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Post#1621 » by SuperSunsFan » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:13 am

Who is uglier, Lonzo or Cassell?

I only like having good looking players on our team (Nash, Raja, Boris Diaw, Goran, Frye, Booker, JJ, Makal, Marquese...)
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Post#1622 » by timetoshinebaby » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:16 am

What would people say if we moved Warren and the Bucks pick for Love?

Then did the rumoured Ball-Deng trade for cap space trade and a 2nd?
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Post#1624 » by BobbieL » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:18 am

Good read from Lowe - as always. Guy has a lot of information to share, does his homework. The last paragraphs about the Suns and their PG situation. I do not understand Lowe with the Josh to be included for Lowry. In that type of trade - Dudley, Chandler and Josh - the Raptors would be getting JJ and and saving 30m. They win that deal. I have said am interested in Lowry but it has to be Knight Dudley, Chandler type of deal. Not Josh. And to me, Josh should be included with Booker, Bridges Ayton as the core of the team. But glad to read Schroeder is not on the list. Beverly really is the right guy. But Beverly won't cost Dudley - unless its Beverly/Wes J for Bender Dudley type of deal.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard


The easiest call on the board: Phoenix acquiring a point guard, either in free agency (Fred VanVleet is a name to watch) or via trade. The problem for Phoenix is that their best assets -- Booker, Deandre Ayton, Mikal Bridges -- are untouchable, and their young bigs (Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss) have limited trade value. Chriss was available on draft night, per league sources.

They can take small swings on guys like Jeremy Lin, Darren Collison, Cory Joseph, and Patrick Beverley -- a perfect fit next to Booker, though he is recovering from microfracture surgery -- packaging Bender and some salary filler (Jared Dudley). That is probably not enough for Rozier, another nice fit. Milos Teodosic is another name to watch -- a playmaker who would make Ayton's life much easier. But in the long run, the Suns need a plus defender next to Booker.

Bigger fish would require Phoenix sliding Josh Jackson into a trade. He is the swing piece, whether the Suns like or not. He puts Kemba Walker in play. Would a rebuilding Raptors team say no to Dudley, Tyson Chandler, and Jackson for Kyle Lowry? (I doubt Phoenix does that, but it makes you pause.) What about Mike Conley if the Grizz pull the plug (and Conley proves healthy)?

Phoenix has shown no interest so far in Dennis Schroder, sources say.

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Post#1625 » by BobbieL » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:22 am

tanksonbaby wrote:What would people say if we moved Warren and the Bucks pick for Love?

Then did the rumoured Ball-Deng trade for cap space trade and a 2nd?


Can't do both. Would need to make the Love trade dollar for dollar - so like Chandler and Warren and the Bucks pick.

The Deng/Ball trade - Suns would have to somehow give about 5m to the Lakers
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Post#1626 » by bigfoot » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:22 am

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Scratch Thad Young off the hypothetical list


But to sign Gordon to an offer sheet - they will need to waive both Big Al and Collison - or do a sign and trade. Wonder if the Suns could get Collison for cheap - one year PG option.


Again any player waived is an option for the Suns to consider. The Suns could pick them up for their existing contract. Because the Suns had the worst record in the league they get the first option on any waived players. Collison and Beverly ... both decent options if they are waived.

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Post#1627 » by Revived » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:22 am

Damkac wrote:Can we just get some reasonable vet PG and call our team done? I don't want any "big trade". We got 58 young players to develop and new promising coach to work with them. Let's focus on this, hope we can get as many wins as possible and stop acting like we can be a contender next year.

I hope we don’t do something stupid like give Gordon, Smart or Bradley long term deals worth a lot of $$.
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Post#1628 » by LukasBMW » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:26 am

If Ball didn't come with his father, I'd take a chance on him. His shot is ridiculous and needs to be fixed, but I actually really like every other part of his game. I absolutely see some Penny Hardaway in him...with the exception that he can't shoot.

It's not just Lavar either...Lonzo seems to be a tool. You know what they say about the apple and the tree. If you look at how he acts in his reality TV show or listen to his lyrics, he's full of himself and immature. He's not a leader. He would come here thinking he would be an alpha and he's not.

If we could offload the "unknown" Brandon Knight along with the Bucks pick for a real PG, I'd be all for it. Especially if they have only a one year deal OR are on a less expensive deal.

