Trade and free agency speculation

Revived · Post #1901 » by **Revived** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:21 am

I would be cool if the only move the Suns made was trade next year’s unprotected 2nd rd pick and Reed for Patrick Beverly. Reed is almost late first rd pick so LAC could find value in him.

The more I think of it, it’s hard to know what this team needs until they actually play. This team is already so different. I think it would be smart to hold on to TJ Warren till season and realize what the weakness of the team is and then maybe trade him as a valuable trade chip to find a replacement for that weakness.

The way this team is currently constructed is actually pretty good except for the need for a starting PG and a backup C because Tyson is too injury prone and we would be screwed if Ayton gets injured with the current shape of the roster.

Renounce, Ulis and Alan Williams. Trade for Beverly (or sign FVV). Sign a backup C.

Next season our team becomes

PG/Knight
Booker/Bridges
Jackson/Warren
Bender/Chriss or Dudley
Ayton/Backup C or Chandler

JoRain · Post #1902 » by **JoRain** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:29 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
tanksonbaby wrote:I think the Suns will attempt to sign Avery Bradley or Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Nemanja Bjelica. They can create the cap space if needed by starting to stretch guys like Dudley and Chandler. Yes, I don't want them back.
Bjelica is a very real possibility and not a bad choice.

KCP? Haven't seen his name thrown around. I don't hate him as a player but how would he fit?

I'm not a Bradley fan at all and he's not a pg but I guess if he strikes out in fa and comes cheap then sure. Best part of signing him is the suns would need to do some fun/weird **** like play Jackson at pg.

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If Suns like someone like Bjelica, they should better go after someone like Bertans from Spurs. He's younger, more athletic, better defender and great shooter. and he would be cheaper as well.

Agree on Bradley, but if Suns are going after a PG, I still prefer Exum over all the other suggestions here.

Blonde · Post #1903 » by **Blonde** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:24 pm

Remember last year when it looked like Norman Powell was poised to break out on the Raptors? He was an important guy in their closing lineups, even playing with starters at times. Then the raptors extended him to around 10million per and he regressed and practically fell out of the rotation? Yeah... don’t spend big money on Fred VanVleet.

Jwetz83 · Post #1904 » by **Jwetz83** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:33 pm

Revived wrote:I would be cool if the only move the Suns made was trade next year’s unprotected 2nd rd pick and Reed for Patrick Beverly. Reed is almost late first rd pick so LAC could find value in him.

The more I think of it, it’s hard to know what this team needs until they actually play. This team is already so different. I think it would be smart to hold on to TJ Warren till season and realize what the weakness of the team is and then maybe trade him as a valuable trade chip to find a replacement for that weakness.

The way this team is currently constructed is actually pretty good except for the need for a starting PG and a backup C because Tyson is too injury prone and we would be screwed if Ayton gets injured with the current shape of the roster.

Renounce, Ulis and Alan Williams. Trade for Beverly (or sign FVV). Sign a backup C.

Next season our team becomes

PG/Knight
Booker/Bridges
Jackson/Warren
Bender/Chriss or Dudley
Ayton/Backup C or Chandler

I think you know what your weaknesses are.

The suns need to upgrade the point guard position and power forward position.

I see Booker and Ayton locked at their position.

Jackson and Bridges are your sf and the other one is a valuable bench piece.

Knight is probably a back up point guard.

Bender and Chriss are bench players or busts at this point.

Warren to me doesn’t fit the ideal bench player. So do I give him away, no. But am I actively looking to move him. absolutely. I’m looking for an upgrade at power forward or point or I’m looking for players that fit the bench roles, while keeping the books clear.

King4Day · Post #1905 » by **King4Day** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:37 pm

Some guy finally broke up the LeBron Kawhi Leonard talk on NBA Radio by asking about the sun's. He suggested the suns get a point guard like the ones we've been hearing about or trading for Kevin Love and doing all this helping the sun's make a playoff push. The announcers were idiots and basically brushed him off and suggested Suns go after someone like Jeff Green or Trevor Booker. I don't have a problem with broadcasters disagreeing but these guys have no interest in talking Suns and clearly have no knowledge about what the situation is. They basically laughed at the idea that Bridges could become special.

