2018 Summer League General Discussion

[NBAchamps2017]

Bamba better start after being the 6th pick. Birch is cool and all... but undrafted GLeague guy versus high lottery pick means you play Bamba next to Isaac.

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

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Bamba better start after being the 6th pick. Birch is cool and all... but undrafted GLeague guy versus high lottery pick means you play Bamba next to Isaac.

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

I’m not a fan of this current management for a lot of reasons. They haven’t made a single move to the roster other than a extremely late low value EP trade for peanuts.

That being said, there is nothing “blockbuster” about any of Orlando’s current assets aside from the possibility of moving AG (which won’t be likely for a while). Vuc has little to no value on the current market for a Center. Fournier is difficult to move contract-wise and against his positive current value to the team as it stands.

As this relates to the summer league thread - Bamba and Isaac should be getting as much time on the court together as possible. Mostly because they are the only two players that will likely be on the team in a few years.

[Furinkazan]

Wonder what the starting lineup will be?

Gotta believe that Bamba and Isaac are locks.

Bamba starting over Vuc????In what universe?

Summer League universe.

oh yeah sry
how did I get here??
must be a druken stupor after astounding 0:3 at World Cup

[tiderulz]

Bamba better start after being the 6th pick. Birch is cool and all... but undrafted GLeague guy versus high lottery pick means you play Bamba next to Isaac.

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

DSJ? why are we still bringing him up? did you look at his year with zero competition for his spot? 31% from 3, 39% from the field, 69% FT. TS 47%, negative OWS/DWS. except for some flashy dunks now and then, he wasnt very good.

[Knightro]

Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Elfrid Payton had nothing to do with the decision to pass on Dennis Smith Jr. Jonathan Isaac was pretty much universally regarded as the better prospect.

As far as Mitchell goes, he went 13th. No one, not even Utah, expected him to be this good. I’m not going to knock on any team for passing up a guy who basically came out of nowhere and had an unexpectedly great season.

[Instincts]

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

DSJ? why are we still bringing him up? did you look at his year with zero competition for his spot? 31% from 3, 39% from the field, 69% FT. TS 47%, negative OWS/DWS. except for some flashy dunks now and then, he wasnt very good.

Really. DSJ didn't nothing I am aware of to dispute that he may be a high usage low efficiency PG. This is still not a player I want to build a team around. Nothing has changed. Even with Isaacs injuries, I still take him 10 out of 10 times over DSJ.

[J_Magic]

I would not trade Fournier and I would keep Vuc if he accepts a backup role. I want Bamba to play 30mpg at Center.

2nd thoughts...I'd only trade Fournier or Vuc if it can get us a point guard that can get our bigs involved in the offense.

[yoyojw17]

I would not trade Fournier and I would keep Vuc if he accepts a backup role. I want Bamba to play 30mpg at Center.

2nd thoughts...I'd only trade Fournier or Vuc if it can get us a point guard that can get our bigs involved in the offense.

Bis is the first on the list to go if given the opportunity. He will do fine.... just somewhere else.

next up.... try and trade vuc... love him ... but if he can net something good or an asset.... it is what it is.

Fournier is closer to the bottom of the list and can be had for only a good price. I like Fournier a lot. and i think he would look great next to a point guard that has his own gravity. Playing as a " clear 2nd or 3rd option" is where you will see the best of fournier shine. If he does go.... "MARIO... the SG Position is all yours" will be my lead in convo for my pitch. haha

[PennytoShaq]

Bamba better start after being the 6th pick. Birch is cool and all... but undrafted GLeague guy versus high lottery pick means you play Bamba next to Isaac.

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

Can you show us where they passed on DSJ because they had Payton? Evidence is against you, since the Magic worked out DSJ twice. Why would they even do that if they “had Payton” and didn’t want a PG? It makes no sense, but I have come to expect that from your posts.

The part about missing out on Mitchell is so ridiculous that I won’t even waste any more time mocking that.

[Skybox]

I think, ultimately, a re-signed AG may be traded later for a bigger name PG (Kemba?). For now, we roll with DJ and ?

Biggest factor to me is that our PG is a sensible, seasoned vet who will take an interest in building up our young bigs. (Think Kevin Costner in "Bull Durham"). Feed them lobs, tell them where to cut, smack em on the ass, etc...maybe G. Hill, Teodesic, P. Mills? not giving up a big asset for this level but maybe a Vuc, 2nds, even Simmons.

[matticus90]

Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

DSJ? why are we still bringing him up? did you look at his year with zero competition for his spot? 31% from 3, 39% from the field, 69% FT. TS 47%, negative OWS/DWS. except for some flashy dunks now and then, he wasnt very good.

He probably gets brought up a lot because rookie campaigns shooting numbers don’t represent a players career. He’s got all the tools to be a difference maker in the future. Isaac could to, the year will tell us where he’s at.

[Driguez]

So it's a total of 3 games, unless we move on correct?

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Absolutely. Even in the regular season lineup, there’s no point to Vuc being on the roster with Bamba being the premiere investment at #6. Assets need to be shuffled around and Vuc is one of them.

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

Can you show us where they passed on DSJ because they had Payton? Evidence is against you, since the Magic worked out DSJ twice. Why would they even do that if they “had Payton” and didn’t want a PG? It makes no sense, but I have come to expect that from your posts.

The part about missing out on Mitchell is so ridiculous that I won’t even waste any more time mocking that.

They didn’t pass on DSJr because of Payton. They passed on DSJr because they value length over any other quantifiable metric and lack the foresight to build a legitimate roster through the draft...

