Trade and free agency speculation

[Kerrsed]

VanVleet is a career back-up player. The guy has such a small NBA sample size and the only, ONLY game he started in his NBA career he averaged:

8/1/2 on 22/14/75 in 33 minutes

Why would we pay any kinda of money for some1 who is sooooooo unproven.

Kinda an oxymoron that you call a guy a career back-up player....then talk about his small sample-size due to him only playing two seasons.

I guess Harden is a career back-up player as well, seeming how he came off the bench his first 3 seasons. Draymond Green as well, because...you know, he came off the bench his first 2 seasons, so why would anyone ever give him the opportunity to start?



Get Rekt Nerd.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There's a bit of a straw man going on here because even people like myself who really like van vleet don't want to give him 60mil.

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[Djedefre]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

[SuperSunsFan]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

[SlovenianDragon]

VanVleet is a career back-up player. The guy has such a small NBA sample size and the only, ONLY game he started in his NBA career he averaged:

8/1/2 on 22/14/75 in 33 minutes

Why would we pay any kinda of money for some1 who is sooooooo unproven.

Kinda an oxymoron that you call a guy a career back-up player....then talk about his small sample-size due to him only playing two seasons.

I guess Harden is a career back-up player as well, seeming how he came off the bench his first 3 seasons. Draymond Green as well, because...you know, he came off the bench his first 2 seasons, so why would anyone ever give him the opportunity to start?



Get Rekt Nerd.

Sorry you are right After just playing a little less than a season and a half in the NBA I cant believe how I didnt see how he would turn into the next James Harden.


Fred = Harden confirmed.

Throw all the money at him.

[bwgood77]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

And I believe the user you just responded to liked Doncic.

[Revived]

McD is very dangerous for the Suns right now because he is operating in the Billy King mode. It is do or die time for him now so to save his own butt he is willing to take whatever risks necessary disregarding Suns future to try to win now. There is no difference to him between Suns not improving and Suns giving out bad contracts so why not go all in, he sure will not be around to pay the price regardless of the choice he made if he fails. There is a big difference for suns fans though, if Suns doesn't improve but we have caproom the next GM can still come in and have chips to improve, but if McD goes all in now and he fails anyway the incoming GM will be handicapped for years.

Hopefully McD has to get approval from James Jones before making any big moves (and hopefully Jones is competent enough to know what’s best for the present and future).

[TheLogician]

Signing a back up PG to a huge contract is bad, but maybe not as bad as starting an injury-prone non-PG. Leave it to the Suns to do both.

[Revived]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

A lot of people are bashing Van Vleet because they are assuming that he will definitely cost $14M/yr or so when that’s just not true. There is no evidence of that other than the Sidery tweet which he was just spit balling and throwing a random number out there.

I’m confident that with the way free agency is looking at the moment, he should cost a lot less.

[TheLogician]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

And I believe the user you just responded to liked Doncic.

The deal Sidery outlined is probably the one we'd have to offer for the Raps not to match.

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[Blonde]

Fred Van Vleet. Gimme an effin break. We need a cheap placeholder until Okobo emerges or trade opportunity for star/semi-star PG presents itself. These kind of stupid moves will set us back for x number of years. Again.

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

How does wanting a 6’8” versatile point forward correlate to wanting a 6’0” point guard? Your Doncic takes have always been trash, I was hoping I wouldn’t have to read any more of them after the draft. And no, plenty of people who liked Doncic are are opposed to FVV, myself included.

[BobbieL]

There's a bit of a straw man going on here because even people like myself who really like van vleet don't want to give him 60mil.

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Hopefully Ryan isn't reading BSOTS Blogger or listening to Gambo in terms of a contract for Fred Van Vleet.

I am curious as to the trade market - see if Ryan gets involved with that. Whether its an expiring deal of which he has 27m or a player like Crhiss or Warren. Focusing a lot on the players to get "with cap space" - but one thing about Ryan McD - his stuff is not leaked from what I can recall. So if VAn Vleet is being discussed - in actuality the Suns first call tonight will be to Marcus Smart or DErrick FAvors

[bwgood77]

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

A lot of people are bashing Van Vleet because they are assuming that he will definitely cost $14M/yr or so when that’s just not true. There is no evidence of that other than the Sidery tweet which he was just spit balling and throwing a random number out there.