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JoRain · Post #1906 » by **JoRain** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:52 pm

This is an interesting read - https://hoopshype.com/2018/06/29/nba-agents-analyze-dry-market-many-of-us-will-be-fired-this-summer/
good reason for Suns to try to capitalize this summer. I think a lot of teams also will be waiting for next year and will be hesitant to spend even on their own RFA, so if we go all in, Suns could do some damage

Steel Spur · Post #1907 » by **Steel Spur** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:51 pm

Pau for a second round pick? Could he mentor your new and on the cusp bigs then let go next year? His salary is partially guaranteed next year.

Waylay13 · Post #1908 » by **Waylay13** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:55 pm

Steel Spur wrote:Pau for a second round pick? Could he mentor your new and on the cusp bigs then let go next year? His salary is partially guaranteed next year.

We have Tyson Chandler for that.

Steel Spur · Post #1909 » by **Steel Spur** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:59 pm

hmmm Looks like he's a free agent next year so, maybe let Tyson go and keep Pau until just before the fully guaranteed date?

BobbieL · Post #1910 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:06 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
wheezy wrote:The Suns have had roster turnover issues almost every year this decade. I think the most prudent move is to stand pat. If BK is healthy there's a non-zero chance he's better than any of the free agent pg's people have been discussing on the board (and honestly he may be better than all of them besides PBev). If not then the 2019 FA group should be better. At least at that point the team would have a better idea of what we have going forward. No reason to blow our load this offseason when the team is already primed to be better than last year.

I take a hard look at Bev first. I think the Clips will not guarantee him. They just drafted two point guards and re-signed Lou Williams. They will also let Teodosic go (but I don't want him).

It's hard to know how healthy Beverley is though and I don't know what to do about physical. Then I would monitor Tyreke and maybe VanVleet and maybe inquire about Hill...if we could give up some salary to get him but give the Cavs some salary relief...but not sure they'd want Chandler or Dudley even though it saves them money...but they did draft Sexton.

And then Hill is an expiring...but he has played under Koko and is a solid vet and good 3 pt shooter. Knight might be ok but is still coming off injury and was pretty terrible last time he played.

It's a lot of money for Hill but I think all we need is a vet PG and if he gives us our cap space back next summer it's a better option than signing someone for multiple years, even if it's only $10 million a year.

I go Beverly first as well. Of course, just not sure about the injury but maybe it costs a second rounder. Personally, if the Suns could do Daniels for Beverly - would call that a win - because it limits cap space being use. It offsets Beverly 5 with Daniels

Second option is Hill. I know he makes 19m but if you can use say Dudley/Daneils 12.7 to offset his 19 - throw in a second rounder - the CAvs save 7m. Though not under the cap -- if they don't have lebron maybe they want to save money. Chandler and Daniels would be better but that might cost more than a 2nd

Third is Tyreke Hill - if the Suns have money for Van Vleet - I am callin on Tyreke

Fourth - Fred but on a good deal. Not a Sidery deal.

Per this tweet from Aldrige - Lowry would be available. Knight, Chandler, Daniels for Lowry would save the Raptors 16m next year but would put the Suns in a cap jam for one year though I do like Lowry: tough, leader, good player. Would need to replace Knight - Beverly for 5m

SEcond Lowry option if the Suns feel Knight is a better option than Warren and the RAptors want Warren moving forward: Warren, Chandler, Dudley for Lowry and two non guaranteed deals for the math to work. Raptors get a young piece to go with Van Vleet -- the rebuild starts, also saves them 20m next year . I actually like the second option as TJ seems to not have a role and a back court of Booker Lowry and Knight might be okay. Lowry is a good tough alpha leader point guard. and the Raptors are hosed next year if they keep Lowry, Val, DeRozan and Ibaka

Suns though would have 10m of cap space to get a stretch 4 though this year.

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BobbieL · Post #1911 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:10 pm

Steel Spur wrote:hmmm Looks like he's a free agent next year so, maybe let Tyson go and keep Pau until just before the fully guaranteed date?

