Trade and free agency speculation

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[lilfishi22]

So the question to me is. Have we already blown our load. We overpaid for Bridges( in terms of moving up, after some thought I’m ok with the move) and we just sign Okobo to a four year deal. Are we potentially done for the offseason? Can we bring Payton back? Do we simply take a swing at a restricted free agent (Marcus smart @ 10 mil/ multiple years) and move on? Do we look to grab assets in a three-way trade? Everyone is assuming we are looking for big trade, maybe we valued Mikal as a top 4 prospect and that’s our move.

We still have a boat load of cap space and free agency hasn't even opened yet so there's no way we could have 'blown our load' already. I think it's already been reported we're not bringing Payton or Len back. Hard pass on Smart but I'd like to take a look at VanVleet, Tyreke, Pat Bev and Collision if he's available.

I don't think most here are expecting a big trade at all. It might be in the cards but as currently constructed I think our FO just wants to build around the young guns rather with good vets rather than bringing in a star. Although if the opportunity came up, I wouldn't be surprised if McD seriously consider it since his job is likely on the line in the sense that what he does is this offseason will have the negative or positive impact in a season or two when his contract is up.

[lilfishi22]

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Dudes like him and Espo know EXACTLY what they're doing

[SuperSunsFan]

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Interesting choice for a favorite Suns player. Any particular reasons why you could share?

First he is a bright smart and funny kid, second he reminds me of Mcdyess, third he improved a lot defensively from his first season that tells me he care about his craft, fourth he is passionate, fifth he averaged near double double in the last 10 games or so of the last season which tells me he is on the verge of a third year breakout which is usually the year the light bulb turns on for most young players. Finally, I like the chemistry he has with Lindsey in this video. He has a very beautiful smile.

https://www.nba.com/suns/video/2018/03/07/nba-jam-chriss

That's cool.

Yeah, I'm still hopeful he can raise his game. I'll admit he does frustrate me, especially the lack of consistency. I know he has "it" in him, beyond his great physical abilities. I thought he had a great stretch of games in his rookie season (Christmas til about the all-star game). Not simply finishing, but he showed off some good passing wisdom, didn't get lost (much) on defense AND displayed consistency to a good degree. Then he took a couple steps backwards. Just hate it when he goes for the Griffin-esk slam and zoos it, when just putting the ball through the hope would be the better choice...posterizing be damned.

Hopeful, yet frustrated. Never hateful. Playing well at an NBA level isn't easy even if you're physically blessed. Gotta watch that diet though.

You're in a rather exclusive club to be sure. Hey! Just that much more beer and pretzels for you! I'm rooting for your Chriss fan club to grow..trust me!

lack of consistency is normal for young players and part of the growing up is to overcome the inconsistency. Joe Johnson was exactly like that. After playing so well for us in his first 5 games with us he actually went through lots of up and down before he began to establish consistency and played very well on a nightly basis after the Marbury trade. Barbosa, Markieff, and Warren all went through the same thing, not everyone is Amare or Booker who played well on day one. At least Marquese showed flashes of brilliance, I seriously believe we should be more patient with Marquese and Bender given how much of their first two seasons were wasted in the hand of one of the worst head coach in the history of the league.

[bwgood77]

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Not sure how Sidery is getting to $40M with Booker's extension included and TJ on the roster. The most I've been able to get us to is $30M, and that's after waiving/renouncing Dudley, Chandler, Sauce, Ulis, Reed, Peters, and Harrison and stretching Knight.

He has to be renouncing Chriss &/or Bender to get to 40

I can get to 33m. I wil say this - I am perfectly okay with giving the wrong players one year deals over giving the wrong players multi year deals.

The only way this is remotely possible is if we are waiting on the extension but the tweet doesn't read that way. Here is gets to $40 million.

I just tried it leaving Booker on the cap without extension but his current cap hold and got to $37, and that is getting rid of everyone that has an option, stretching Knight and not picking up Chriss' extension. If you don't pick up Bender's it gets over $40 but if Booker signs' his extension it reduces the cap hold by something like $12 million I think.

BUT, he could have been dealing our 1st round pick too....right now on capulator that is slated as a high pick so that hold is high.

You can see the moves I made here (by clicking on expand) and the guys who would be under contract and cap space in the 19-20 column. It also doesn't have Okobo in there. http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=20076004215b359206ed06b032945917

[Phnxsports]

I still have hope for Chriss and Bender. We all knew it would take time. I think the fact Chriss came into last year out of shape so badly accelerated everyone's disgust and that is understandable. I admit I am optimistic and hopefully he learned a lesson and the fact that Ayton coming in along with Igor will make a difference. I'm not quite ready to give up on him yet.

[DirtyDez]

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Hard to be believe no players from that era left as free agents when there was no free agency...

[bigfoot]

NBA needs a franchise tag. Keep these super teams from being put together.

