Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Eli Babak]

Would you do something like Oubre+Gortat for WCS+Jackson? WCS could be that young athletic big and I'm sure he's gonna be a lot cheaper to retain than Oubre. Jackson was pretty trash in his rookie season but I expect him to improve this year. Kings would get a nice fit in Oubre and they could just buyout disgruntled Gortat.

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/FA/Meeks
Brown (trust the kid!)/Jackson + FA
Porter/Morris
WCS/Mahinmi/Smith

Fox/Mason
Bogdanovic/Hield/Shumpert
Oubre/Temple
Bagley/Labissiere
Koufos/Randolph/Giles

(But this could never happen because "we're veteran team" and therefore vets on one year deals will help us more than youth.)

[dckingsfan]

We'd be a legit contender for at least one season.

Losing Brown Jr, the 2019 1st & Sato stings but its a small price to pay IMO. I'd sacrifice two prospects and a role player for an opportunity at accomplishing something very special.

Agreed. And then we could do the complete rebuild the following year. Jettison everyone but Beal and Porter.

Terrible idea IMO. A 1 year rental on a guy that just missed the entire 2017-2018 season due to injury. We would have no depth and still wouldn’t beat the warriors if we even made it that far.

But it would probably start the rebuild - kind of win/win.

[Dat2U]

We'd be a legit contender for at least one season.

Losing Brown Jr, the 2019 1st & Sato stings but its a small price to pay IMO. I'd sacrifice two prospects and a role player for an opportunity at accomplishing something very special.

Agreed. And then we could do the complete rebuild the following year. Jettison everyone but Beal and Porter.

Terrible idea IMO. A 1 year rental on a guy that just missed the entire 2017-2018 season due to injury. We would have no depth and still wouldn’t beat the warriors if we even made it that far.

Because the Warriors are loaded with depth?

They nearly lost to Houston b/c Iggy got hurt.

Of course he would need to pass a physical and be willing to play in DC before agreeing to any deal.

I don't think losing Sato, Brown & a future pick is going to make or break this franchise beyond next season. That die has already been cast... especially according to the folks who anxiously want to blow it all up. So why not push all the marbles in right now?

[dckingsfan]

Agreed. And then we could do the complete rebuild the following year. Jettison everyone but Beal and Porter.

Terrible idea IMO. A 1 year rental on a guy that just missed the entire 2017-2018 season due to injury. We would have no depth and still wouldn’t beat the warriors if we even made it that far.

Because the Warriors are loaded with depth?

They nearly lost to Houston b/c Iggy got hurt.

Of course he would need to pass a physical and be willing to play in DC before agreeing to any deal.

I don't think losing Sato, Brown & a future pick is going to make or break this franchise beyond next season. That die has already been cast... especially according to the folks who anxiously want to blow it all up. So why not push all the marbles in right now?

I'm all in...

[Error Afflalo]

We'd be a legit contender for at least one season.

Losing Brown Jr, the 2019 1st & Sato stings but its a small price to pay IMO. I'd sacrifice two prospects and a role player for an opportunity at accomplishing something very special.

Agreed. And then we could do the complete rebuild the following year. Jettison everyone but Beal and Porter.

Terrible idea IMO. A 1 year rental on a guy that just missed the entire 2017-2018 season due to injury. We would have no depth and still wouldn’t beat the warriors if we even made it that far.

That guy is a top 5 player in the league and well worth the risk.

We have almost no depth now. It's clear that Sato, through no fault of his own, is not in the long-term plans and likely won't be here beyond next season. Brown is an unknown. Oubre is a lot more flash than substance. Mahinmi is untradeable. Smith and Meeks are useless. We're in a really bad spot. Any deal that lands Kawhi without giving up Wall, Beal, or Otto is a massive win (and completely unrealistic since this isn't 2K).

[JAR69]

Would you do something like Oubre+Gortat for WCS+Jackson? WCS could be that young athletic big and I'm sure he's gonna be a lot cheaper to retain than Oubre. Jackson was pretty trash in his rookie season but I expect him to improve this year. Kings would get a nice fit in Oubre and they could just buyout disgruntled Gortat.

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/FA/Meeks
Brown (trust the kid!)/Jackson + FA
Porter/Morris
WCS/Mahinmi/Smith

Fox/Mason
Bogdanovic/Hield/Shumpert
Oubre/Temple
Bagley/Labissiere
Koufos/Randolph/Giles

(But this could never happen because "we're veteran team" and therefore vets on one year deals will help us more than youth.)

That's why getting Temple back is much more likely than Jackson in a trade with Sacto. One old and one young on each side of the deal. Wizards would save $4 million and get an athletic big, plus some wing depth in Temple to replace Oubre and serve as a bridge to Brown or someone else. Doesn't seem crazy.

