Political Roundtable Part XXI

[gtn130]

Lol TGW

[Zonkerbl]

LOL

So the peepee tape, Putin puppet reports aren't conspiracies? She must be the only one with proof of Russia collusion...on the planet.

You sound really, really ignorant and brainwashed. Didn't your mom teach you to think for yourself?

You're a fukking idiot, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I know that you slob DNC nuts for a living, and by proxy you're a partisan hack, but not everyone lives inside your lame bubble.

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

[TGW]

You sound really, really ignorant and brainwashed. Didn't your mom teach you to think for yourself?

You're a fukking idiot, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I know that you slob DNC nuts for a living, and by proxy you're a partisan hack, but not everyone lives inside your lame bubble.

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

Whatever. Don't quote me fool. You're on my "ignore the dumbass list" with gtn and stilldroppin.

*edit* I can't block you because you're a fake mod like Nate. A damn shame, because both you are partisan hacks not worth my time.

[Kanyewest]

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She has become the left's Glenn Beck.

So what did Trump get out of this meeting for the US? Yes Trump averted war, but he is the one who was warmongering in the first place with his previous "diplomacy".

That's besides the point. WTF does NK peace talks have to do with Russia? Absolutely freaking nothing, but Maddow found a way to somehow crowbar Russia into some weird conspiracy she made up in her head. I honestly hope you're not trying to defend her.

That's the final point that she made.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/12/us-to-suspend-war-games-with-south-korea-donald-trump-kim-jong-un-north-summit

Not sure what she was getting at with the train to Russia point though.

[gtn130]

Bothsidesism is a drug

Your problem with respect to your theory on conspiracy theorists is that you're choosing to impose arbitrary sides to an issue that doesn't actually see any and really has nothing to do with the sides you're trying to use. As for more educated people being less likely to believe in conspiracy theories? Maybe. More knowledge doesn't necessarily make you less susceptible. There's a reason for the existence of the cliché that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. In university, I had several friends who clearly believed the government was doing specific things in specific ways, only to get government jobs in various capacities and completely change their minds when they realized what government actually did, and more importantly what it didn't do.

As for being more susceptible to one party intentionally exploiting conspiracy theories more than the other? Yeah, I'm right there with you. To take that and draw the conclusion that those voters are more susceptible to conspiracy theories, there really isn't any evidence to suggest as much. And if you talk to people, it's pretty easy to recognize that, no matter where the line falls, this isn't a one or the other kind of thing. I spent time back in a Russian university in the early 2000s. It was phenomenal to see otherwise rational and well-educated people struggle against propaganda - people who rallied against the fall of the Soviet Union and protested back then. It's an immense struggle. And we aren't even talking about different kinds of conspiracy theories designed to target specific subsets of beliefs and just a widespread full-on assault to the senses in sometimes subtle and other times not so subtle ways. And this was before Putin finished with his Medvedev ruse.

Trying to impose some artificial sides over how propaganda and conspiracy theories work is adding totally irrelevant information which makes things harder to truly assess. It's like if you look and find out one side is using green in their messaging more and the other isn't, then look to find if that one side is wearing green more or is more predisposed to view green more favorably and you find out, no, that isn't actually true - there might be some slight differences but overall green is something that can be used to get people to like you but it's viewed favorably roughly equally on the each side of your issue, one side just happens to be using green more and exploiting it to their advantage.

Bothsidesism is a problem in quite a few cases, including how the parties are using conspiracy theories. It isn't true in terms of who is an isn't susceptible to conspiracy theories in general.

Neither of us are actually supporting our arguments with any hard evidence. This is all just casual theorizing. I'm not really convinced I'm wrong because there is very little liberal conspiracy media.

The real liberal conspiracy media out there is probably the Louise Mensch / Eric Garland / TrueFactsStated guy / John Schindler wing of Russia Twitter. Those people, especially the first three, are definitely Alex Jones types who are spinning up a ton of made-up bullsh*t for grifting purposes. The thing is, they have relatively small followings and their content doesn't make it past their own Twitter feeds. I have met precisely zero people who cite things they read on Louise Mensch's Twitter/blog, and I pretty much only have liberal friends.