But if we can't get Kemba for Knight and the Bucks pick, I'd rather just sign someone to a 1 year deal with a team option. Hell, I'd even take Elf back. He's got as much potential as anyone else. Real talk.
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Post#1629 » by SuperSunsFan » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:28 am

Jeremy Lin would be awesome if he wasn't coming off a serious injury. He is like a Dragic with a friendlier price tag.
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Post#1630 » by Saberestar » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:30 am

BobbieL wrote:Good read from Lowe - as always. Guy has a lot of information to share, does his homework. The last paragraphs about the Suns and their PG situation. I do not understand Lowe with the Josh to be included for Lowry. In that type of trade - Dudley, Chandler and Josh - the Raptors would be getting JJ and and saving 30m. They win that deal. I have said am interested in Lowry but it has to be Knight Dudley, Chandler type of deal. Not Josh. And to me, Josh should be included with Booker, Bridges Ayton as the core of the team. But glad to read Schroeder is not on the list. Beverly really is the right guy. But Beverly won't cost Dudley - unless its Beverly/Wes J for Bender Dudley type of deal.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard


The easiest call on the board: Phoenix acquiring a point guard, either in free agency (Fred VanVleet is a name to watch) or via trade. The problem for Phoenix is that their best assets -- Booker, Deandre Ayton, Mikal Bridges -- are untouchable, and their young bigs (Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss) have limited trade value. Chriss was available on draft night, per league sources.

They can take small swings on guys like Jeremy Lin, Darren Collison, Cory Joseph, and Patrick Beverley -- a perfect fit next to Booker, though he is recovering from microfracture surgery -- packaging Bender and some salary filler (Jared Dudley). That is probably not enough for Rozier, another nice fit. Milos Teodosic is another name to watch -- a playmaker who would make Ayton's life much easier. But in the long run, the Suns need a plus defender next to Booker.

Bigger fish would require Phoenix sliding Josh Jackson into a trade. He is the swing piece, whether the Suns like or not. He puts Kemba Walker in play. Would a rebuilding Raptors team say no to Dudley, Tyson Chandler, and Jackson for Kyle Lowry? (I doubt Phoenix does that, but it makes you pause.) What about Mike Conley if the Grizz pull the plug (and Conley proves healthy)?

Phoenix has shown no interest so far in Dennis Schroder, sources say.

Enjoy the fun!









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Chriss available...I think that he is not gonna be a Sun next season.

Some team is gonna offer us decent value for him, a veteran like Beverley or a sign and trade for VanVleet.
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Post#1631 » by SuperSunsFan » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:32 am

Saberestar wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Good read from Lowe - as always. Guy has a lot of information to share, does his homework. The last paragraphs about the Suns and their PG situation. I do not understand Lowe with the Josh to be included for Lowry. In that type of trade - Dudley, Chandler and Josh - the Raptors would be getting JJ and and saving 30m. They win that deal. I have said am interested in Lowry but it has to be Knight Dudley, Chandler type of deal. Not Josh. And to me, Josh should be included with Booker, Bridges Ayton as the core of the team. But glad to read Schroeder is not on the list. Beverly really is the right guy. But Beverly won't cost Dudley - unless its Beverly/Wes J for Bender Dudley type of deal.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard


The easiest call on the board: Phoenix acquiring a point guard, either in free agency (Fred VanVleet is a name to watch) or via trade. The problem for Phoenix is that their best assets -- Booker, Deandre Ayton, Mikal Bridges -- are untouchable, and their young bigs (Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss) have limited trade value. Chriss was available on draft night, per league sources.

They can take small swings on guys like Jeremy Lin, Darren Collison, Cory Joseph, and Patrick Beverley -- a perfect fit next to Booker, though he is recovering from microfracture surgery -- packaging Bender and some salary filler (Jared Dudley). That is probably not enough for Rozier, another nice fit. Milos Teodosic is another name to watch -- a playmaker who would make Ayton's life much easier. But in the long run, the Suns need a plus defender next to Booker.

Bigger fish would require Phoenix sliding Josh Jackson into a trade. He is the swing piece, whether the Suns like or not. He puts Kemba Walker in play. Would a rebuilding Raptors team say no to Dudley, Tyson Chandler, and Jackson for Kyle Lowry? (I doubt Phoenix does that, but it makes you pause.) What about Mike Conley if the Grizz pull the plug (and Conley proves healthy)?

Phoenix has shown no interest so far in Dennis Schroder, sources say.

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Chriss available...I think that he is not gonna be a Sun next season.

Some team is gonna offer us decent value for him, a veteran like Beverley or a sign and trade for VanVleet.

Sad, Chriss is my favorite Current Sun. Please give Quese a chance.
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Post#1632 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:43 am

Any trade involving JJ *has* to be for a legit piece. It's definitely not for a guy like Lowry, Kemba or someone of that level.
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Post#1633 » by TOO » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:45 am

You'd have to be a "SuperSunsFan" for Marquese Frickin Chriss to be your favorite Suns player. That is some dedication.
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Post#1634 » by Revived » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:46 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Any trade involving JJ *has* to be for a legit piece. It's definitely not for a guy like Lowry, Kemba or someone of that level.

