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Post#261 » by robdog_5 » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:53 pm

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robdog_5 wrote:Brown, Rozier, Morris, Yasbule, etc plus Celtics have 4 first round picks to offer next year or the following. Easily could top Philly sans Simmons being involved.


Not seeing it. SA would have to move half those picks just to avoid eating a bunch of money by waiving guys.


Morris is a fa after next year and picks equal currency to get trades. Much better option than role players Sixers are offering. Brown is only player on either deal who has potential to be all star
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Post#262 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:56 pm

Can the Celtics pay the Spurs to keep Kawhi off the 76ers? I don't think the Celtics should trade for Kawhi but they would not want him joining the 76ers.
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Post#263 » by Froob » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:56 pm

Doesn’t Woj not have LeBron sources?
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Post#264 » by Kurosawa0 » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:57 pm

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boren wrote:The only scenario Kawhi ends in Philly (over a Boston package) is if they trade Simmons or Embiid for him, and they won't. The Spurs aren't trading Kawhi for Fultz and other unproven parts. Why would they?


Why wouldn't they?


Impuniti wrote:Brown is better than the entire SIxers package put together.


I like Jaylen Brown, but that's way too strong.
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Post#265 » by bebopdeluxe » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:58 pm

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Yeah, I think Pop could easily value Fultz and strong players at positions of need over Brown. I understand the argument that Brown is more desirable than Fultz. I might even agree with it. But Pop isn't going to believe Fultz has higher upside but not get him because he's about to retire.

LOL literally what are you talking about?

He’s going to value Fultz because he plays a “position of need”? Uh what?

You do realize they have a guy named Murray that plays Point Guard right?

You do realize the guy they’re trading, Kawhi Leonard, is a Small Forward, the same position that Jaylen Brown is.

So...you’re literally just reinforcing my point....


No. Try to keep up with the whole discussion and not just make this Fultz v Brown. Saric and Covington both play positions where the team desperately needs good players. Adding those guys to Fultzs and the Miami pick gives them a good combination of win-now and future value. Brown may or may not be able to play the three in the modern NBA (where most of the great players are bigger than him), but after that, there aren't comparable win-now guys in the package from the Celtics. There are a whole bunch of over-valued picks on the table, but that doesn't help them settle the roster this season, and the MEM pick may not even convey this next year.

Even if Boston wins on value, they don't win on fit.


Thank God that SOMEONE around here sees the value in Saric and Cov for Pop.

The last time Dario Saric was on an NBA floor - as our Celtics posters should remember - he dropped 27/10/4 (shooting 8-for-14 from the floor and 3-for-3 from 3) in an elimination playoff game IN BOSTON.

(what a freaking scrub)

Cov - who is 27 (four years younger than Danny Green, BTW) was a 1st Team All Defense selection this year who shot 37% from 3 and can defend 2 through 4 at a very high level.

Both guys are signed for at least the next couple of years to very reasonable money...and they have spend their entire NBA career playing in a very Spursian system, so the transition should be seamless.

For me, I think it is the trade for Smith and the 10 that puts it over the top for the Spurs. Smith can develop his shot this year, defend his azz off, and take Green’s place on the roster next season, and the MIA 2021 is a great long-term asset. There is a reason why Brown was so stoked about that deal on the night of the draft.

Saric, Cov, Smith and MIA 2021 is a damn good deal, IMO. We will see what happens.
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Post#266 » by Kurosawa0 » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:58 pm

Froob wrote:Doesn’t Woj not have LeBron sources?


Maybe he finally got some. I haven't noticed him attacking LeBron like he used to.
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Post#267 » by bebopdeluxe » Sun Jul 1, 2018 7:59 pm

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boren wrote:
Chinook wrote:
Why wouldn't they?


Impuniti wrote:Brown is better than the entire SIxers package put together.


I like Jaylen Brown, but that's way too strong.


You think?

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Post#268 » by sam_I_am » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:00 pm

Let’s assume Sixers, Celtics and Lakers are competing for Kawhi. The only players worth it to Spurs are Simmons, Saric, Fultz, Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma. If you rank them ( IMO and how I see Spurs ranking ) it would be Tatum > Simmons > Brown > Ingram > Saric > Kuzma > Ball > Fultz ( for now ). If you rank draft picks it’s Sac19 > Mem19> Mia21 >>>>>any LAL picks. As far as accessory pieces I’d say Rozier > Covington (due to salary) > Smart > Hart.