I might do Chandler and Daniels for Pau. Saves the Spurs some money in 19/20 as both Daniels and Chandler are expring. There was talk of Simmons for Chandler last year before it got nixed.

Suns could than sign a guy like Pachulia for very cheap to go with Williams

One move I would like to see - if Williams is renounced - Kevon Looney for like 2/14 or something. HIs defense behind Ayton I think would be beneficial.

jredsaz · Post #1912 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:15 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:KCP is Klutch?
If so no thanks... shame he would fit in as a defensive guard who can shoot.

I have a feeling its Smart... just waiting announcement and July 1.

Why?

Because as mentioned, he is inspirational and battles anyone on the court.... that is HUGE for young players to have around. Like on the battle field, brave soldiers giving it all inspire his/her team and others.... Smart does that. His work ethic will rub on the young.

Shooting wise, he may not hit shots consecutive games, but he is not ashamed to take shots and he will make some of them.

But the key is.... the team needs a Draymond Green type character who is loud, a fighter, hustles, makes huge plays in the defensive end.... and Smart is it.... he would inspire the young players to work hard. And I think McD sees this...

This is a big part of why he is a bad player. You would rather him not shoot. Not until the clock is running down. He has an overall negative DBPM + OBPM because he is that bad offensively. He gives up 7 more points per 100 than his team scores when he is on the court. His VORP is BARELY positive. I just don't see the argument for him being this key piece that requires a big contract. In fact, I have yet to see convincing evidence that he is anything more than an average player AT BEST.

He had the 19th best RPM for shooting guards and 14th most wins. He took a big step in his efficiency this past season posting a .561 TS%. He isn't a key cog on a team but I think he is a good sixth man with shooting and defensive acumen. I'm fine with him as an option.

BobbieL · Post #1913 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:19 pm

JoRain wrote:This is an interesting read - https://hoopshype.com/2018/06/29/nba-agents-analyze-dry-market-many-of-us-will-be-fired-this-summer/
good reason for Suns to try to capitalize this summer. I think a lot of teams also will be waiting for next year and will be hesitant to spend even on their own RFA, so if we go all in, Suns could do some damage

For the above reason - if there are deals to be had - even lettings Williams go, maybe finding a taker for Daniels and if you are truly done with Chriss - might be ways to expand the cap to get two solid pieces on VERY go deals.

JohnVancouver · Post #1914 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:35 pm

Apparently the Republic reported a deal in the works where you guys take Deng and get Ball - you put any faith in that? Seems weird to me -

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #1915 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:55 pm

I would put out an offer for Exum. Just not sure what it would take. Otherwise I'd go for Beverly.

gaspar · Post #1916 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:24 pm

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jredsaz · Post #1917 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:27 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:Apparently the Republic reported a deal in the works where you guys take Deng and get Ball - you put any faith in that? Seems weird to me -

The front office loved Ball as a prospect last draft. He would have been their pick had they stayed at #2. So, yeah, I think there is some truth to the Suns being interested in Ball. But given the injury news and Dengs contract I dont know how they feel about it now.

jredsaz · Post #1918 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:34 pm

Shabazz Napier became a UFA yesterday. He and Van Fleet have shockingly similar numbers across the board. Fred is the better player. He is the younger player. But if I can get Napier at close to the minimum and Van Fleet costs the reported 10-15 per, then Napier all day every day no question.

gaspar · Post #1919 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:35 pm

jredsaz wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:Apparently the Republic reported a deal in the works where you guys take Deng and get Ball - you put any faith in that? Seems weird to me -

The front office loved Ball as a prospect last draft. He would have been their pick had they stayed at #2. So, yeah, I think there is some truth to the Suns being interested in Ball. But given the injury news and Dengs contract I dont know how they feel about it now.

What makes you think so?

jredsaz · Post #1920 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:37 pm

gaspar wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:Apparently the Republic reported a deal in the works where you guys take Deng and get Ball - you put any faith in that? Seems weird to me -

The front office loved Ball as a prospect last draft. He would have been their pick had they stayed at #2. So, yeah, I think there is some truth to the Suns being interested in Ball. But given the injury news and Dengs contract I dont know how they feel about it now.

What makes you think so?

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.