[Eli Babak]

That's why getting Temple back is much more likely than Jackson in a trade with Sacto. One old and one young on each side of the deal. Wizards would save $4 million and get an athletic big, plus some wing depth in Temple to replace Oubre and serve as a bridge to Brown or someone else. Doesn't seem crazy.

Yea, that would make sense. Still would need a bench scorer, maybe dump Smith (and Meeks) to get some extra flexibility and throw money at Seth Curry. Or maybe if stars align, Will Barton...

(By the way, personally I'm in trade Wall -camp but that's not happening. Gotta play with what Ernie & buddies want to do.)

[NatP4]

I’m fully onboard with dumping Gortat and a 2nd and signing Noel with the room exception and rolling with what we have. I like our team, I like this rotation:

Wall Sato
Beal
Oubre Brown
Porter Morris
Noel Mahinmi

Don’t do the whole “microwave scorer shooting guard that doesn’t play defense” just stagger Beal and Porter and force Porter to be a primary scorer off the bench. Team identity should be play defense and rebound and run.

Keep the 2019 pick and draft Jontay Porter.

[dangermouse]

Would you do something like Oubre+Gortat for WCS+Jackson? WCS could be that young athletic big and I'm sure he's gonna be a lot cheaper to retain than Oubre. Jackson was pretty trash in his rookie season but I expect him to improve this year. Kings would get a nice fit in Oubre and they could just buyout disgruntled Gortat.

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/FA/Meeks
Brown (trust the kid!)/Jackson + FA
Porter/Morris
WCS/Mahinmi/Smith

Fox/Mason
Bogdanovic/Hield/Shumpert
Oubre/Temple
Bagley/Labissiere
Koufos/Randolph/Giles

(But this could never happen because "we're veteran team" and therefore vets on one year deals will help us more than youth.)

That's why getting Temple back is much more likely than Jackson in a trade with Sacto. One old and one young on each side of the deal. Wizards would save $4 million and get an athletic big, plus some wing depth in Temple to replace Oubre and serve as a bridge to Brown or someone else. Doesn't seem crazy.

I'm not a huge WCS fan... but I'm also probably one of the biggest Gortat haters here too. So i'd do this just to get some new blood through the door at that position.

[jangles86]

What on earth are we doing with Gortat??? Wasn’t he being shipped and Wall pretty much signing his papers?

[NatP4]

Probably going to be involved in a Cousins or Jordan trade.

[dckingsfan]

Need to keep him for the farewell tour.

[payitforward]

Gortat, Oubre, Jason Smith for Gallinari

No can do for salary reasons -- & other reasons as well. But it would be absolutely impossible to absorb his salary.

What if they found a way to get off Mahinmi next year?

WE'd still be paying $115m+ to 4 guys. We have 3 max contracts, one of them about to become a supermax. We can't acquire any expensive players. Period. In fact, we can't acquire guys with average NBA salaries.

[pcbothwel]

What on earth are we doing with Gortat??? Wasn’t he being shipped and Wall pretty much signing his papers?

He wont be dealt until major FA's make their move. LAL, NYK, Philly, Dallas, etc. are all potential spots that are in the FA market as well.

[payitforward]

I don't see any team giving up anything valuable for Leonard unless they are convinced that there's a good possibility that he'd be more than a one-year rental. Right now, Kawhi seems determined to end up in LA at least by the 2019-20 season and that's a problem in any trade scenario...other than a trade to one of the LA teams.

I'd be reluctant to trade Oubre and Sato for Leonard if I didn't think I could sign Kawhi to a long-term deal.

It might be worth it for one season. Even with no modern C on the roster I think we could legitimately challenge Boston and Philly in the East for a spot in the Finals.

...which would be entertaining for us fans, to be sure. A kind of super-sized version of the Paul Pierce season.

At the same time, although Kawhi would obviously make us or any team better (duh), I'd say it's less than even odds we'd be in the ECF, let alone win them. We'd be likely to meet one of Boston/Philly in R2 & even w/ Leonard we'd be more likely to lose than win that series. Boston & Philly are juggernauts.

Still might be worth it. There is clearly neither appetite nor ability in the Wizards FO to build a legitimate championship contender. Perhaps when the team started heading South in a hurry after Kawhi's one year it would lead to replacing Ernie & building a modern FO around the new guy.

[FAH1223]

What on earth are we doing with Gortat??? Wasn’t he being shipped and Wall pretty much signing his papers?

He wont be dealt until major FA's make their move. LAL, NYK, Philly, Dallas, etc. are all potential spots that are in the FA market as well.

Yeah, whoever has raw cap space will want a C...

LAC are also a possibility of DeAndre doesn't take his $24M option and goes home to Texas as he almost did in 2015.

[payitforward]

Gortat, Oubre, Jason Smith for Gallinari

No can do for salary reasons -- & other reasons as well. But it would be absolutely impossible to absorb his salary.

