played for their national teams.

But the intense schedule Djanan has had leading up to the draft presents a particular worry, and I would not be surprised if they had Djanan skip BOTH Summer League and the qualifiers, and had him just rest and work on his conditioning.

The Nets' performance team has an unusual amount of influence on the team. You will come to appreciate it in time, but it can be frustrating sometimes too.

[Stackey]

A clearer version with some additional explanations in brackets:

To all fans of Bosnia and Herzegovina...

I would like to in short explain this situation. After the NBA draft and exhausting week I am summing up
impressions.

After I was presented in the team, on the meeting I was very clear that I want to join (national) team in Tuzla. I already had my suitcase packed.

I was in contact with the Bosnian basketball association, I had two long conversations with Sejo Bukva(one of the key man in the Bosnian basketball association) and I also had a communication with the coach.

GM of my club responded that they will decide today and that I played 84 games in the last season, and that I had 5 workouts in the different time zones. They also didn't like that in the last 4 summers, from the age of 15, I didn't work on my body and now I will here have to compensate that with a hard work. In that period, from the time when I won the gold with the Under 16 team I always played for the national team and suffered three serious injuries.

Still, I was inexorable to travel in Bosnia. I will sign a contract on July 1 and only then they will test my medical condition(he wants to say that in the meantime he could get injured with the national team).

I care about national team of Bosnia and I proved that in countless times. On sugestions about rest I was very clear that I want to be with the national team. There is nothing more I could do. I informed Bosnian basketball association about my situation, and now I'm waiting for response(will Nets let him join national team). Nobody can see things from my perspective and judge is it harder to him or me. It's the hardest for me. Etc., etc.

[Prokorov]

I remember seeing posts about Jarrett Allen having to be sent down to the g league too

**** that g league **** man. its garbage basketball. throw Musa into the water and let him swim or sink. if he sinks, ok g league. if he holds his own, let him stay with the big boys. i need to see what he's about.

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

guys a low level late round prospect at 19 years old. I think the expectation should be "hopefully in 2-3 years he is still with the team and maybe in the rotation" i think G-league for this guy is a must. get him playing vs NBA size. if somepoin during the season he seems ready to get an audition go for it. otherwise we have young guys further along who need those minutes.

I dont think Jarrett Allen is a good comparison. Allen was also 19, but he was a lotteyr talent who fell but still go taken early 20s. Differemt kind of prospect all together. Gotta view this guy more like a chris mccullough or toko shenglia type

[Ror1997]

he's not a project but one is assessing that he will not reach potential til 9-10 years down the road? LOL

They're saying his scoring will definitely have a place on an NBA team, but while he has the potential to be more than just a scorer, for now hes just a scorer.

Agreed, it will take DM a while to become a more well rounded player. But 9-10 years down the road?? That's an extreme timeline by ESPN.

... And I was already annoyed by Fraschilli's comment that these kids from Eastern Europe usually come from really rough backgrounds, and basketball is their only ticket out of that and this explains DM's swagger. when that statement clearly does not apply to DM .

Yeah and also like what Paradise said about his comments about the Bronx.... Dude probably lived in a bubble his whole life

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I literally said that in my original post.

And sink or swim is an awful mentality to have. You dont just throw a guy into the fire and then blame him if hes not prepared. That's how you stunt players development.

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

guys a low level late round prospect at 19 years old. I think the expectation should be "hopefully in 2-3 years he is still with the team and maybe in the rotation" i think G-league for this guy is a must. get him playing vs NBA size. if somepoin during the season he seems ready to get an audition go for it. otherwise we have young guys further along who need those minutes.

I dont think Jarrett Allen is a good comparison. Allen was also 19, but he was a lotteyr talent who fell but still go taken early 20s. Differemt kind of prospect all together. Gotta view this guy more like a chris mccullough or toko shenglia type

Musa pretty much fell as well because teams wanted to stash him instead of bringing him over right away if I'm not mistaken.

[Prokorov]

You think that I'd blame Musa for not being able to hang in there right away versus NBA competition? he's 19 years old. I literally scream at folks on here to have patience for every young player on the roster.

I want to see what he does versus NBA competition to gauge where he's at right now. If he canhang, great? if not, he'll need more time. Failure isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

guys a low level late round prospect at 19 years old. I think the expectation should be "hopefully in 2-3 years he is still with the team and maybe in the rotation" i think G-league for this guy is a must. get him playing vs NBA size. if somepoin during the season he seems ready to get an audition go for it. otherwise we have young guys further along who need those minutes.

I dont think Jarrett Allen is a good comparison. Allen was also 19, but he was a lotteyr talent who fell but still go taken early 20s. Differemt kind of prospect all together. Gotta view this guy more like a chris mccullough or toko shenglia type

Musa pretty much fell as well because teams wanted to stash him instead of bringing him over right away if I'm not mistaken.

he didnt fall that far if he did. he wasnt a mid lotto projection like allen was in the 9-10 range.

[MGrand15]

Toko was drafted 54th. Dreadful comparison.

Anyway, Musa needs to get to Summer League. I'm all for guys playing for their national teams but he's only 19. He needs to develop. Being around our staff is FAR better for that than playing overseas at the moment. The Nets shouldn't think about this. We took a swing on him and let him come to the States this year. He has to buy in.

[steady]

Interesting bit of trivia, which coach who was an Assistant Coach for Nets at the time Petrovic played here, has said he has never seen a player work as hard as Dirk Nowitzki, except For Drazen Petrovic?

Answer: Rick Carlyle whose Mavs just drafted Doncic.