In fact, most people just laugh at that stuff. I assume this is because we are reasonably intelligent people who aren't impulsively indulging in our own biases, and we can see how fraudulent and intellectually dishonest that nonsense is.

I think Democrat constituents in general tend to actually care about policy outcomes and don't see politics as a spectator sport. Like *I think* black and latino voters are trying to vote for the candidate they believe will improve their lives and at the same time aren't particularly politically engaged (on average) for a variety of reasons.

For those reasons, I don't see who the market would be for liberal Alex Jones. People are actually trying that with the Russia stuff, but it hasn't been nearly as successful.

[gtn130]

You're a fukking idiot, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I know that you slob DNC nuts for a living, and by proxy you're a partisan hack, but not everyone lives inside your lame bubble.

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

Whatever. Don't quote me fool. You're on my "ignore the dumbass list" with gtn and stilldroppin.

*edit* I can't block you because you're a fake mod like Nate. A damn shame, because both you are partisan hacks not worth my time.

Any time anyone pushes back on TGW's nonsense, he blocks you and runs away

[stilldropin20]

pretty much this.

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democrats literally hate the united states of america.

[stilldropin20]

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[I_Like_Dirt]

Neither of us are actually supporting our arguments with any hard evidence. This is all just casual theorizing.

So you didn't actually read the links I provided in one of my earlier responses. I suppose they aren't 100% evidence, but they're evidence nonetheless.

[stilldropin20]

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[gtn130]

Neither of us are actually supporting our arguments with any hard evidence. This is all just casual theorizing.

So you didn't actually read the links I provided in one of my earlier responses. I suppose they aren't 100% evidence, but they're evidence nonetheless.

I assumed they were about anti-vaxxing, which I'd already addressed. I'm not gonna do a bunch of homework to make your argument for you. Provide the relevant details that support your argument - don't send me off to read your linked articles

[I_Like_Dirt]

I assumed they were about anti-vaxxing, which I'd already addressed. I'm not gonna do a bunch of homework to make your argument for you. Provide the relevant details that support your argument - don't send me off to read your linked articles

Dude, one of them was actually titled something along the lines of "study finds if Democrats or Republicans are more likely to believe conspiracy theories." I even left the link open so you could read the title. Another one was titled something along the lines of who was more likely to be anti-science. You literally couldn't even be bothered to read the headlines that were there in the links themselves without clicking on anything and instead assumed they were entirely about anti-vaxxing? Not going to do research or even read headlines to try to inform myself and it's on somebody else to convince me otherwise? What do you even think conspiracy theories are, exactly?

[verbal8]

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So more global stability, better development programs in producing countries and a focus on treatment in the consuming countries. I could think of a worse person to lead this than Trump.

Although I am sure the root cause is somehow Clinton.

[gtn130]

I assumed they were about anti-vaxxing, which I'd already addressed. I'm not gonna do a bunch of homework to make your argument for you. Provide the relevant details that support your argument - don't send me off to read your linked articles

Dude, one of them was actually titled something along the lines of "study finds if Democrats or Republicans are more likely to believe conspiracy theories." I even left the link open so you could read the title. Another one was titled something along the lines of who was more likely to be anti-science. You literally couldn't even be bothered to read the headlines that were there in the links themselves without clicking on anything and instead assumed they were entirely about anti-vaxxing? Not going to do research or even read headlines to try to inform myself and it's on somebody else to convince me otherwise? What do you even think conspiracy theories are, exactly?

I just looked back at your post, and you shared three naked links without summary. I'm never going to read that, and I wouldn't expect anyone to read a bunch of links I share either, which is why I never do that.

[JWizmentality]

You sound really, really ignorant and brainwashed. Didn't your mom teach you to think for yourself?

You're a fukking idiot, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I know that you slob DNC nuts for a living, and by proxy you're a partisan hack, but not everyone lives inside your lame bubble.