If Celtics want Kawhi they offer Brown + Sac19 and that is really tough to beat and they have to consider it to stop Kawhi/Lebron to Philly which could end Boston’s title hopes for 3 years. Sixers would have to offer Simmons to beat that. Lakers will end up offering Ingram+Kuzma and I think that is better than Covington-Saric-Mia21 but Spurs will go with Philly out of spite.
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Post#269 » by Chinook » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:00 pm

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robdog_5 wrote:Brown, Rozier, Morris, Yasbule, etc plus Celtics have 4 first round picks to offer next year or the following. Easily could top Philly sans Simmons being involved.


Not seeing it. SA would have to move half those picks just to avoid eating a bunch of money by waiving guys.


Morris is a fa after next year and picks equal currency to get trades. Much better option than role players Sixers are offering. Brown is only player on either deal who has potential to be all star


I don't see that potential in Brown, at least not in a way that matters. He might end up being called a star his whole career, but folks won't confuse him with true All-NBA types.
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Post#270 » by levon » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:02 pm

Kurosawa0 wrote:
Froob wrote:Doesn’t Woj not have LeBron sources?


Maybe he finally got some. I haven't noticed him attacking LeBron like he used to.

That's because he works for ESPN now.

I think his Lakers and Lebron sources are low but that might've changed with Magic taking over.
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Post#271 » by cheese318 » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:16 pm

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Philly won't bandover for LeBron, like Cleveland did. If he is willing to come - we are glad, if not - we'll be good either way. And Embiid just told a truth.


As long as we agree he ain't coming in that case. And you guys can remain looking up to the Celtics.


The thing is if he goes to LAL he will look up to GSW (and maybe even Hou) as well. Thats why there is no need to bandover, this is mutually beneficial.

Still think he does a stupid thing and goes to LA to lose. To many reports about that, and he at least would attend a meating if he was considered signing with Sixers.


I agree with you and I just don’t understand it’s. Lakers fans don’t even want him on the team. At least 76ers fandom is clamoring for him to join “The Process”

If he won a ring in LAL does it really even matter? He would have to win multiple titles to truly win the admiration of LaLa Land. If he won a ring in places like NYK & PHI it would cement him with that organization for a lifetime so I personally think he should avoid the Western Conference


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Post#272 » by sfernald » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:18 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Let’s assume Sixers, Celtics and Lakers are competing for Kawhi. The only players worth it to Spurs are Simmons, Saric, Fultz, Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma. If you rank them ( IMO and how I see Spurs ranking ) it would be Tatum > Simmons > Brown > Ingram > Saric > Kuzma > Ball > Fultz ( for now ). If you rank draft picks it’s Sac19 > Mem19> Mia21 >>>>>any LAL picks. As far as accessory pieces I’d say Rozier > Covington (due to salary) > Smart > Hart.

If Celtics want Kawhi they offer Brown + Sac19 and that is really tough to beat and they have to consider it to stop Kawhi/Lebron to Philly which could end Boston’s title hopes for 3 years. Sixers would have to offer Simmons to beat that. Lakers will end up offering Ingram+Kuzma and I think that is better than Covington-Saric-Mia21 but Spurs will go with Philly out of spite.


Again I don’t see the realisitc actual trade from the Celtics? They either have to send all their guys over or include one of Hortford, Hayward or Kyrie to match salaries. Smart is a free agent and has to approve any trade and can be taken freely on the market with an overpay. He’s not a spurs type of player at all either (way too much controversy and drama with him all the time)...

So either include Kyrie, Hortford or Hayward in your Celtics trade or don’t really bother. Or check the trade machine and tell me what you can realistically do with the trade yourself?
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Post#273 » by Darth Magic » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:22 pm

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Darth Magic wrote:Really? Lol


Really. Lol?


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Post#274 » by AussieRules » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:37 pm

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As long as we agree he ain't coming in that case. And you guys can remain looking up to the Celtics.


The thing is if he goes to LAL he will look up to GSW (and maybe even Hou) as well. Thats why there is no need to bandover, this is mutually beneficial.

