Kawhi update thread 2.0

[Duke4life831]

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And there is a reason there is no deal lol. SPURS WANT JAYLEN.

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It's not that I don't like Jaylen Brown, I do. But we literally "won't" part with him for Kawhi Leonard?

I know I know it's been covered before but I guess this is why a trade was never made with the Celtics. We are not giving them that extra piece I am guessing which would be Brown.

Are you willing to give up Jaylen for a 1 year rental?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Robert Covington is a knockoff version of Jae Crowder. Can people stop pretending he has any sort of real value?

So much this, tired of how overrated hes become both offensively and defensively. Tatum routinely cooked him alive last year, he gets caught flat footed far too often in man d. Great team defender though.

[Slartibartfast]

ddb, is the possibility of an extension happening just speculation on your part or is there uh, more to that possibility?

Ainge wants the extension. Spurs need the extension too in order to get the return they want. It's both sides working with Kawhi to cooperate. If he doesn't then the situation gets really awkward for San Antonio, and Boston doesn't do a deal.
Boston has leverage here. They don't need to make a trade. Of course acquiring Kawhi extended is worth it, but it's like the rich getting richer for Boston.
And Philly...they might have to part with Simmons to get Kawhi (if extended). Brown isn't better than Brown despite what the NBA perception is. Fultz isn't getting the deal done for Philly.



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Part with Simmons? What kind of insanity?

Simmons is great, but he has significant halfcourt issues that you don't know if he'll overcome with age and seasoning and that make him less than ideal for pairing with other ballhandling stars.

It's a massive risk trading him, but Leonard is a 27 year old MVP-caliber franchise talent and arguably the best 2-way player in basketball after LeBron. He's the kind of guy you take massive risks for.

[Captain_Caveman]

And there is a reason there is no deal lol. SPURS WANT JAYLEN.

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It's not that I don't like Jaylen Brown, I do. But we literally "won't" part with him for Kawhi Leonard?

I know I know it's been covered before but I guess this is why a trade was never made with the Celtics. We are not giving them that extra piece I am guessing which would be Brown.

Are you willing to give up Jaylen for a 1 year rental?

Same answer to the same question from a few pages ago. Yes if Kawhi is simply noncommittal, probably not if he flat out says he won’t resign (with the caveat that the Lakers might use all their 2019 cap room this summer).

[gman5589]

No one should give any major asset up for a Kawhi rental. If he doesn't see the value for playing with a REAL organization with ownership that cares about winning, then he's not worth the one year season.

The Spurs have been an all-around Top 3 organization for 20 years and are willing to trade him to the Celtics. Danny and Brad Stevens won't beg Kawhi to be here, nor should they.

[Captain_Caveman]

Ainge wants the extension. Spurs need the extension too in order to get the return they want. It's both sides working with Kawhi to cooperate. If he doesn't then the situation gets really awkward for San Antonio, and Boston doesn't do a deal.
Boston has leverage here. They don't need to make a trade. Of course acquiring Kawhi extended is worth it, but it's like the rich getting richer for Boston.
And Philly...they might have to part with Simmons to get Kawhi (if extended). Brown isn't better than Brown despite what the NBA perception is. Fultz isn't getting the deal done for Philly.



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Part with Simmons? What kind of insanity?

Simmons is great, but he has significant halfcourt issues that you don't know if he'll overcome with age and seasoning and that make him less than ideal for pairing with other ballhandling stars.

It's a massive risk trading him, but Leonard is a 27 year old MVP-caliber franchise talent and arguably the best 2-way player in basketball after LeBron. He's the kind of guy you take massive risks for.

Jaylen or Fultz risks, or Tatum and Simmons risks?

[ddb]

ddb, is the possibility of an extension happening just speculation on your part or is there uh, more to that possibility?

Ainge wants the extension. Spurs need the extension too in order to get the return they want. It's both sides working with Kawhi to cooperate. If he doesn't then the situation gets really awkward for San Antonio, and Boston doesn't do a deal.
Boston has leverage here. They don't need to make a trade. Of course acquiring Kawhi extended is worth it, but it's like the rich getting richer for Boston.
And Philly...they might have to part with Simmons to get Kawhi (if extended). Brown isn't better than Brown despite what the NBA perception is. Fultz isn't getting the deal done for Philly.



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BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Kyrie is already in Boston. He requested his trade at a better time during his contract shelf life. Kawhi doesnt have such leverage.

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And there is a reason there is no deal lol. SPURS WANT JAYLEN.

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It's not that I don't like Jaylen Brown, I do. But we literally "won't" part with him for Kawhi Leonard?

I know I know it's been covered before but I guess this is why a trade was never made with the Celtics. We are not giving them that extra piece I am guessing which would be Brown.

Are you willing to give up Jaylen for a 1 year rental?

I guess not.

