Trade and free agency speculation

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The Brazilian KD is officially available!

He’s still 2 years away.

[WeekapaugGroove]

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/06/there-isnt-a-shortage-of-interest-in-parker/

Besides Sacrament and Philadelphia, some other teams that have surfaced as potential landing spots for Parker Chicago, Utah, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix and Brooklyn. The latter team has been quite active in free agency in recent years, including having extended a max offer to small forward Otto Porter, which Washington matched. The Nets also made a huge offer to guard Tyler Johnson, which Miami matched.

Apparently we're among the teams with interest in Jabari according to this Bucks guy

Woelfel is an idiot who likes to throw a bunch of **** at the wall... Sometimes it does stick though.

Appears he just listed all the teams with space.

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[darealjuice]

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/06/there-isnt-a-shortage-of-interest-in-parker/

Besides Sacrament and Philadelphia, some other teams that have surfaced as potential landing spots for Parker Chicago, Utah, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix and Brooklyn. The latter team has been quite active in free agency in recent years, including having extended a max offer to small forward Otto Porter, which Washington matched. The Nets also made a huge offer to guard Tyler Johnson, which Miami matched.

Apparently we're among the teams with interest in Jabari according to this Bucks guy

Woelfel is an idiot who likes to throw a bunch of **** at the wall... Sometimes it does stick though.

Appears he just listed all the teams with space.

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Yeah that's the gist I got from reading other Bucks fans talk about him in the past. I just figured it'd be more interesting than discussing some of the players we have been recently lol.

[WeekapaugGroove]

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2018/06/there-isnt-a-shortage-of-interest-in-parker/



Apparently we're among the teams with interest in Jabari according to this Bucks guy

Woelfel is an idiot who likes to throw a bunch of **** at the wall... Sometimes it does stick though.

Appears he just listed all the teams with space.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

Yeah that's the gist I got from reading other Bucks fans talk about him in the past. I just figured it'd be more interesting than discussing some of the players we have been recently lol.

It probably should be noted he has kind of had scoops on jabari in the past so might have a line to his agent. That can be taken two ways, maybe he has real info or maybe he's helping his agent by talking up teams interest level of their client.

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[bwgood77]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

He's a tough player, has over a 3-1 ast/to ratio which is pretty rare, and shot 41.4% from 3. He is a plus defender and just a smart experienced player for a 2 year guy having played for an always tough (especially when he was there) Wichita St team.

Advanced stats love him. Many say RAPM is the best way to assess on court impact, and Fred Van Vleet ranked 11th overall last year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

For espn's RPM, he ranked 10th among point guards... http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1 Pretty much all the names ahead of him have been all stars at some point.

He's just a really solid player who doesn't make mistakes, shoots well, passes well, and defends pretty well and might be had at a fairly reasonable cost.

[Saberestar]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

He's a tough player, has over a 3-1 ast/to ratio which is pretty rare, and shot 41.4% from 3. He is a plus defender and just a smart experienced player for a 2 year guy having played for an always tough (especially when he was there) Wichita St team.

Advanced stats love him. Many say RAPM is the best way to assess on court impact, and Fred Van Vleet ranked 11th overall last year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

For espn's RPM, he ranked 10th among point guards... http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1 Pretty much all the names ahead of him have been all stars at some point.

He's just a really solid player who doesn't make mistakes, shoots well, passes well, and defends pretty well and might be had at a fairly reasonable cost.

I would be OK giving him a $24M / 3 years contract.

[bwgood77]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

He backed up Lowry so there is that thought of can he handle starter or close to starter minutes - but the defense from what I recall is solid and the shooting pct like you said from 3 pt is good.

The Cavs went after him whenever he was on the floor in the playoffs. It's the problem you face with even great defensive small guards - can't recover to shooters, can't handle big wings on a switch. But then again, there aren't a ton of PGs out there that don't have this problem (but see Holliday, Smart), and for the most part, they try to compensate with great outside shooting (see Curry, Collinson, VanVleet).

