Team Canada Basketball Thread

And1Skip · Post #4741 » by **And1Skip** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:29 am

Topher wrote:
Patman wrote:
TooBad wrote:

Read on Twitter

Dillon Brooks, Chris Boucher and Anthony Bennett randomly decide to be passengers in this guy car? Team Canada really is cheap haha.

Umm... probably Uber.

Wonder what kind of tip he received

Probably normal amount. Brooks is on a min deal, Boucher was on one but is now waived and looking for a job but Bennet is the one that has made like $18m already lol

WellYouKnow · Post #4742 » by **WellYouKnow** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:12 am

hsb · Post #4743 » by **hsb** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:39 am

Man, Barrett and Nembhard scored 39 points on 11/18 shooting.

Canada was letting it fly from three this game.

TooBad · Post #4744 » by **TooBad** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:18 am

And1Skip wrote:
Topher wrote:
Patman wrote:
Umm... probably Uber.

Wonder what kind of tip he received

Probably normal amount. Brooks is on a min deal, Boucher was on one but is now waived and looking for a job but Bennet is the one that has made like $18m already lol

I don't think that guy is uber...he seems to have a connection to team canada judging by his twitter.

Pooh_Jeter · Post #4745 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:08 am

I'm not sure I'd read too much into the rotations and such.

These are exhibition games and China is a weak team. I know in an ideal world the guys who are playing the qualifiers would be playing their regular rotation minutes and building chemistry, but realistically there is no reason to be risking injury or anything like that. It's a boon just to have those guys here and together.

TooBad · Post #4746 » by **TooBad** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:21 am

Pooh_Jeter wrote:I'm not sure I'd read too much into the rotations and such.

These are exhibition games and China is a weak team. I know in an ideal world the guys who are playing the qualifiers would be playing their regular rotation minutes and building chemistry, but realistically there is no reason to be risking injury or anything like that. It's a boon just to have those guys here and together.

It's pretty pathetic that Canada is only rated 4 spots higher than China by Fiba. Its also pathetic that a country with over a billion people and a way greater love basketball than Canada can be so much worse.

slothrop8 · Post #4747 » by **slothrop8** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:27 pm

So RJ Barrett pretty much has to be on the team for the qualifying games right? Seems like he's been one of our best offensive players?

mojo13 · Post #4748 » by **mojo13** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:47 pm

TooBad wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:I'm not sure I'd read too much into the rotations and such.

These are exhibition games and China is a weak team. I know in an ideal world the guys who are playing the qualifiers would be playing their regular rotation minutes and building chemistry, but realistically there is no reason to be risking injury or anything like that. It's a boon just to have those guys here and together.

It's pretty pathetic that Canada is only rated 4 spots higher than China by Fiba. Its also pathetic that a country with over a billion people and a way greater love basketball than Canada can be so much worse.

First that was not Chinas best team. Since they have already qualified for the World Cup they are using this to give exposure to a broad group of players. They split their team and we saw their Blue team.

Second you should learn how the fiba rankings work. They don’t mean much in assessing the quality of a particular team. Just a score for how counties have done over the last 8 years at major tournaments with countries that have an easier path to major tournaments being over ranked. And many Euro countries being under ranked. But yes China still should be better with that population base.

frumble · Post #4749 » by **frumble** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:54 pm

TooBad wrote:

I don't think that guy is uber...he seems to have a connection to team canada judging by his twitter.

Yeah, looks like he is a coach with Van Island U, and VIU probably had a role in helping host the game.

frumble · Post #4750 » by **frumble** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:50 pm

Re the 5th guard spot, Hanlan had better G-league numbers than Best and Keane but, as others have mentioned, it may come down to who is best at manning the point for the roughly 8 MPG when CoJo is off, rather than who is the better overall player.

In any case, I am surprised that Hanlan didn't even get a chance to play in these two exhibition games. Of the 17 on the roster, he is the only one who didn't play (other than CoJo and Birch, who we knew would be unavailable).
Injury? Or coaching staff had already made up their mind?

Re Powell and Olynyk. Yes, I am expecting those two to be very good together, as they were for Canada a few summers ago in the exhibition tour of southern Europe. They showed great chemistry then and will be great to see them together for meaningful games for the first time.

mojo13 · Post #4751 » by **mojo13** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:57 pm

Phil Scrubb was not with the team last night as he was working out with the Wizards and will be with their Summer League team - hopefully that doesn't impact these Qualifiers.
Same re: Khem Birch with the Magic summer league team. And Heslip is supposedly playing with the Grizzlies and I am sure there are others. Since SL doesnt start until a week later - it shouldn't impact our guys (fingers crossed).

Bobby Plump · Post #4752 » by **Bobby Plump** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:42 pm

I question that the team from China was actually the "national team." They played more like a CYO team from Shanghai.

Mirotic12 · Post #4753 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:51 pm

Bobby Plump wrote:I question that the team from China was actually the "national team." They played more like a CYO team from Shanghai.

I think that's some kind of select team or something. I've never even heard of any of those players.

mojo13 · Post #4754 » by **mojo13** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Bobby Plump wrote:I question that the team from China was actually the "national team." They played more like a CYO team from Shanghai.