Still think he does a stupid thing and goes to LA to lose. To many reports about that, and he at least would attend a meating if he was considered signing with Sixers.


I agree with you and I just don’t understand it’s. Lakers fans don’t even want him on the team. At least 76ers fandom is clamoring for him to join “The Process”

If he won a ring in LAL does it really even matter? He would have to win multiple titles to truly win the admiration of LaLa Land. If he won a ring in places like NYK & PHI it would cement him with that organization for a lifetime so I personally think he should avoid the Western Conference


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Lebron doesn’t even have to win a ring in LA to matter. All he’d need to do is bring L.A. back into relevancy. It’s absurd thinking winning a ring wouldn’t matter cos it’s LA lol
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Post#275 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:56 pm

Are there Celtics fans that actually want to trade Brown/Rozier/Morris/basically ever small salary on your roster to match salary/picks for Kawhi is this just making a point that they could or trying to stop the Sixers from getting him?

Neither seem like a great reason to do a trade. I do appreciate the commitment to the rivalry though.
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Post#276 » by Geddy » Sun Jul 1, 2018 8:59 pm

Hopefully Lebron is typing up his players tribune piece as we speak
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Post#277 » by pipfan » Sun Jul 1, 2018 9:01 pm

Irving to Suns
Leonard to Celtics
Sac pick, Bender, Milw pick, Bridges, Dudley to Spurs
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Post#278 » by guitarpatch » Sun Jul 1, 2018 9:06 pm

AussieRules wrote:
cheese318 wrote:
cool93 wrote:
The thing is if he goes to LAL he will look up to GSW (and maybe even Hou) as well. Thats why there is no need to bandover, this is mutually beneficial.

Still think he does a stupid thing and goes to LA to lose. To many reports about that, and he at least would attend a meating if he was considered signing with Sixers.


I agree with you and I just don’t understand it’s. Lakers fans don’t even want him on the team. At least 76ers fandom is clamoring for him to join “The Process”

If he won a ring in LAL does it really even matter? He would have to win multiple titles to truly win the admiration of LaLa Land. If he won a ring in places like NYK & PHI it would cement him with that organization for a lifetime so I personally think he should avoid the Western Conference


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Lebron doesn’t even have to win a ring in LA to matter. All he’d need to do is bring L.A. back into relevancy. It’s absurd thinking winning a ring wouldn’t matter cos it’s LA lol


Not absurd at all. Not when he’s being compared to Magic Kobe and Kareem in their eyes. Now making the Knicks or Sixers relevant is a different story
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Post#279 » by TeamTragic » Sun Jul 1, 2018 9:07 pm

pipfan wrote:Irving to Suns
Leonard to Celtics
Sac pick, Bender, Milw pick, Bridges, Dudley to Spurs


Pass. Not trading Bridges/Bender.
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Post#280 » by bebopdeluxe » Sun Jul 1, 2018 9:09 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:Let’s assume Sixers, Celtics and Lakers are competing for Kawhi. The only players worth it to Spurs are Simmons, Saric, Fultz, Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma. If you rank them ( IMO and how I see Spurs ranking ) it would be Tatum > Simmons > Brown > Ingram > Saric > Kuzma > Ball > Fultz ( for now ). If you rank draft picks it’s Sac19 > Mem19> Mia21 >>>>>any LAL picks. As far as accessory pieces I’d say Rozier > Covington (due to salary) > Smart > Hart.

If Celtics want Kawhi they offer Brown + Sac19 and that is really tough to beat and they have to consider it to stop Kawhi/Lebron to Philly which could end Boston’s title hopes for 3 years. Sixers would have to offer Simmons to beat that. Lakers will end up offering Ingram+Kuzma and I think that is better than Covington-Saric-Mia21 but Spurs will go with Philly out of spite.


Again I don’t see the realisitc actual trade from the Celtics? They either have to send all their guys over or include one of Hortford, Hayward or Kyrie to match salaries. Smart is a free agent and has to approve any trade and can be taken freely on the market with an overpay. He’s not a spurs type of player at all either (way too much controversy and drama with him all the time)...

So either include Kyrie, Hortford or Hayward in your Celtics trade or don’t really bother. Or check the trade machine and tell me what you can realistically do with the trade yourself?


If I am the Spurs, why would I want any of those huge contracts?

Really?

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