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

Dude SD20 and TGW are the same person. He's using two troll accounts.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I just looked back at your post, and you shared three naked links without summary. I'm never going to read that, and I wouldn't expect anyone to read a bunch of links I share either, which is why I never do that.

So you aren't going to follow links and read and you aren't going to even read the titles of naked links, or even remember if they were naked links at all because it doesn't matter, and instead you're going to believe what you already believe unless somebody explains things in a specific layout that you find easiest to digest.

Do you not at least see how this is relevant to the topic? This is how this kind of stuff works, and it absolutely works on you, too. All somebody has to do is lay something out with links, but links you don't have to read or pay attention to or anything, and then lay out certain quotes to pick and choose their argument. Granted, you may respond in kind, but it basically becomes a battle of out of context quotes at that point, and that's a battle that is ripe for the spread of disinformation.

But hey, keep believing this is an example of othersideism I'm alleging here. Heck, I'd suggest the very idea that Rs, or right-wing-leaning voters are more inclined towards conspiracy theories is actually one of the best examples of conspiracy theories amongst Ds and or left inclined voters.

[gtn130]

I just looked back at your post, and you shared three naked links without summary. I'm never going to read that, and I wouldn't expect anyone to read a bunch of links I share either, which is why I never do that.

So you aren't going to follow links and read and you aren't going to even read the titles of naked links, or even remember if they were naked links at all because it doesn't matter, and instead you're going to believe what you already believe unless somebody explains things in a specific layout that you find easiest to digest.

Do you not at least see how this is relevant to the topic? This is how this kind of stuff works, and it absolutely works on you, too. All somebody has to do is lay something out with links, but links you don't have to read or pay attention to or anything, and then lay out certain quotes to pick and choose their argument. Granted, you may respond in kind, but it basically becomes a battle of out of context quotes at that point, and that's a battle that is ripe for the spread of disinformation.

But hey, keep believing this is an example of othersideism I'm alleging here. Heck, I'd suggest the very idea that Rs, or right-wing-leaning voters are more inclined towards conspiracy theories is actually one of the best examples of conspiracy theories amongst Ds and or left inclined voters.

LOL this is laughable.

You can't be bothered to highlight the relevant parts of the three articles you want me to read, but I should take the time to read three different articles from start to finish? GTFO dude. And this, no less, is on the heels of you ignoring 90+% of my last post about the conspiracy theory stuff so you could whine about your articles not being read!

Terrible posting. Highlight the parts of the articles that inform your argument or shut the **** up.

And huge LOL at suggesting *I don't read at all* because I won't read the links I_Like_Dirt posts on a message board in bulk.

Completely absurd position you're taking here all around.

[gtn130]

All,

Please read all of these and get back to me with thoughtful responses and critiques.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/resistance-trump-louise-mensch-seth-abramson-eric-gardland-amy-siskind-conspiracy-theories-lists-a8043076.html

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/how-a-liberal-scholar-of-conspiracy-theories-became-the-subject-of-a-right-wing-conspiracy-theory

https://www.wired.com/story/how-liberals-amped-up-a-parkland-shooting-conspiracy-theory/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/08/21/conspiracy-theories-arent-just-for-conservatives/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-internet-s-conspiracy-theorists-turned-parkland-students-crisis-actors-n849921

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/23/conspiracy-theory-psychology/815121001/

If you don't get back to me in a timely manner then you are a conspiracy theorist

Thanks,

gtn130

[TGW]

You're a fukking idiot, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I know that you slob DNC nuts for a living, and by proxy you're a partisan hack, but not everyone lives inside your lame bubble.

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

Dude SD20 and TGW are the same person. He's using two troll accounts.

Oh really, idiot? Want a ban bet? Put your account on the line if you're so sure of that.

You Democrats are as tribal and ridiculous as Republicans.

[JWizmentality]

I rest my case. Go home TGW, you're ignorant.

Dude SD20 and TGW are the same person. He's using two troll accounts.

Oh really, idiot? Want a ban bet? Put your account on the line if you're so sure of that.

You Democrats are as tribal and ridiculous as Republicans.

Stop resisting. Accept me as your Lord and Savior.