Gortat, Morris, and Smith for Gallo and Williams (Non-Guaranteed, Waived).

Wall
Beal / Sato
Otto / Oubre
Gallo
Mahinmi

We get right at the Tax line (about 1-2M over). Puts us in striking distance to move Meeks and get under tax line at deadline.
Its a risk, but our team becomes really dynamic
LAC does this as a way to clear Gallos salary next year, yet take on rotation caliber players who will contribute. They add salary, but stay under tax.

We clearly go into the tax in 19/20, but not the repeater tax. The following year, we get out from under Gallo and Mahinmi and go back under the tax... which would again allow us to stay out of the repeater tax for 2 more years (Which appears to be the line in the sand)

Not the biggest fan of the trade, but was the only iteration of this trade that really works without giving up assets and Mahinmi...it also puts us in contention in the east

Very imaginative! & it does mitigate some of the worst effects of Gallo's salary.

But, I don't see enough motivation for the Clippers. They have time to move Gallinari, & they'll clearly be hoping to get some kind of longer-term asset than 3 expirings. I.e. I think we'd have to give them a pick for this to work. Plus they don't have roster room to absorb 3 guys given 2 R1 picks coming on board.

Nor is Gallinari a particularly good player any more. He's about to turn 30, has a lot of miles on him, has gone downhill the last few seasons, & played 671 minutes last year. I don't want to add $22m in salary obligations for that. I don't think he'd help us to speak of.

[pcbothwel]

No can do for salary reasons -- & other reasons as well. But it would be absolutely impossible to absorb his salary.

Gortat, Morris, and Smith for Gallo and Williams (Non-Guaranteed, Waived).

Wall
Beal / Sato
Otto / Oubre
Gallo
Mahinmi

We get right at the Tax line (about 1-2M over). Puts us in striking distance to move Meeks and get under tax line at deadline.
Its a risk, but our team becomes really dynamic
LAC does this as a way to clear Gallos salary next year, yet take on rotation caliber players who will contribute. They add salary, but stay under tax.

We clearly go into the tax in 19/20, but not the repeater tax. The following year, we get out from under Gallo and Mahinmi and go back under the tax... which would again allow us to stay out of the repeater tax for 2 more years (Which appears to be the line in the sand)

Not the biggest fan of the trade, but was the only iteration of this trade that really works without giving up assets and Mahinmi...it also puts us in contention in the east

Very imaginative! & it does mitigate some of the worst effects of Gallo's salary.

But, I don't see enough motivation for the Clippers. They have time to move Gallinari, & they'll clearly be hoping to get some kind of longer-term asset than 3 expirings. I.e. I think we'd have to give them a pick for this to work. Plus they don't have roster room to absorb 3 guys given 2 R1 picks coming on board.

Nor is Gallinari a particularly good player any more. He's about to turn 30, has a lot of miles on him, has gone downhill the last few seasons, & played 671 minutes last year. I don't want to add $22m in salary obligations for that. I don't think he'd help us to speak of.

PIF, I agree and thats why I said it wouldnt be my choice... but you are overselling Gallo's decline.
Last year he was hurt and played in only 20 games, but each of the two years before he was as efficient/good as Otto Porter but with a higher usage!?!

The problems with Gallo are clear:
1) Expensive
2) Injury prone
3) Defense

The 3rd point is important. He doesnt have the quickness to guard 3's, but he doesnt rebound well enough to be a 4. If only we had a player that could rebound like a 4 and guard 3's ... Oh yeah, Otto

Again.... more in fun/jest.
Not a route I would go

[NatP4]

What on earth are we doing with Gortat??? Wasn’t he being shipped and Wall pretty much signing his papers?

He wont be dealt until major FA's make their move. LAL, NYK, Philly, Dallas, etc. are all potential spots that are in the FA market as well.

Yeah, whoever has raw cap space will want a C...

LAC are also a possibility of DeAndre doesn't take his $24M option and goes home to Texas as he almost did in 2015.

Can’t see that happening. Deandre Jordan just isn’t very good anymore. He doesn’t play hard, he doesn’t block shots or anchor a defense. He’s put on too much weight. He should opt in and take the money.

[gtn130]

We'd be a legit contender for at least one season.

Losing Brown Jr, the 2019 1st & Sato stings but its a small price to pay IMO. I'd sacrifice two prospects and a role player for an opportunity at accomplishing something very special.

Agreed. And then we could do the complete rebuild the following year. Jettison everyone but Beal and Porter.

Terrible idea IMO. A 1 year rental on a guy that just missed the entire 2017-2018 season due to injury. We would have no depth and still wouldn’t beat the warriors if we even made it that far.

Alternatively we're in cap hell playing for the 8th seed every year. We're a shade above Detroit and Charlotte in terms of worst NBA franchises.

Look what Morey did to acquire CP3.