[ddb]

Ainge wants the extension. Spurs need the extension too in order to get the return they want. It's both sides working with Kawhi to cooperate. If he doesn't then the situation gets really awkward for San Antonio, and Boston doesn't do a deal.
Boston has leverage here. They don't need to make a trade. Of course acquiring Kawhi extended is worth it, but it's like the rich getting richer for Boston.
And Philly...they might have to part with Simmons to get Kawhi (if extended). Brown isn't better than Brown despite what the NBA perception is. Fultz isn't getting the deal done for Philly.



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BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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[Slartibartfast]

Part with Simmons? What kind of insanity?

Simmons is great, but he has significant halfcourt issues that you don't know if he'll overcome with age and seasoning and that make him less than ideal for pairing with other ballhandling stars.

It's a massive risk trading him, but Leonard is a 27 year old MVP-caliber franchise talent and arguably the best 2-way player in basketball after LeBron. He's the kind of guy you take massive risks for.

Jaylen or Fultz risks, or Tatum and Simmons risks?

Depends on how you feel about his health, I guess.

I know I'd be terrified of trading Simmons for him given their history with Brand and Bynum.

[K For Three]

BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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Where do you personally believe he ends up? Can just be a gut feeling.

[CSL_1904]

No way I'm trading Jaylen without assurances that Kawhi will sign long term

[TommyPoints]

Philly can make the best offer, and the 76ers would be stupid not to do so.

Fultz, Covington, some of the players they have stashed in Europe, 2 no. 1 picks. No one else comes close.

That’s 100% not true


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Correct. The second Brown or Ingram's names get involved it tops what Philly can offer. Those two carry much more value than Fultz and Boston can match anything when it comes to picks and LA can match anything when it comes to young prospects.

I recognize that LA’s prospects have value obviously, but I’m just not a huge fan of their players.

[ddb]

BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Dude would literally have to give up about $70m to turn down a Spurs supermax just to extend with Boston lol.

Clearly that isn't what is most important to Kawhi right now. If $$ was the most important he would stay in SA, sign, and then demand out at the deadline or next summer

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[ddb]

And there is a reason there is no deal lol. SPURS WANT JAYLEN.

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It's not that I don't like Jaylen Brown, I do. But we literally "won't" part with him for Kawhi Leonard?

I know I know it's been covered before but I guess this is why a trade was never made with the Celtics. We are not giving them that extra piece I am guessing which would be Brown.

Are you willing to give up Jaylen for a 1 year rental?

Nope. No way. Spurs know that Danny won't do a deal involving Jaylen without an extention. Jaylen is a special young talent

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BfB is right. There is zero chance Kawhi extends as part of the trade. Same issue as exists with Kyrie.

Yea. I don’t quite get the idea of an extension either. He’d have to realllyyyyyyyy want Boston to do something like that.

Kawhi's camp mishandled all of this. He now has zero leverage.

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I would say he absolutely has some leverage given that he is a FA next summer. If he didn't have leverage, he would have already been traded.

[K For Three]

After Celtics games next year, you can watch this for late night entertainment.

[Homerclease]

Robert Covington is a knockoff version of Jae Crowder. Can people stop pretending he has any sort of real value?

So much this, tired of how overrated hes become both offensively and defensively. Tatum routinely cooked him alive last year, he gets caught flat footed far too often in man d. Great team defender though.

Who is pretending that Covington has real value? He’s salary cap filler

[fallguy]

It's not that I don't like Jaylen Brown, I do. But we literally "won't" part with him for Kawhi Leonard?

I know I know it's been covered before but I guess this is why a trade was never made with the Celtics. We are not giving them that extra piece I am guessing which would be Brown.

Are you willing to give up Jaylen for a 1 year rental?

Nope. No way. Spurs know that Danny won't do a deal involving Jaylen without an extention. Jaylen is a special young talent

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I think this is the right approach even if it scuttles a deal. There's no urgency here.

[Edug27]

Ainge wants the extension. Spurs need the extension too in order to get the return they want. It's both sides working with Kawhi to cooperate. If he doesn't then the situation gets really awkward for San Antonio, and Boston doesn't do a deal.
Boston has leverage here. They don't need to make a trade. Of course acquiring Kawhi extended is worth it, but it's like the rich getting richer for Boston.
And Philly...they might have to part with Simmons to get Kawhi (if extended). Brown isn't better than Brown despite what the NBA perception is. Fultz isn't getting the deal done for Philly.



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Part with Simmons? What kind of insanity?

Simmons is great, but he has significant halfcourt issues that you don't know if he'll overcome with age and seasoning and that make him less than ideal for pairing with other ballhandling stars.

It's a massive risk trading him, but Leonard is a 27 year old MVP-caliber franchise talent and arguably the best 2-way player in basketball after LeBron. He's the kind of guy you take massive risks for.

Sixers aren’t winning a title by swapping Kawhi for Simmons. Philly needs to think long term. Again, insanity.