I’m confident that with the way free agency is looking at the moment, he should cost a lot less.

It all depends on what Toronto is willing to match, so if they don't it will likely be an overpay, but that's the only way to get RFAs. That's why I'd look at guys like Beverley and others first.

A contract would likely require a jump in year 3, but maybe not nearly as high as Sidery tweeted, and maybe no 4th year. I have high hopes for Okobo though, so I'd really look at a bunch of the more vet 1 year options...we could always look again next year if Okobo isn't ready.

[Revived]

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

A lot of people are bashing Van Vleet because they are assuming that he will definitely cost $14M/yr or so when that’s just not true. There is no evidence of that other than the Sidery tweet which he was just spit balling and throwing a random number out there.

I’m confident that with the way free agency is looking at the moment, he should cost a lot less.

It all depends on what Toronto is willing to match, so if they don't it will likely be an overpay, but that's the only way to get RFAs. That's why I'd look at guys like Beverley and others first.

A contract would likely require a jump in year 3, but maybe not nearly as high as Sidery tweeted, and maybe no 4th year. I have high hopes for Okobo though, so I'd really look at a bunch of the more vet 1 year options...we could always look again next year if Okobo isn't ready.

Yeah I view these these options as stop gaps till Okobo takes over as well. He has the ideal size, wingspan, shooting ability and athleticism to be a starting caliber PG in the NBA. If he improves in the other areas, he would be our long term option at the position.

[King4Day]

New thread before free agency begins!

[Moochthemonkey]

Not a fan of the Ulis waiving-

he's only entering his 3rd season, just 22 years old with plenty of room to improve
not that it says much at all, but he's still the best PG on the roster IMO. He outplayed by Knight at that spot and overtook him as the backup PG in early 2017. Okobo is a good prospect, but still unproven.
he was the most consistent rookie on the roster, and even though he largely sucked last season...he finished off strong.
he's hardly taking up any capspace- only 1 million. Though at the end of the day, Ulis is ultimately replaceable and having just a smidge more of caproom for safety is more important than his presence and potential. I just hope this doesn't signal overpaying for one of the available second tier PGs- I would have rather stayed put this offseason; and wait until $34 million is cleared next season from Dudley & Chandler (and possibly Knight, Warren, Bender or Chriss) and then go all out in free agency when there will be significantly more caproom

[SlovenianDragon]

First it was Smart and now it is FVV which PG will yall confirm to be the savior of the Suns next week?

[bwgood77]

New thread before free agency begins!

Was thinking I'd start at 12:01 am ET.

[BobbieL]

people who are pushing for midget Van Vleet now are the same people who pushed for drafting Doncic because switchy guards/wings are the future because teams switching all the time and small guards will always be a defensive burden.

I don't know that anyone pushed for a huge deal for Van Vleet here. Sidery posted the outrage idea and a few others on twitter talked about it. I think everyone here said its outrageous.

I've mentioned my top few choices a number of times and wanting to do one year deals. But there were some here that recognize VanVleet has talent and wouldn't mind him at a reasonable cost.

And I believe the user you just responded to liked Doncic.

The deal Sidery outlined is probably the one we'd have to offer for the Raps not to match.

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Except for DeRozan - the Raptors cap actually improves in two years when the bigger dollars kick in as Lowry, JVal, Ibaka and Miles come off the books. So, if truly one of these poison pills are offered, that's how the Raptors can match as well. Unless these poison pills are averaged out and not 8.5 8.5 20 and 20 but say 14m per year.

If the Suns want a RAptors PG - Lowry might be VERY obtainable for a pretty cheap price tag. I am talking Daniels, Chandler and Warren (or Knight). Raptors would have to suck it up this year but next year would probably be under the lux tax, have Van Vleet with Warren.

[Moochthemonkey]

Toronto offered PJ Tucker 11/3 last offseason
they will probably match VanVleet if he gets an offer in that range
Toronto had the best bench last offseason, largely thanks to VV
Lebron is likely out of the conference, it would be silly not to keep together what they had