Kings Off-Season

[City of Trees]

Man that Carmichael Dave Jay Bilas interview was ridiculous. Grant and Dave really do nothing to change the national narrative and just make the organization look worse imo


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i didn't mind it. Good theater. I like the fact that 2 Sac figures as popular as Dave/Grant will absolutely go to bat for the team. On top of that Bilas was dead wrong on a ton of levels. He incorrectly called the locker room "dysfunctional" then tried to go to a dictionary usage of the term when we all know what he actually meant. By Jay's definition the cavs had a functional locker room all year because they had a winning record when we all know that couldn't have been further from the truth.

Jay claimed he watched 15 kings games last year but i doubt it was more than 3 or 4 (he works sometimes 3 cbb games per week and we barely even on national tv). I wouldn't be shocked if he thought Cuz or Karl or Rondo were still in the organization. It was a pretty irresponsible mischaracterization and im glad he got called on it.

My opinion here is it doesnt even matter that Dave was technically right because in the end both parties lost. Grant/Dave came off as sensitive insecure Kings supporters who have it out for the big media guy. Dumb. Plus, Jay Bilas is a freaking College Basketball analyst! NBA folks have been saying way worse for years. Dave and Grant dont have the balls to go after Big NBA because they'd get creamed. I stopped listening to the conversation after 5 min because they sounded like children arguing over whos turn it is after a rule violation.

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[kingjawn100]

i'm intrigued by the offense that Jabari Parker could give us especially being that he's still young but im scared to death of his defense, especially on this roster. Parker is an abysmal defensive player. A lineup of Fox-Bogi-Parker-Bagley-WCS would be one of the poorest defensive starting 5s in the nba (that's literally 4 below average defenders). is Parker, a guy with shredded knees, the person you want guarding the likes of Lebron/Paul George/Jayson Tatum/Kawhi Leonard etc?

i'd like to see us add 2 wings... A scorer (maybe Parker) and then a defensive minded wing (maybe stephenson). That way if Parker's defense is just killing us we could always start Stephenson. Of course if Temple opts in he could fill that defensive wing role. Also Doug McBuckets is a guy who could help our offense off the bench. The prospect of him and Buddy in a bench mob situation shooting 3s could be pretty exciting.

[kingjawn100]

Man that Carmichael Dave Jay Bilas interview was ridiculous. Grant and Dave really do nothing to change the national narrative and just make the organization look worse imo


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i didn't mind it. Good theater. I like the fact that 2 Sac figures as popular as Dave/Grant will absolutely go to bat for the team. On top of that Bilas was dead wrong on a ton of levels. He incorrectly called the locker room "dysfunctional" then tried to go to a dictionary usage of the term when we all know what he actually meant. By Jay's definition the cavs had a functional locker room all year because they had a winning record when we all know that couldn't have been further from the truth.

Jay claimed he watched 15 kings games last year but i doubt it was more than 3 or 4 (he works sometimes 3 cbb games per week and we barely even on national tv). I wouldn't be shocked if he thought Cuz or Karl or Rondo were still in the organization. It was a pretty irresponsible mischaracterization and im glad he got called on it.

My opinion here is it doesnt even matter that Dave was technically right because in the end both parties lost. Grant/Dave came off as sensitive insecure Kings supporters who have it out for the big media guy. Dumb. Plus, Jay Bilas is a freaking College Basketball analyst! NBA folks have been saying way worse for years. Dave and Grant dont have the balls to go after Big NBA because they'd get creamed. I stopped listening to the conversation after 5 min because they sounded like children arguing over whos turn it is after a rule violation.

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but why is a COLLEGE basketball analyst going out of his lane to make grandiose statements about something he clearly wasn't familiar with? If he wants to say Marvin Bagley is gonna be a bust or Duke's locker room was dysfunctional he should go right ahead because that's an area of his expertise. But he really made himself look bad trying to speak about an nba teams' culture when he's halfway across the country. The reason Jay is even now still tweeting about this is cause he knows he was caught in his own words.

ill admit Grant sticks up for the organization to an embarrassing degree but in this case neither he nor Dave was really in the wrong. I'd hope most teams have local media willing to speak up. Not here to rip Bilas but in this age, some people feel the urge to give a definitive opinion about every topic they come across. Clearly a fish out of water in this case.

[City of Trees]

i didn't mind it. Good theater. I like the fact that 2 Sac figures as popular as Dave/Grant will absolutely go to bat for the team. On top of that Bilas was dead wrong on a ton of levels. He incorrectly called the locker room "dysfunctional" then tried to go to a dictionary usage of the term when we all know what he actually meant. By Jay's definition the cavs had a functional locker room all year because they had a winning record when we all know that couldn't have been further from the truth.

Jay claimed he watched 15 kings games last year but i doubt it was more than 3 or 4 (he works sometimes 3 cbb games per week and we barely even on national tv). I wouldn't be shocked if he thought Cuz or Karl or Rondo were still in the organization. It was a pretty irresponsible mischaracterization and im glad he got called on it.