Yeah, LeBron was doing that throughout the playoffs...purposely switching on small guys and taking advantage...even to Curry. I don't know if that's the best way to assess him. Almost anyone smaller than LeBron would have a problem guarding him on a switch...barely anyone can guard him period.

[bwgood77]

For the reasons you list about Van Fleet, Collison, smaller PGs - Suns have to at least make a call to Smart. I get the shot - what 30% ---its pretty bad. But the defense is there, floor general stuff or was that Stevens. Still , worth a call

Beverly - truly the best target next to Booker. Wonder what the Clippers would take. One year deal - but he would be ideal.

It's not just pretty bad. It is the worst shot for a PG in 30 years. Modern basketball has not seen a worse shooting PG. Not just that but his passing is not great and neither are his turnovers, so yeah, he's a disaster on offense.

VanVleet is a really good defender. The gap between his defense and Smart's is not what you would think, although Smart is obviously fantastic on that end. Meanwhile, the gap between the 2 offensively is enormous.

I knew Smarts FG percentage was bad - just didn't know worst over that period. So based on your FVF write up - he is back in the mix with Beverly . Thanks for the information

Yeah, his TS% for his career is the same as Jackson's was as a rookie. This past year it was a tad less 47.9% vs 48%

[bwgood77]

I’m not as much of a believer in the 76ers future as everyone else. They should go in for 1 year of Kawhi and trade the MIA pick plus. Otherwise I don’t see them getting past a healthy Boston team.

I'm still surprised they didn't just keep Bridges even if they got good value. He fit their team like a glove, and I feel SA might prefer getting a guy like Bridges back over a raw guard and a pick 3 years away if they had to choose. Philly is finally ready to compete now and they make that trade still kind of a head scratcher if they want to compete despite getting good value.

[BobbieL]

I don't understand the VanVleet love.I was listening to 98.7 yesterday, and one of the host was gushing about this guy.Went and looked up his stats.....8 pts 3 assist and 42% FG

That's not all that impressive.His 3pt numbers look good, but still.What am I missing here?

He's a tough player, has over a 3-1 ast/to ratio which is pretty rare, and shot 41.4% from 3. He is a plus defender and just a smart experienced player for a 2 year guy having played for an always tough (especially when he was there) Wichita St team.

Advanced stats love him. Many say RAPM is the best way to assess on court impact, and Fred Van Vleet ranked 11th overall last year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

For espn's RPM, he ranked 10th among point guards... http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1 Pretty much all the names ahead of him have been all stars at some point.

He's just a really solid player who doesn't make mistakes, shoots well, passes well, and defends pretty well and might be had at a fairly reasonable cost.

I would be OK giving him a $24M / 3 years contract.

I like those numbers for a contract. I just don't want a Crabbe or Johnson contract for Fred Van Fleet -- seems risky for future years for a player that really is going to be complimentary though better than what he had though. Granted Bledsoe and Knight both got 70/5 so ....

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Please stop putting an 'F' in VanVleet's last name, people. Thanks.

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Part of the reason I want to move Daniels - beside the cap space - is I want to see what Shaq and Reed have long term. I know what Daniels can do and does for the team. 15 spaces are filling up quickly so if one of the three expirings are traded - could benefit the team both with the player received &/or cap space.

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He was such a huge reach of a pick.

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He was such a huge reach of a pick.

Gambo actually got this one correct (this was a scoop) and to this day, with Jordan Bell sitting right there and having another late round pick - doesn't make sense. I just think of Bell along side Jackson and thought they could be like the SPider and Worm on defense for those Pistons teams.

[bwgood77]

VanVleet had the benefit of playing with a lot of solid defenders (i.e., not a lot of time on the court with Val), most teams don't tailor their game plans to each matchup, and most teams don't have enough talent to really exploit the occasional shorty on any given night.

Things change in the playoffs, though. At even money, Smart >>> VanVleet, easy call. But the money won't be even, because NBA GM's aren't fools.

So, based on your assessment of Smart - what Stretch 4 makes sense - a more offense oriented or would Mbah Moute still work. Suns aren't getting say Ariza and Smart unless deals are TRULY a lot less or the Suns make a trade moving say Daniels and Chriss for instance to get 6m more cap space.

