Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[SichtingLives]

Pop is going to leave the Lakers in the worst position possible, bet your ass on that.

Bro.. they have Bron and Kawhi. How bad can it possibly get?

Thing is there's this pesky part where they don't have Kawhi and they are going to pay through the nose if they want to sniff him at all next year. They are sitting pretty by 2020, next year is going to hurt and SA is going to see to it. Lebron, Kawhi and garbage may be a finals lock in the East but far from it out West.

[ConstableGeneva]

Raw Stats of our Projected Starting Five in Their Most Recent Playoffs:
▪ Irving - 25.9 ppg, 5.3 apg on 47/37/91 splits; 57.3 TS%
▪ Brown - 18.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg on 46/39/64 splits; 56.3 TS%
▪ Tatum - 18.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg on 47/32/85 splits; 57.8 TS%
▪ Hayward - 24.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg on 44/41/93 splits; 59.8 TS%
▪ Horford - 15.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg on 54/35/83 splits; 63.1 TS%

Here's Kawhi's last playoff run...
▪ Leonard - 27.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg on 53/46/93 splits; 67.2 TS%

There's diminishing returns now that they've joined forces, but that's a lot of potential, efficient firepower lol. Playing a system under arguably the best coach in the NBA.

I want a "rental" and a year to convince him to stay, naive as that may sound.

[Asian Celtic]

I'll believe what insiders say over anyone's opinion. All day. Lol.

[Bohemian]

So the way I see it, either the Spurs rip the Lakers with a huge offer or they take a very humble pack from the Celtics. Looks good to me.

I guess he will finally go to the Lakers. But the NBA should do something about this. If all that we´ve read is true, someone like Kawhi who doesn´t fit with the Spurs organisation is perfect for a franchise like the Lakers and the diva LeBron.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Raw Stats of our Projected Starting Five in Their Most Recent Playoffs:
▪ Irving - 25.9 ppg, 5.3 apg on 47/37/91 splits; 57.3 TS%
▪ Brown - 18.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg on 46/39/64 splits; 56.3 TS%
▪ Tatum - 18.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg on 47/32/85 splits; 57.8 TS%
▪ Hayward - 24.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg on 44/41/93 splits; 59.8 TS%
▪ Horford - 15.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg on 54/35/83 splits; 63.1 TS%

Here's Kawhi's last playoff run...
▪ Leonard - 27.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg on 53/46/93 splits; 67.2 TS%

There's diminishing returns now that they've joined forces, but that's a lot of potential, efficient firepower lol. Playing a system under arguably the best coach in the NBA.

I want a "rental" and a year to convince him to stay, naive as that may sound.

Kawhi also happens to be one of the best wing defenders I’ve seen. While the offensive and defensive rating may not see huge increases due to diminishing returns, his value would be huge in the playoffs defending against someone like Simmons, Giannis and then in the finals against Durant or LeBron (shudder).

I don’t think there’s any chance Philly or Boston go near him now though, unless the Spurs for some reason decide to say **** you to the Lakers and give him to one of us for a decent price. He’s a far bigger risk than Paul George was last year. Dude has literally spent the entire season sooking and now he’s supposedly happy to sit out the season if he doesn’t get his way.

Would not go near.

[FlatearthZorro]

So the way I see it, either the Spurs rip the Lakers with a huge offer or they take a very humble pack from the Celtics. Looks good to me.

I guess he will finally go to the Lakers. But the NBA should do something about this. If all that we´ve read is true, someone like Kawhi who doesn´t fit with the Spurs organisation is perfect for a franchise like the Lakers and the diva LeBron.

Actually the pack wont be that humble. We can beat any package not including Ingram without trading Brown or Tatum ie Terry, SAC/MEM/LAC/our pick could all be on the table. Brown and Tatum are proven now so it's all good.

[FlatearthZorro]

Raw Stats of our Projected Starting Five in Their Most Recent Playoffs:
▪ Irving - 25.9 ppg, 5.3 apg on 47/37/91 splits; 57.3 TS%
▪ Brown - 18.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg on 46/39/64 splits; 56.3 TS%
▪ Tatum - 18.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg on 47/32/85 splits; 57.8 TS%
▪ Hayward - 24.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg on 44/41/93 splits; 59.8 TS%
▪ Horford - 15.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg on 54/35/83 splits; 63.1 TS%

Here's Kawhi's last playoff run...
▪ Leonard - 27.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg on 53/46/93 splits; 67.2 TS%

There's diminishing returns now that they've joined forces, but that's a lot of potential, efficient firepower lol. Playing a system under arguably the best coach in the NBA.

I want a "rental" and a year to convince him to stay, naive as that may sound.

Kawhi also happens to be one of the best wing defenders I’ve seen. While the offensive and defensive rating may not see huge increases due to diminishing returns, his value would be huge in the playoffs defending against someone like Simmons, Giannis and then in the finals against Durant or LeBron (shudder).

I don’t think there’s any chance Philly or Boston go near him now though, unless the Spurs for some reason decide to say **** you to the Lakers and give him to one of us for a decent price. He’s a far bigger risk than Paul George was last year. Dude has literally spent the entire season sooking and now he’s supposedly happy to sit out the season if he doesn’t get his way.