My opinion here is it doesnt even matter that Dave was technically right because in the end both parties lost. Grant/Dave came off as sensitive insecure Kings supporters who have it out for the big media guy. Dumb. Plus, Jay Bilas is a freaking College Basketball analyst! NBA folks have been saying way worse for years. Dave and Grant dont have the balls to go after Big NBA because they'd get creamed. I stopped listening to the conversation after 5 min because they sounded like children arguing over whos turn it is after a rule violation.

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but why is a COLLEGE basketball analyst going out of his lane to make grandiose statements about something he clearly wasn't familiar with? If he wants to say Marvin Bagley is gonna be a bust or Duke's locker room was dysfunctional he should go right ahead because that's an area of his expertise. But he really made himself look bad trying to speak about an nba teams' culture when he's halfway across the country. The reason Jay is even now still tweeting about this is cause he knows he was caught in his own words.

ill admit Grant sticks up for the organization to an embarrassing degree but in this case neither he nor Dave was really in the wrong. I'd hope most teams have local media willing to speak up. Not here to rip Bilas but in this age, some people feel the urge to give a definitive opinion about every topic they come across. Clearly a fish out of water in this case.

IIRC Jay was asked a question about players from last years draft.

Grant only picked this fight because the wording was off. Calculated move. Weak ass **** imo.

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[sacking123]

Please no Jabari Parker.
I’m still on the Kyle Anderson wagon, I think some of you guys that are downplaying him is because he is not this ultimate scoring type. It doesn’t matter, we need defenders on this squad in the worst way. There isn’t 1 guy that is out there that we can get that is an elite scorer or playmaker. However we could go out there and get an elite defender. That’s right he is elite, his offence isn’t that bad either and when you weigh it up he is the best target for us (outside of trading for Porter as I’ve said).
He is an upgrade at the 3, plays elite D, which we need, Buddy, Bagley, Bogi and Fox will handle the majority of the scoring anyway or should.


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[prime1time]

Wizards and Kings are natural trade partners given our rosters. But I have to ask, Bagley? Unless Bagley turns into a star it's really going to hamstring your team. Very tough to find a 3 point shooting rim protector, to make up for what bailey lacks. Giles and Bagley on the floor at the same time seems like a non-starter due to the likely lack of shooting and rim protection. It hurts to see one of Porter or Oubre go, but it's for the best. Porter is severely underrated. He's a lot better than his numbers indicate. He just doesn't get enough touches when Wall is playing. Porter is at his best when he's playing point forward. He's likely going to work on his ball handling and playmaking the entire summer. Oubre has improved every year he's been in the league. His game right now is bottlenecked by his ball handling but he's working on it. His 3-point shooting is coming along and I think he can turn into a better version of Trevor Ariza.

I have some questions also. Why such low block numbers for WCS? Also, Harry Giles. Are you guys still high on him? I feel like drafting Bagley really undercut his value. Also, what was the justification for drafting Bagley? Do they just think he'll be a star? So many redundant players on your roster: Skal, Giles, WCS, Bagley. Doncicwould have been a great fit for you guys, and then you could ascertain whether or not Giles could return to form.

[madskillz8]

Wizards and Kings are natural trade partners given our rosters. But I have to ask, Bagley? Unless Bagley turns into a star it's really going to hamstring your team. Very tough to find a 3 point shooting rim protector, to make up for what bailey lacks. Giles and Bagley on the floor at the same time seems like a non-starter due to the likely lack of shooting and rim protection. It hurts to see one of Porter or Oubre go, but it's for the best. Porter is severely underrated. He's a lot better than his numbers indicate. He just doesn't get enough touches when Wall is playing. Porter is at his best when he's playing point forward. He's likely going to work on his ball handling and playmaking the entire summer. Oubre has improved every year he's been in the league. His game right now is bottlenecked by his ball handling but he's working on it. His 3-point shooting is coming along and I think he can turn into a better version of Trevor Ariza.

I have some questions also. Why such low block numbers for WCS? Also, Harry Giles. Are you guys still high on him? I feel like drafting Bagley really undercut his value. Also, what was the justification for drafting Bagley? Do they just think he'll be a star? So many redundant players on your roster: Skal, Giles, WCS, Bagley. Doncicwould have been a great fit for you guys, and then you could ascertain whether or not Giles could return to form.

Bagley is actually a good 3 pt shooter in college and we expect that he will extend his range for NBA 3pt. Giles could be the one that complement Bagley in terms of rim protection. He has long arms, agile and has a high motor. As long as he stays injury-free of course.

WCS is definitely an interesting player. For a couple of minutes he looks like Anthony Davis, and then lacks of motor on especially on defensive end. What most Kings fans expected from WCS to be athletic high energy guy with a priority on defense and a lob finisher, but definitely he's not thinking that way. He has worked on and polished his offensive game, a better passer now and added an effentive mid range shooting to his arsenal which is important for team spacing. At the same time, however, he started to play lots of one-on-ones trying to beat his opponents by dribble. If he gets by he dunks the ball, but if he cannot-which is often the case- he relies on lay-up attempts. And he has an incredibly low percentage on that attempts. Again, when he put his whole effort and stay away from those one-on-ones he's a very very effective player. He just needs some motivation and video sessions on his offense I believe. This would be the very critical season for his next contract.

