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TheSuzerain wrote:Jvaughn wrote:
He can go get Atlanta or Sacramento to offer him more, then put us in a place where we're forced to decide to match or lose him for nothing.
And who's to say it's urgent? We don't even have any reports to say its been offered.
Lavine's ability to get that offer from Atlanta or Sacramento is not a sure thing at all.
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samwana wrote:We have seen it happen with our own team, as soon as Zach came back Lauri and Dunn's game both vanished. As aoin as Zach was hold out, Lauri started balling again.Betta Bulleavit wrote:samwana wrote:I hate the numbers. Zach hasn't done anything positive for the team. By all stats he is a bad basketball player. He has a smooth shot and can do fancy dunks. He makes his teammates worse, way worse. I don't want our team to play his kind of basketball, it's ugly.
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People invest way too much into that narrative. First, for all of the talk about guys making their teammates better or worse, there are only a handful of players that truly have that capability. Lavine isn’t one of them. Secondly, and this is something that I’ve stated before that nobody ever really wants to acknowledge is that in both locations that he’s been in THE LOSING WAS HAPPENING BEFORE HE ARRIVED! The only teal argument that people can make is that it didn’t end with him either. But this notion that you put Zach into the equation and all of a sudden the losing starts is a bunch of hogwash.
Zach makes teams worse, all the stats show it. Plus the eye test showing the same. Zach is a ball hog and loves to take bad shots with teammates being open and ready.
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Betta Bulleavit wrote:samwana wrote:We have seen it happen with our own team, as soon as Zach came back Lauri and Dunn's game both vanished. As aoin as Zach was hold out, Lauri started balling again.Betta Bulleavit wrote:People invest way too much into that narrative. First, for all of the talk about guys making their teammates better or worse, there are only a handful of players that truly have that capability. Lavine isn’t one of them. Secondly, and this is something that I’ve stated before that nobody ever really wants to acknowledge is that in both locations that he’s been in THE LOSING WAS HAPPENING BEFORE HE ARRIVED! The only teal argument that people can make is that it didn’t end with him either. But this notion that you put Zach into the equation and all of a sudden the losing starts is a bunch of hogwash.
Zach makes teams worse, all the stats show it. Plus the eye test showing the same. Zach is a ball hog and loves to take bad shots with teammates being open and ready.
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Lauri vanished when Dunn was first inserted into the lineup too. I didn’t see anybody harping about that. And before you decide to refute that, I’d advise that you go back and check the tapes. Sometimes guys just have to figure out how to play with one another. It can’t all be up to one guy to make that happen. Also, before you call him a ball hog, at least go and check his FGA per game season by season. You might be fairly surprised.
ChicagoStrong wrote:
ChicagoStrong wrote:
ChicagoStrong wrote:
He has a usage rate of 30%, that's outrageous for an average player like Zach, in an offensethat lives from ball movement nonetheless.Betta Bulleavit wrote:samwana wrote:We have seen it happen with our own team, as soon as Zach came back Lauri and Dunn's game both vanished. As aoin as Zach was hold out, Lauri started balling again.Betta Bulleavit wrote:People invest way too much into that narrative. First, for all of the talk about guys making their teammates better or worse, there are only a handful of players that truly have that capability. Lavine isn’t one of them. Secondly, and this is something that I’ve stated before that nobody ever really wants to acknowledge is that in both locations that he’s been in THE LOSING WAS HAPPENING BEFORE HE ARRIVED! The only teal argument that people can make is that it didn’t end with him either. But this notion that you put Zach into the equation and all of a sudden the losing starts is a bunch of hogwash.
Zach makes teams worse, all the stats show it. Plus the eye test showing the same. Zach is a ball hog and loves to take bad shots with teammates being open and ready.
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Lauri vanished when Dunn was first inserted into the lineup too. I didn’t see anybody harping about that. And before you decide to refute that, I’d advise that you go back and check the tapes. Sometimes guys just have to figure out how to play with one another. It can’t all be up to one guy to make that happen. Also, before you call him a ball hog, at least go and check his FGA per game season by season. You might be fairly surprised.
ChicagoStrong wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:Jvaughn wrote:
He can go get Atlanta or Sacramento to offer him more, then put us in a place where we're forced to decide to match or lose him for nothing.
And who's to say it's urgent? We don't even have any reports to say its been offered.
Lavine's ability to get that offer from Atlanta or Sacramento is not a sure thing at all.
No argument there, but it is a threat.
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
I agree, the ink won't even be spilled before it is a bad contract. A 1+1 deal seems best case right now, with the 2nd year being a team option. That way at least he isn't on the books next off seasonBoogieTime wrote:Jvaughn wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:Lavine's ability to get that offer from Atlanta or Sacramento is not a sure thing at all.
No argument there, but it is a threat.
Not from Sacramento, who once again has two better SGs on hand
Chicago will have ‘no’ problems signing him to the OP, and it will be a bad contract
ChicagoStrong wrote:
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BR0D1E86 wrote:ChicagoStrong wrote:
I can envision almost no scenario where I wouldn’t be furious if we spent money on him.
Chi wrote:Jabari = 1 yr contract... Please no more...
spearsy23 wrote:Kobe is a low percentage chucker just like Jennings, he's just better at it.
teamCHItown wrote:Now we have threads on what violent felons think of our Bulls. Great. Next up, OJ Simpson's take on a possible Taj Gibson extension.