[thamadkant]

Contract type should be limited to certain quantities per team.


Max / Star
Key Player 1
Key Player 2
Starter Player 1
Starter Player 2

And allocated max percentage of team cap per type.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

NBA needs a franchise tag. Keep these super teams from being put together.

Shhh! You can't ask to prohibit superteams just as we finish putting one together!

[timetoshinebaby]

In local level football (in Australia) they have a "points" cap as well as a "salary" cap.

Basically, each team has a salary cap they must stick to but must stay under the "points" cap.

How this works is each player is assigned a points value based on their ability, salary, experience, history etc.

Where I think it could be really handy for the NBA is that each team might have a 100 point limit, and if signing a maximum free agent is worth 40 points for example, teams would in reality be only able to sign two max free agents. So LA could sign Lebron and PG but would be prevented from signing Kawhi next season also when he is a FA. Where this works particularly well if Kawhi is traded to LA, he might be only worth 20 points so the Lakers would have to be fair and not do the, he will sign with us next season anyway line. However, LA even if they traded for Kawhi would be reduced to these three plus minimum contract guys. Makes it alot harder to build a super team through FA and threats to other teams.

It also means that a team who has a PG is more likely to get some value for their player than just scraps as the system doesn't work for them as the team would want to trade for them to stay under the points cap.

Obviously if players are traded for or drafted by a team, their point value is lower which works quiet well and encourages teams to come to the party and trade rather than this new trend of creating cap room and strong teams making 2-3 guys out.

[Sunsdeuce]

NBA needs a franchise tag. Keep these super teams from being put together.

The NFL has done a lot of things wrong but they have Free agency and Salary cap right. NBA should have the same type of rules. In the NFl if you are not playing up to your contract, you can get cut, should be the same way in the NBA. Also, yes there should be franchise tags, a hard salary cap (if you go over the cap in the NFL you lose draft picks and fines are issued to teams). I would love to see a change flag type of thing (I heard they are going to experiment with one in the nba preseason).

The NBA players are dictating everything right now and it’s a mess.

[WeekapaugGroove]

A hard cap and no max contact limits would solve most of the super team issue.

It would be facinting how much the true stars would get and how teams would build around them.

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[bwgood77]

Non guaranteed contracts would probably help the most. It's ridiculous that guys can sign a deal and basically not care anymore because they have their money for 4 years. It will never happen but it would make the league far more competitive if all teams could drop dead weight at any time. In the NFL, most every team has a chance every year to at least make the playoffs, and fewer teams make it....so you have that hope every year and with fewer games it makes games so much more meaningful.

[Villalobos]

i had an idea where you limit how many all-stars and mvps one team can sign/trade for

only one MVP (who won it in the last four or so years) on one team

only three all-stars on one team. maybe even do something like if you've got a MVP you can only sign one other all-star (no Heat superteam)

boom, right there, no Golden State super duper team. Durant never gets to join a 73 win Curry team

[AtheJ415]

i had an idea where you limit how many all-stars and mvps one team can sign/trade for

only one MVP (who won it in the last four or so years) on one team

only three all-stars on one team

boom, right there, no Golden State super duper team. Durant never gets to join a 73 win Curry team

Can't work because if you have 3 all stars or 1 MVP and somebody else on your team develops and becomes one, then you would have to dump a player.

[GetYourPHX]

Another offseason of this board believing insane twitter rumours.

Another offseason of looking past the flaws of board favorites (Jackson's shooting) and using the same argument to ship other players out (Warren) or convince everyone that another player is a terrible add (Ball).

Do you guys ever get tired of this?

The best player we can hope to add is IT. Marquee FAs aren't signing here. We're not pulling off a blockbuster trade. We're not that team and McD isn't that GM. I love the Suns, but sometimes it feels like this fanbase is one of the problems with this franchise.

[Son of Ra]

Another offseason of this board believing insane twitter rumours.

Another offseason of looking past the flaws of board favorites (Jackson's shooting) and using the same argument to ship other players out (Warren) or convince everyone that another player is a terrible add (Ball).

Do you guys ever get tired of this?

The best player we can hope to add is IT. Marquee FAs aren't signing here. We're not pulling off a blockbuster trade. We're not that team and McD isn't that GM. I love the Suns, but sometimes it feels like this fanbase is one of the problems with this franchise.

While probably mostly true, your attitude renders a forum like this pointless because this chatter is the point

[collidingNeurons]

Personally the idea of Lebron,PG and Leonard in LA doesn't bother me much, By the time the Suns hit their stride Lebron will be well past his prime and who knows how it will work out. The last super team LA fielded of Dwight,Nash and Kobe didn't go quite as envisioned, let them trade away their youth for a three year window and let GS, the Lakers and Rockets beat each other to death and by the time they are in decline hopefully the Suns will have reached their potential.... More concerned with Boston, Philly, Denver and Dallas than those teams