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Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M

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What's he worth?

13 million/yr
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27%
14 million/yr
19
15%
15 million/yr
20
15%
16 million/yr
27
21%
17 million/yr
15
11%
18+ million/yr
14
11%
 
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#781 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:44 pm

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Forgot about this game... I thought LaVine did a good job facilitating and, although you only see one or two examples here, did a good job moving without the basketball.


Yes.

He did.

A. This is the exception, not the rule. This is like the 5th time in this thread that someone has used a grudge game against his old to show what he CAN do. I don't expect anybody to be on 110% all the time. You have to pace yourself, but, I'd rather see this against a conference opponent, where the beneficiary is the team, rather than getting all jacked to prove a point about something that is no longer in his control anyway. Do that 'ish' to Boston, not Minnesota. That just says it's personal, and tells you where his head is at which, once again, is not the team.

The team got smoked as a whole despite the show he put on.

B. There was no 3-pt shooting in all of those highlights, and, again, it's not about the points, it's about how tight and cluttered the paint is with bodies because the defence doesn't have to respect it. You watch kids soccer and the reason it's hilarious is because it's just this dust cloud and herd of hoofs around the ball, wherever it goes. As you move up to the pro level, attackers maintain their spacing, get deep into the corner, kick across the face of goal so that cutters in the middle of the field can make shots on goal with 'assists' that come from behind the goalie, preventing him from seeing how the attackers are in formation. There is a geography to it.

You look at these players, and it's like 6th grade ball, because everybody knows the shot (or the pass) is going to happen beneath the top of the key. Your Guards have to be the primary ones doing this, because it is that rare to have bigs that can do it instead.

C. If we're cherry-picking good games:



You need to step off your soap box, it's not very "sensible". I was just posting a video from a game I had forgotten about, that's all.

The fact that this dude was coming off a torn ACL, had no training camp or reps with his teammates, and only played in 24 games doesn't lend to me, or any sincere/rational observer, a thorough analysis of Zach LaVine as a Chicago Bull. Management themselves said they didn't care about his numbers, they just wanted to get him back on the court and playing basketball.

He's 23 years old, and unless you think what you saw last season is the 'final product' I kindly ask that you settle down.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#782 » by Lauri_Legend » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:51 pm

On Zach Lowe's latest podcast with Kevin Arnovitz, Kevin kept on praising the Bulls management how they stayed disciplined during the cap spike and didn't commit to any long term big money contract. The worst they did was Felicio which isn't that bad. All this praise for having so much money for the 2019 FA.

Wouldn't matching Lavine at a 4yr $108M max from the Kings be extremely counterproductive? Save cap space for 2019 summer...but spend $108M on Lavine? Sounds like a bad contract coming out of 2016 FA
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#783 » by Lauri_Legend » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:52 pm

KC Johnson broke down Zach Lavine's contract situation.

Kings can currently afford 4yrs $80M (ideally Bulls match on this)

Kings can make room to offer 4yrs $108M

Bulls can offer a max of 5yrs $147M
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#784 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:22 pm

G Buckets wrote:Just amazes me that the reports were that the FO was high on LaVine when they made the trade but after he struggled a bit coming back from injury "mid season" and only "playing 20+ games" they become uncomfortable (Like wtf was anyone expecting?) in giving LaVine a contract.


That's just F'n dumb.


It's posturing. They don't want to say how much they love him (if they do) and that he was the centerpiece of the deal (which he was) before they sit down with his agent. That's just dumb negotiating.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#785 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:42 pm

Lauri_Legend wrote:KC Johnson broke down Zach Lavine's contract situation.

Kings can currently afford 4yrs $80M (ideally Bulls match on this)

Kings can make room to offer 4yrs $108M

Bulls can offer a max of 5yrs $147M


Sacramento has Buddy Hield on a cheap rookie contract and Bogdan Bogdanovic as well. Not sure why they'd want to make room to offer 4/$108M, let alone 4/$80M.

This will be fun to monitor moving forward... the competitor in me that believes in LaVine wants to see him make everyone that doubted him eat his words/kiss his feet :devil: :rock:
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#786 » by pipfan » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:48 pm

It would be a crazy move for the Kings to do-but they are a bad Org

I would take KCP over Lavine, if Lavine gets a big offer. Offer KCP 4/$40 (no one will top that) and we have an elite defensive backcourt
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#787 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:12 pm

Lauri_Legend wrote:On Zach Lowe's latest podcast with Kevin Arnovitz, Kevin kept on praising the Bulls management how they stayed disciplined during the cap spike and didn't commit to any long term big money contract. The worst they did was Felicio which isn't that bad. All this praise for having so much money for the 2019 FA.

Wouldn't matching Lavine at a 4yr $108M max from the Kings be extremely counterproductive? Save cap space for 2019 summer...but spend $108M on Lavine? Sounds like a bad contract coming out of 2016 FA


The Kings don't have $108 million to offer. They can offer about $80 million which we should match
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#788 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:35 pm

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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#789 » by fleet » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:46 pm

coldfish wrote:At the end of the day, I wouldn't be happy with any contract he would accept. Best outcome is a sign and trade for a crap contract plus draft picks.

This is the exact wrong time to get locked into any of these players. These days, GarPax would finally be justified putting more stock into their precious "flexibility". Stay fast and loose Bulls. Use that capspace on better bets or to aquire picks.

Bobby, IDK. Bobby is more borderline than Lavine is. Bobby is actually helping lately
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#790 » by Darius Miles Davis » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:47 pm

Lauri_Legend wrote:On Zach Lowe's latest podcast with Kevin Arnovitz, Kevin kept on praising the Bulls management how they stayed disciplined during the cap spike and didn't commit to any long term big money contract. The worst they did was Felicio which isn't that bad. All this praise for having so much money for the 2019 FA.