Bertans, Bjelica, Jeff Green, Ilyasova, in that order. I think we already have two stretch 4s on the roster in Bender and Bridges (if Ariza and Mbah a Moute are 4s, then so is Bridges). But neither of those guys is a "true" stretch 4, by which I mean a guy who takes quick shots whenever offered and whose range extends a couple feet beyond the 3 point line.

If they'd be willing to compensate us for taking on a bad contract, you could include Marvin Williams and Kelly Olynyk. Perhaps the Jazz would be willing to part with Jerebko on the cheap.

Bridges is more of a 3 now and probably closer to a 2 than a 4. Mbah a Moute is more of TJ's size (6'8, 230). Ariza is more of a SF anyway....but is still 6'8, 215 and a savvy vet so when they go super small he can play some 4.

I don't doubt Bridges will guard some 4s but it's not ideal unless it's those types of guys.

[bwgood77]

VanVleet had the benefit of playing with a lot of solid defenders (i.e., not a lot of time on the court with Val), most teams don't tailor their game plans to each matchup, and most teams don't have enough talent to really exploit the occasional shorty on any given night.

Things change in the playoffs, though. At even money, Smart >>> VanVleet, easy call. But the money won't be even, because NBA GM's aren't fools.

So, based on your assessment of Smart - what Stretch 4 makes sense - a more offense oriented or would Mbah Moute still work. Suns aren't getting say Ariza and Smart unless deals are TRULY a lot less or the Suns make a trade moving say Daniels and Chriss for instance to get 6m more cap space.

Bertans, Bjelica, Jeff Green, Ilyasova, in that order. I think we already have two stretch 4s on the roster in Bender and Bridges (if Ariza and Mbah a Moute are 4s, then so is Bridges). But neither of those guys is a "true" stretch 4, by which I mean a guy who takes quick shots whenever offered and whose range extends a couple feet beyond the 3 point line.

If they'd be willing to compensate us for taking on a bad contract, you could include Marvin Williams and Kelly Olynyk. Perhaps the Jazz would be willing to part with Jerebko on the cheap.

Bridges is more of a 3 now and probably closer to a 2 than a 4. Mbah a Moute is more of TJ's size (6'8, 230). Ariza is more of a SF anyway....but is still 6'8, 215 and a savvy vet so when they go super small he can play some 4.

I don't doubt Bridges will guard some 4s but it's not ideal unless it's those types of guys.

[darealjuice]

Injuries happen. Reach or not, if Reed can't show that he'll be the same player after tearing his meniscus then do what you gotta do. He was promising last year at Summer League for what it's worth, so maybe he'll show he deserves a spot this year.

[BobbieL]

So, based on your assessment of Smart - what Stretch 4 makes sense - a more offense oriented or would Mbah Moute still work. Suns aren't getting say Ariza and Smart unless deals are TRULY a lot less or the Suns make a trade moving say Daniels and Chriss for instance to get 6m more cap space.

Bertans, Bjelica, Jeff Green, Ilyasova, in that order. I think we already have two stretch 4s on the roster in Bender and Bridges (if Ariza and Mbah a Moute are 4s, then so is Bridges). But neither of those guys is a "true" stretch 4, by which I mean a guy who takes quick shots whenever offered and whose range extends a couple feet beyond the 3 point line.

If they'd be willing to compensate us for taking on a bad contract, you could include Marvin Williams and Kelly Olynyk. Perhaps the Jazz would be willing to part with Jerebko on the cheap.

Bridges is more of a 3 now and probably closer to a 2 than a 4. Mbah a Moute is more of TJ's size (6'8, 230). Ariza is more of a SF anyway....but is still 6'8, 215 and a savvy vet so when they go super small he can play some 4.

I don't doubt Bridges will guard some 4s but it's not ideal unless it's those types of guys.

Suns should be able to get either Ariza or Mbah a Moute. Granted, the PG position and how much that person is paid will factor. But these are two good options. Sunday we should know where the Suns are headed.

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Ariza would be ideal. I thought he was joining the Warriors?