[PennytoShaq]

WeHam will prove incompetent GMs if they will enter the 18-19 season with recycled parts that doesn’t work! Not picking DSJr because of we have Payton???? Missing out on Mitchell because we have Payton???

Bamba just fell in their lap! No brainer here! If they are not capable of pulling blockbuster trade, they are for me incompetent! If they cannot move Vuc, Fournier and Mack this off-season then booo to them!

Can you show us where they passed on DSJ because they had Payton? Evidence is against you, since the Magic worked out DSJ twice. Why would they even do that if they “had Payton” and didn’t want a PG? It makes no sense, but I have come to expect that from your posts.

The part about missing out on Mitchell is so ridiculous that I won’t even waste any more time mocking that.

They didn’t pass on DSJr because of Payton. They passed on DSJr because they value length over any other quantifiable metric and lack the foresight to build a legitimate roster through the draft...

I think they just believed that Isaac and Bamba were the best players available in both drafts and understand that having good assets on a team helps mold a roster. Based on your take, you are assuming that AG, Isaac, and Mo will fail or that the FO won’t trade AG to add another asset down the road.

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Can you show us where they passed on DSJ because they had Payton? Evidence is against you, since the Magic worked out DSJ twice. Why would they even do that if they “had Payton” and didn’t want a PG? It makes no sense, but I have come to expect that from your posts.

The part about missing out on Mitchell is so ridiculous that I won’t even waste any more time mocking that.

They didn’t pass on DSJr because of Payton. They passed on DSJr because they value length over any other quantifiable metric and lack the foresight to build a legitimate roster through the draft...

I think they just believed that Isaac and Bamba were the best players available in both drafts and understand that having good assets on a team helps mold a roster. Based on your take, you are assuming that AG, Isaac, and Mo will fail or that the FO won’t trade AG to add another asset down the road.

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

[PennytoShaq]

They didn’t pass on DSJr because of Payton. They passed on DSJr because they value length over any other quantifiable metric and lack the foresight to build a legitimate roster through the draft...

I think they just believed that Isaac and Bamba were the best players available in both drafts and understand that having good assets on a team helps mold a roster. Based on your take, you are assuming that AG, Isaac, and Mo will fail or that the FO won’t trade AG to add another asset down the road.

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

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I think they just believed that Isaac and Bamba were the best players available in both drafts and understand that having good assets on a team helps mold a roster. Based on your take, you are assuming that AG, Isaac, and Mo will fail or that the FO won’t trade AG to add another asset down the road.

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

Are they looking primarily at the bench then? Fournier provides enough and obviously point guard is the biggest glaring weakness that need an upgrade regardless. All three are the Magic’s best assets, but again, that doesn’t mean it correlates to a successful productive lineup. No one is “walking”, but AG should (most likely to be) traded as not a WeHam guy or a creator offensively.

[PennytoShaq]

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

Are they looking primarily at the bench then? Fournier provides enough and obviously point guard is the biggest glaring weakness that need an upgrade regardless. All three are the Magic’s best assets, but again, that doesn’t mean it correlates to a successful productive lineup. No one is “walking”, but AG should (most likely to be) traded as not a WeHam guy or a creator offensively.

It’s too early to make assumptions on a lineup that we have not seen play. We barely got to see Isaac and AG out there together least year. If the Magic immediately traded AG it would probably be for a guy like Kawhi. Besides that, I think it makes more sense to actually let the guys play on the court for a while and see what it looks like.

[OrlandoNed]

I think they just believed that Isaac and Bamba were the best players available in both drafts and understand that having good assets on a team helps mold a roster. Based on your take, you are assuming that AG, Isaac, and Mo will fail or that the FO won’t trade AG to add another asset down the road.

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

Had a great opportunity to get Young or Doncic. They would of brought a high potential offensive focal point for the team. Can't keep adding bigs in a league where the importance of perimeter play by guards and SFs has been at an all-time high in league history. Needed to sabotage the Dallas/Atlanta trade by trading up with Memphis and poach Young. Having to likely trade Fournier for Parsons, but that would be worth the risk putting ourselves in position to trade up again for Doncic.

[PennytoShaq]

No. I don’t believe AG will work next to Isaac and Bamba in a starting lineup. Like I said before the draft, there isn’t enough offensive production between the three of them for that to sustain.

As far as trading AG? Sure, but as we have correctly guessed the options are limited and the availability is scarce. Shroeder, Bledsoe, B. Knight, etc. aren’t really amazing options IMO. Management will add another asset down the road for some kind of Vuc deal, with whatever value he brings to the table in this market. If they are smart enough to trade AG for multiple picks/prospects they might be able to feild a real workable roster.

Anyone could look at Orlando’s last two drafts and say “they took the best player available”, how that translates on the court is a different story.

Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

Had a great opportunity to get Young or Doncic. They would of brought a high potential offensive focal point for the team. Can't keep adding bigs in a league where the importance of perimeter play by guards and SFs has been at an all-time high in league history. Needed to sabotage the Dallas/Atlanta trade by trading up with Memphis and poach Young. Having to likely trade Fournier for Parsons, but that would be worth the risk putting ourselves in position to trade up again for Doncic.

What was the great opportunity to get Young or Doncic? It would have cost millions to move up to 4 and get Young, a guy that the Magic FO may have had rated lower than Bamba.

If what you are saying is true, why was the #1 pick in the draft a big and not Doncic? And then why did another big in Bagley go right after him?

Also, why is Jokic now getting a max, and Capella most likely will too. Houston, the most progressive offense in the league is rumored to try and fill that position with Deandre Jordan? It seems as if many, many teams all find the 5 sport to be important. And a team like the Magic needs rim protection just as badly as a PG and shooting.