Otto Porter Jr. is a perfect fit for Kings. Fox/Bogdan/Porter/Bagley/Giles with Hield as 6th man is a very balanced and high upside team. Also we don't care about his max salary because we have three of these players under rookie contracts for 2-3 more years. Moreover Kings can have him without returning lots of salary but young players with rookie contracts (or expiring) to Wizards which would provide an instant cap relief.

Two question arises at that point. Is it possible that Wizards want to move him (or Oubre) because of luxury tax? Secondly, just a year ago he rejected Kings' offer sheet and preferred Nets. Not sure if he wants to play in SacTown.

[City of Trees]

If im forced to choose between Parker and Hezonja, give me Parker.

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[jazanetti]

If im forced to choose between Parker and Hezonja, give me Parker.

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The price matters. I'd prefer to give Hezonja 24/3 over 80/4 for Parker.
1 year 20 million deal with Jabari is good for me too.

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[skones]

If im forced to choose between Parker and Hezonja, give me Parker.

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The price matters. I'd prefer to give Hezonja 24/3 over 80/4 for Parker.
1 year 20 million deal with Jabari is good for me too.

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Nobody is going to give 20M a year to Parker. I think that's way to high for competing offers. A 1 year 20M dollar deal would be matched by MKE.

[City of Trees]

Bucks board says a few days ago on LOWE's podcast he mentioned Jabari turned down an offer from MIL of 3yr/$54m

Jabari's bad fit in MIL and his desire to be the man seem to be the biggest reasons he wants to go elsewhere.


If true i can see Sac being an attractive destination. No #1 option just yet. Superteam, just young.
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[codydaze]

Bucks board says a few days ago on LOWE's podcast he mentioned Jabari turned down an offer from MIL of 3yr/$54m

Jabari's bad fit in MIL and his desire to be the man seem to be the biggest reasons he wants to go elsewhere.


If true i can see Sac being an attractive destination. No #1 option just yet. Superteam, just young.
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I'm not sure I see the fit with Jabari though, he's definitely more suited to play the 4 than he is the 3. He's only averaging 45 games played per season through four years too, I'd be very hesitant to give him more than 10-12 million anually if it's a 3-4 year deal. I'd rather just roll the dice on Hezonja and hope he can put it together here, he has shown some flashes.

[City of Trees]

FWIW some Bucks fans see his value around $15M. Defense and rebounding as his areas of weakness.

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[City of Trees]

Maybe hoping for just average defense from Jabari at the 3 masks his rebounding deficiencies with Bagley and Giles on the floor.

Offensively he can play the 3 no problem.

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[becorz]

I really do think the Kings should stay out of FA this year. Let the team develop, keep the future space. If you can get a Hezonja for 1 year, sure. But no one out there is a real difference maker. Use the space, acquire more assets.

[codydaze]

Dallas just rescinded the QO for Dougie McBuckets. I would sign him on the cheap to get a knock down shooter.

[BoogieTime]

I really do think the Kings should stay out of FA this year. Let the team develop, keep the future space. If you can get a Hezonja for 1 year, sure. But no one out there is a real difference maker. Use the space, acquire more assets.

Joerger/Vlade are on the hot seat, so patience to them might not be there

This FA not many teams will have cap, this it’s the summer the Kings can get something done without competition

[BoogieTime]

FWIW some Bucks fans see his value around $15M. Defense and rebounding as his areas of weakness.

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Not worth near that with injury concerns and he wasnt good last year

[madskillz8]

I really do think the Kings should stay out of FA this year. Let the team develop, keep the future space. If you can get a Hezonja for 1 year, sure. But no one out there is a real difference maker. Use the space, acquire more assets.

Exactly Give Justin Jackson a change within a team with a faster pace.

fox32/mason12
bogdan32/Hield32
JJ24/Temple12
Bagley28/Skal20
WCS24/Giles18/Koufos6

[Castor_Troy]

Bucks board says a few days ago on LOWE's podcast he mentioned Jabari turned down an offer from MIL of 3yr/$54m

Jabari's bad fit in MIL and his desire to be the man seem to be the biggest reasons he wants to go elsewhere.


If true i can see Sac being an attractive destination. No #1 option just yet. Superteam, just young.
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I'm not sure I see the fit with Jabari though, he's definitely more suited to play the 4 than he is the 3. He's only averaging 45 games played per season through four years too, I'd be very hesitant to give him more than 10-12 million anually if it's a 3-4 year deal. I'd rather just roll the dice on Hezonja and hope he can put it together here, he has shown some flashes.

Agree...Parker was already on the 3/4 boarder and I feel the injuries have slowed him to the point where he is now truly a 4. Have Mario as my top choice for the Kings to target. Really liked what I saw out of him the 2nd half of last season, seems like he might be starting to get it.