I think that's some kind of select team or something. I've never even heard of any of those players.

I didn't know you were so versed in Chinese bball players. For those that didn't hear it the first time. China took a larger pool of Qualifier players and split it into two teams. This was their "Blue" team. Since they are already qualified for the World Cup they are trying to get younger players experience. About 5 or 6 guys on the roster Canada played are on their last couple Qualifier rosters. Including their starting PG Qian Wu - who was their leading scorer both nights I think. But even then their Qualifier team might not be the best they could put forward, as they are already qualified. I don't know many Chinese players other than Yi Jianlian and he is on their qualifier team.

I'd put that Chinese roster something akin to our AmeriCup roster last year - likely mostly guys in their 10-40 depth chart chart with maybe a few top ten players. Not a great team, but not a bunch of bush league guys. I wouldn't read too much into those games other than some insight into Canada's rotations and line-ups.

Alpha Mentality · Post #4755 » by **Alpha Mentality** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:13 pm

I just wish all our Canadian NBA players would buy into this program. We could legit compete for a medal at any international event. We have 2 high schoolers as big components of this team right now lol.

Little P · Post #4756 » by **Little P** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:24 pm

How does points forward/ Against work in these qualifiers? I remember in the AmeriCup we had a better +/- than Venezuela and the Virgin Islands but we still didn’t advance.

Mirotic12 · Post #4757 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:56 pm

mojo13 wrote:I didn't know you were so versed in Chinese bball players.

I haven't followed Chinese basketball much the last couple years, but I used to follow it fairly occasionally. Since I don't recognize any of those players, I am guessing it's something like their version of USA select team, or maybe like an under-23 type selection.

Most European teams are using like B national teams combined with under-23 selections for their qualifiers. Australia is doing something similar. But I really don't know what China is doing.

frumble · Post #4758 » by **frumble** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:30 pm

Little P wrote:How does points forward/ Against work in these qualifiers? I remember in the AmeriCup we had a better +/- than Venezuela and the Virgin Islands but we still didn’t advance.

I don't think I've seen anything re what the tiebreakers are for this qualifying tournament specifically, but I suspect they are the same as the general FIBA tiebreaking system:
first head-to-head, then point differential in head-to-head games, then overall point differential.

At AmeriCup 17, it was a 3-way tie among Canada, VI, and Venezuela. All 3 were 1-1 in the head-to-head games, so it went to point differential in those head-to-head games. VI was better than Canada. Canada has lost by a much narrower margin to Argentina than had VI, so our overall point differential was better, but our point differential in the head-to-head games was worse, so VI was awarded 2nd.

On a related note, has anyone seen confirmation of which groups get merged for the second round? Is it A and B in one group and C and D in the other?

And has anyone seen anything re whether all the results from the first round carry through (or do results against the teams that don't progress get dropped)?
(I believe the explanatory video just says something like "results carry through", rather than "all results carry through" or "results except those against the 4th place team carry through", so I think it was a little vague.)

Thanks.

Bobby Plump · Post #4759 » by **Bobby Plump** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:51 pm

The Pacific Rim Basketball Classic was featuring Canada's "B team" with a few NBAers playing limited minutes. No Murray, Wiggins, Joseph, Stauskas, SGA, or Thompson. Olynyk had only a brief cameo in the first game. I swear that it was a Chinese CYO team that they were up against. Not much competition from a country of a billion plus, that has a passionate fan base for basketball.

mojo13 · Post #4760 » by **mojo13** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:15 pm

frumble wrote:
Little P wrote:How does points forward/ Against work in these qualifiers? I remember in the AmeriCup we had a better +/- than Venezuela and the Virgin Islands but we still didn’t advance.

I don't think I've seen anything re what the tiebreakers are for this qualifying tournament specifically, but I suspect they are the same as the general FIBA tiebreaking system:
first head-to-head, then point differential in head-to-head games, then overall point differential.

At AmeriCup 17, it was a 3-way tie among Canada, VI, and Venezuela. All 3 were 1-1 in the head-to-head games, so it went to point differential in those head-to-head games. VI was better than Canada. Canada has lost by a much narrower margin to Argentina than had VI, so our overall point differential was better, but our point differential in the head-to-head games was worse, so VI was awarded 2nd.

On a related note, has anyone seen confirmation of which groups get merged for the second round? Is it A and B in one group and C and D in the other?

And has anyone seen anything re whether all the results from the first round carry through (or do results against the teams that don't progress get dropped)?
(I believe the explanatory video just says something like "results carry through", rather than "all results carry through" or "results except those against the 4th place team carry through", so I think it was a little vague.)

Thanks.

We merge up with the BRA/VEN/Chile group. B and D I believe. All result do carry through to the 2nd round, including the win versus the 4th place team (with point differential) so it helps we beat up on the Bahamas. This had a laughable result in Europe where Slovenia lost a game against Belerus by not trying and freaked the F out afterwards when they found out the results carried over (they honestly didn't know). Good times.

I think we even want to finish second (D2) in this pool (win versus DR but don;t beat them on points) as it gets us Brazil in Sept (in Brazil) with our NBA players. Or would you rather be 1st (D1) and play VEN at home in Sept with our NBA'ers.
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