I wouldn’t trade him for Conley either.
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Post#1635 » by TOO » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:46 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Any trade involving JJ *has* to be for a legit piece. It's definitely not for a guy like Lowry, Kemba or someone of that level.


Nothing available outside of Kawhi, and we know that's not an option is worth putting Jackson in a deal.
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Post#1636 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:51 am

Why is Josh Jackson's name being mentioned in trades here...

McD clearly has named him along Booker as two pieces going forward... He also mentioned Warren... But with Bridges and Jackson's versatility.... Warren has become expendable.
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Post#1637 » by bigfoot » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:56 am

thamadkant wrote:Why is Josh Jackson's name being mentioned in trades here...

McD clearly has named him along Booker as two pieces going forward... He also mentioned Warren... But with Bridges and Jackson's versatility.... Warren has become expendable.


Keep the best of Warren, Jackson, and Bridges. Jackson and Bridges still need to prove they are better than Warren.
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Post#1638 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:56 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Any trade involving JJ *has* to be for a legit piece. It's definitely not for a guy like Lowry, Kemba or someone of that level.


It would have to be for someone with control too. But I don't know that JJ has a ton of trade value either. He probably has a pretty good amount with the potential upside/rookie deal, long time rights, but I don't imagine he would be a guy that you could use as a headliner for a young proven player with long term rights.

Bridges would probably have more trade value (after all, he just got netted a mid first in a deep draft and future unprotected pick from a mediocre aging team) and he hasn't even played yet.
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Post#1639 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:59 am

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thamadkant wrote:Why is Josh Jackson's name being mentioned in trades here...

McD clearly has named him along Booker as two pieces going forward... He also mentioned Warren... But with Bridges and Jackson's versatility.... Warren has become expendable.


Keep the best of Warren, Jackson, and Bridges. Jackson and Bridges still need to prove they are better than Warren.


We don't need to trade anyone yet. If a good deal comes along, sure, but yeah, no one has suddenly come along on this 21 win team to make any of our better players expendable just because.
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Post#1640 » by BobbieL » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:59 am

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BobbieL wrote:Good read from Lowe - as always. Guy has a lot of information to share, does his homework. The last paragraphs about the Suns and their PG situation. I do not understand Lowe with the Josh to be included for Lowry. In that type of trade - Dudley, Chandler and Josh - the Raptors would be getting JJ and and saving 30m. They win that deal. I have said am interested in Lowry but it has to be Knight Dudley, Chandler type of deal. Not Josh. And to me, Josh should be included with Booker, Bridges Ayton as the core of the team. But glad to read Schroeder is not on the list. Beverly really is the right guy. But Beverly won't cost Dudley - unless its Beverly/Wes J for Bender Dudley type of deal.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard


The easiest call on the board: Phoenix acquiring a point guard, either in free agency (Fred VanVleet is a name to watch) or via trade. The problem for Phoenix is that their best assets -- Booker, Deandre Ayton, Mikal Bridges -- are untouchable, and their young bigs (Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss) have limited trade value. Chriss was available on draft night, per league sources.

They can take small swings on guys like Jeremy Lin, Darren Collison, Cory Joseph, and Patrick Beverley -- a perfect fit next to Booker, though he is recovering from microfracture surgery -- packaging Bender and some salary filler (Jared Dudley). That is probably not enough for Rozier, another nice fit. Milos Teodosic is another name to watch -- a playmaker who would make Ayton's life much easier. But in the long run, the Suns need a plus defender next to Booker.

Bigger fish would require Phoenix sliding Josh Jackson into a trade. He is the swing piece, whether the Suns like or not. He puts Kemba Walker in play. Would a rebuilding Raptors team say no to Dudley, Tyson Chandler, and Jackson for Kyle Lowry? (I doubt Phoenix does that, but it makes you pause.) What about Mike Conley if the Grizz pull the plug (and Conley proves healthy)?

Phoenix has shown no interest so far in Dennis Schroder, sources say.

Enjoy the fun!









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Chriss available...I think that he is not gonna be a Sun next season.

Some team is gonna offer us decent value for him, a veteran like Beverley or a sign and trade for VanVleet.

Sad, Chriss is my favorite Current Sun. Please give Quese a chance.



I think Chriss for Beverly is actually to much to me. Unless the Suns Mgmt is just done with him. He is young - one more year for a rental PG seems like a bad use of Chriss

Now if the Raptors wanted Chriss for a multi year Van Fleet - more palatable trade of Chriss.

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