Wouldn't matching Lavine at a 4yr $108M max from the Kings be extremely counterproductive? Save cap space for 2019 summer...but spend $108M on Lavine? Sounds like a bad contract coming out of 2016 FA


In theory, I like the idea of us saving at least a max cap slot for 2019, but who is the max player we would want to sign and would have a chance to sign in 2019? Who is the reasonable target?


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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#791 » by weneeda2guard » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:55 pm

i dont mind matching 17 mill per. for lavine, i was hoping we could retain him between 16-18.

if the kings are dumb enough to clear all this space to give lavine 108 mill contract, then its been real lavine, enjoy your time in sacramento. hope they dont think they will be able to ever trade that deal at any point. lol
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#792 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:58 pm

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Smh. It was pretty simple.

He played 24 games which was midseason, on a new team with new teammates he never worked with "in game", no training camp, nothing.

That is going to cause struggles. individually and team wise.


You know what he showed us in those 24 games? He showed us how truly stupid he is. Since he was on a new team, coming off a serious injury, with "no camp, nothing", then why in the F was his usage almost 30%? Why was he jacking up 20 shots per 36 minutes. Why was he playing hero ball? Why? When he was sucking complete and total ass. He plays like a moron. He has for four years now. See, when a smart player is struggling he doesn't increase his usage and shots by 25%. Smh, it's really pretty simple.


His usage going up was more so Imo frustration. He came back with a lot of hype and he played well the first few games then he started struggling then forced the issue, he's a scorer, that is his game. That is something he'll have to learn as he gains experience.

Also, a lot of players are told to keep shooting until the shots start going in when struggling, maybe the coaches kept encouraging him to shoot? Not like this team was trying to win.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#793 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:59 pm

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Meaning LaVine will no doubt be back in a Bulls uniform.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#794 » by bennjuiced34 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:00 pm

I'm not sure what's so hard to evaluate about LaVine. 22 games or not. He's a poor defender who can't create for teammates.

What he can do is score and that's where his potential is. Should be coming off the bench as a 6th man.

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Post#795 » by fleet » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:02 pm

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Meaning LaVine will no doubt be back in a Bulls uniform.

17 million for Zach Lavine. Goodness gracious. There ought to be doubt.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#796 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:12 pm

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Meaning LaVine will no doubt be back in a Bulls uniform.

17 million for Zach Lavine. Goodness gracious. There ought to be doubt.


There is risk in play but I see no free agent coming here anytime soon. And the team is in a good place cap wise.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#797 » by MisterRoy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:14 pm

G Buckets wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
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Smh. It was pretty simple.

He played 24 games which was midseason, on a new team with new teammates he never worked with "in game", no training camp, nothing.

That is going to cause struggles. individually and team wise.


You know what he showed us in those 24 games? He showed us how truly stupid he is. Since he was on a new team, coming off a serious injury, with "no camp, nothing", then why in the F was his usage almost 30%? Why was he jacking up 20 shots per 36 minutes. Why was he playing hero ball? Why? When he was sucking complete and total ass. He plays like a moron. He has for four years now. See, when a smart player is struggling he doesn't increase his usage and shots by 25%. Smh, it's really pretty simple.


His usage going up was more so Imo frustration. He came back with a lot of hype and he played well the first few games then he started struggling then forced the issue, he's a scorer, that is his game. That is something he'll have to learn as he gains experience.

Also, a lot of players are told to keep shooting until the shots start going in when struggling, maybe the coaches kept encouraging him to shoot? Not like this team was trying to win.

I was wondering if he was told to shoot as much as he did. However, what Pax said about him needing to be a better basketball player made me take pause on that.


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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#798 » by Truebiscuit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:16 pm

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Meaning LaVine will no doubt be back in a Bulls uniform.

17 million for Zach Lavine. Goodness gracious. There ought to be doubt.


Evan Fournier is set to make $17M next season
Evan Turner $17.1M
Wesley Matthews $17.9M
Ryan Anderson $19.6M

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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#799 » by Betta Bulleavit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:17 pm

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Lauri_Legend wrote:On Zach Lowe's latest podcast with Kevin Arnovitz, Kevin kept on praising the Bulls management how they stayed disciplined during the cap spike and didn't commit to any long term big money contract. The worst they did was Felicio which isn't that bad. All this praise for having so much money for the 2019 FA.

Wouldn't matching Lavine at a 4yr $108M max from the Kings be extremely counterproductive? Save cap space for 2019 summer...but spend $108M on Lavine? Sounds like a bad contract coming out of 2016 FA


In theory, I like the idea of us saving at least a max cap slot for 2019, but who is the max player we would want to sign and would have a chance to sign in 2019? Who is the reasonable target?


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The most desirable one would be Klay Thompson, whom I happen to believe is going to be more "in play" than what most people would like to think.

Having said that, we also have to consider the guys that won't be free agents but could still be on the move. It helps to be able to absorb their salary without having to send out bad contracts to muddle up potential deals. AD, KAT, Kyrie for example.
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Re: Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M 

Post#800 » by Betta Bulleavit » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:19 pm

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Meaning LaVine will no doubt be back in a Bulls uniform.

17 million for Zach Lavine. Goodness gracious. There ought to be doubt.

Many of us might not like it as fans. But the truth of the matter is that it's not nearly as crazy of a deal as it would initially seem once you put it into context. Furthermore, we can afford to sign Zach to that type of deal and still have max salary space, which is really the most important thing from a risk perspective.

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