Trade and free agency speculation

[gaspar]

Shabazz Napier became a UFA yesterday. He and Van Fleet have shockingly similar numbers across the board. Fred is the better player. He is the younger player. But if I can get Napier at close to the minimum and Van Fleet costs the reported 10-15 per, then Napier all day every day no question.

Napier is a 6-1 shooting guard. Canaan is a better point guard than Napier.

[gaspar]

The front office loved Ball as a prospect last draft. He would have been their pick had they stayed at #2. So, yeah, I think there is some truth to the Suns being interested in Ball. But given the injury news and Dengs contract I dont know how they feel about it now.

What makes you think so?

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?

[jredsaz]

Shabazz Napier became a UFA yesterday. He and Van Fleet have shockingly similar numbers across the board. Fred is the better player. He is the younger player. But if I can get Napier at close to the minimum and Van Fleet costs the reported 10-15 per, then Napier all day every day no question.

Napier is a 6-1 shooting guard. Canaan is a better point guard than Napier.

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

[gaspar]

Shabazz Napier became a UFA yesterday. He and Van Fleet have shockingly similar numbers across the board. Fred is the better player. He is the younger player. But if I can get Napier at close to the minimum and Van Fleet costs the reported 10-15 per, then Napier all day every day no question.

Napier is a 6-1 shooting guard. Canaan is a better point guard than Napier.

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

[jredsaz]

What makes you think so?

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/

https://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-suns-talking-trade-with-lakers-celtics-for-lonzo-ball/

Gambo wouldn't shut up about it either.

[jredsaz]

Napier is a 6-1 shooting guard. Canaan is a better point guard than Napier.

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

Lol. Why is that?

[TeamTragic]

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/

https://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-suns-talking-trade-with-lakers-celtics-for-lonzo-ball/

Gambo wouldn't shut up about it either.

That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.

[sunsbum]

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

Lol. Why is that?

Napier was putting up some pretty awesome numbers before the AS break. I think he was dealing with some nagging injuries but I'm not 100% on that. I'm a big shabazz fan and I think he would be an absolute steal for 3m a year. He's not a 6'1 sg.

[BobbieL]

Napier is a 6-1 shooting guard. Canaan is a better point guard than Napier.

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.

[jredsaz]

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.

I think Bev on a NJ one year deal looks like the best option. My point was Napier out up similar numbers to Van Fleet in a back up role last season. Van Fleet is the better player and significantly more efficient. But if I have to pay 4/40 for van fleet and 1/3 for Napier i don't think about it too long.

[jredsaz]

Some examples?

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/

https://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-suns-talking-trade-with-lakers-celtics-for-lonzo-ball/

Gambo wouldn't shut up about it either.

That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.

Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.

[jredsaz]

Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.

And Milos is an awful defender. Napier can play on that side of the floor. Not a stopper by any means but he competes.

[BobbieL]

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.

I think Bev on a NJ one year deal looks like the best option. My point was Napier out up similar numbers to Van Fleet in a back up role last season. Van Fleet is the better player and significantly more efficient. But if I have to pay 4/40 for van fleet and 1/3 for Napier i don't think about it too long.

I will agree with you there. When I see the number being thrown out for Van Vleet - I think who is NOT doing their homework. Tight market, limited cap space - who is giving him that kind of jack. Only a handful of teams even have the large MLE Granted, if Beverly released - teams might offer. But if you are the Clippers and the Suns offer a second for the guy - you might just take it as opposed to outright releasing him. or maybe Daniels to get a shooter on an expiring saving 2m in the process.

I truly think Beverly should be the top target. Plus, he won't be expensive next year if need be. I think he would be cheaper than FVV, allowing Okbo another year.

[darealjuice]

The only guards I'm interested in from the FA are Tyreke Evans, Fred VanVleet, Rajon Rondo, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, and Shabazz Napier, but none of them move the needle enough to give over $10M/year over multiple years. We're reportedly not interested in Rondo and Smart, Bradley and Evans are more shooting/combo guard than point guard, and VanVleet and Napier are not proven starters.

Ersan Ilyasova and Trevor Ariza are the only veteran forwards that were interesting to me, but Ariza is more of a wing. I wouldn't mind giving Ilyasova a 1 year contract. Mario Hezonja is an interesting option that showed improvement and played some 4 for Orlando this year, but he's more of a flier than an immediate contributor. I'm not a big Julius Randle Fan, and he'll probably be too expensive for us. Aaron Gordon is somewhat interesting, but certainly not for a max contract. Jabari Parker is a gamble after his ACL surgeries, and I'm not sure how much I like his fit as a poor defender on our already bad defensive team.

It'll be interesting to see what we do. The free agent class is pretty weak, especially at the positions we are looking at. I'd prefer short term contracts to maintain cap space for when we're attractive to free agents.

[jredsaz]

If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.

I think Bev on a NJ one year deal looks like the best option. My point was Napier out up similar numbers to Van Fleet in a back up role last season. Van Fleet is the better player and significantly more efficient. But if I have to pay 4/40 for van fleet and 1/3 for Napier i don't think about it too long.

I will agree with you there. When I see the number being thrown out for Van Vleet - I think who is NOT doing their homework. Tight market, limited cap space - who is giving him that kind of jack. Only a handful of teams even have the large MLE Granted, if Beverly released - teams might offer. But if you are the Clippers and the Suns offer a second for the guy - you might just take it as opposed to outright releasing him. or maybe Daniels to get a shooter on an expiring saving 2m in the process.

I truly think Beverly should be the top target. Plus, he won't be expensive next year if need be. I think he would be cheaper than FVV, allowing Okbo another year.

I love everything about Beverly except for his knee. If he can play at 80% of what he did with Houston he is perfect fit next season. Love his demeanor.

[carey]

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?

You can use google, right?

I hate when people do this. You're just as capable of searching for it as he is. You're the one that doesn't believe him. Take 60 seconds and do it yourself.

[jredsaz]

The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?

You can use google, right?

I hate when people do this. You're just as capable of searching for it as he is. You're the one that doesn't believe him. Take 60 seconds and do it yourself.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c33f799c5b430970809f71fbcd00a549/tenor.gif?itemid=5118213

[stoo]

i'm not sure what veteran means in nba, but i am having a feeling that here is a lot of discussion about players not fitting that category, despite all of the sun's officials many times said they are looking for a veteran PF and a veteran PG. Maybe considering their opinion and wishes would clarify some of your guessing and calculating

[TOO]

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M

Lol. Why is that?

Napier was putting up some pretty awesome numbers before the AS break. I think he was dealing with some nagging injuries but I'm not 100% on that. I'm a big shabazz fan and I think he would be an absolute steal for 3m a year. He's not a 6'1 sg.

Disagree. He's not necessarily a SG in the true sense no, he's a combo guard, who is far better at getting himself involved than getting others involved. We don't need another bland score 1st PG/combo guard. Shabazz Napier is basically Jerryd Bayless but younger.

[bwgood77]

Third is Tyreke Hill - if the Suns have money for Van Vleet - I am callin on Tyreke

He's a little short though, and under contract with the Chiefs.