Would not go near.

Semi destroyed Simmons, so there's that, but Giannis, Durant is whole different world.

[FlatearthZorro]

Could see this drag out 1 more month.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Raw Stats of our Projected Starting Five in Their Most Recent Playoffs:
▪ Irving - 25.9 ppg, 5.3 apg on 47/37/91 splits; 57.3 TS%
▪ Brown - 18.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg on 46/39/64 splits; 56.3 TS%
▪ Tatum - 18.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg on 47/32/85 splits; 57.8 TS%
▪ Hayward - 24.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg on 44/41/93 splits; 59.8 TS%
▪ Horford - 15.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg on 54/35/83 splits; 63.1 TS%

Here's Kawhi's last playoff run...
▪ Leonard - 27.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg on 53/46/93 splits; 67.2 TS%

There's diminishing returns now that they've joined forces, but that's a lot of potential, efficient firepower lol. Playing a system under arguably the best coach in the NBA.

I want a "rental" and a year to convince him to stay, naive as that may sound.

Kawhi also happens to be one of the best wing defenders I’ve seen. While the offensive and defensive rating may not see huge increases due to diminishing returns, his value would be huge in the playoffs defending against someone like Simmons, Giannis and then in the finals against Durant or LeBron (shudder).

I don’t think there’s any chance Philly or Boston go near him now though, unless the Spurs for some reason decide to say **** you to the Lakers and give him to one of us for a decent price. He’s a far bigger risk than Paul George was last year. Dude has literally spent the entire season sooking and now he’s supposedly happy to sit out the season if he doesn’t get his way.

Would not go near.

Semi destroyed Simmons, so there's that, but Giannis, Durant is whole different world.

Yeah but I think Simmons will get better. Not convinced like a lot of Philly fans he’ll get a reliable jumper, but he’ll at least get much better at driving to the hole.

And yeah the other guys are on a whole different level.

Brown is good defensively but I don’t think he’ll ever reach Kawhi’s level. Kawhi was pretty special on that end from day one.

But Brown wants to be here. Kawhi doesn’t, so its a no from me.

[FlatearthZorro]

Kawhi also happens to be one of the best wing defenders I’ve seen. While the offensive and defensive rating may not see huge increases due to diminishing returns, his value would be huge in the playoffs defending against someone like Simmons, Giannis and then in the finals against Durant or LeBron (shudder).

I don’t think there’s any chance Philly or Boston go near him now though, unless the Spurs for some reason decide to say **** you to the Lakers and give him to one of us for a decent price. He’s a far bigger risk than Paul George was last year. Dude has literally spent the entire season sooking and now he’s supposedly happy to sit out the season if he doesn’t get his way.

Would not go near.

Semi destroyed Simmons, so there's that, but Giannis, Durant is whole different world.

Yeah but I think Simmons will get better. Not convinced like a lot of Philly fans he’ll get a reliable jumper, but he’ll at least get much better at driving to the hole.

And yeah the other guys are on a whole different level.

Brown is good defensively but I don’t think he’ll ever reach Kawhi’s level. Kawhi was pretty special on that end from day one.

But Brown wants to be here. Kawhi doesn’t, so its a no from me.

It's a huge NO NO, trading Brown for Kawhi. We are built for now and in the future. Let's outbid the Lakers with Morris, Nade, Rozier, Smart, Semi and a bunch of picks for Kawhi if they aren't trading Ingram This doesn't make sense at all cause Ingram wont have a position there with LBJ/Kawhi, but I'm happy they don't want to trade him. If I'm the Lakers I'd want to keep Kuzma who's more of a 4 and everybody else is expandable even Ball to dump Deng's salary and sign Cousins.

[CelticsLV]

People need to lay down the pipe if they think LeBron is still making arrangements and waiting on someone to join him. His mind is already made up regardless of what PG and Kawhi do.

Why do you think that? Guy has been doing this since 2010. Lebron isn't going to the Lakers if at least one of the two guys, PG or KL, are not joining him.

Any more questions?

[Wes-J]

I'm over it. Feels like I've gone back and forth somewhat but it was always about the price with Kawhi. Apparently it's too much because he's insistent on LA. Now I just want to move on from this.

Stay the course we're fine in the East. Keep the picks for insurance purposes. There are no guarantees with Kyrie and Hayward.

At this point I hope the Spurs gouge the Lakers.

[TheMartian]

How true are the rumors Kawhi is willing to sit out the whole season if he's traded anywhere other than to the Lakers? If there's any truth to that I wouldn't want him on the Celtics. Danny shouldn't even offer a penny. I don't think anyone can convince him to play, not to mention stay for the long term.

[ConstableGeneva]

Before they trade for Kawhi...

[wickerhd]

If I could trade Brown and a couple of picks for Leonard, I’d do it immediately. The problem is, it doesn’t work under the salary cap. We’d have to include most of our second unit as well just to make the salaries work. Guys like Rozier and Morris are not just throw ins, and I don’t see any way they can be replaced on the fly.

Lakers are signing guys to one year deals, which makes it likely they’ll have a max spot available next season when Kauai is a free agent. Time for us to bow out of the auction. Philly and Milwaukee will insure that he isn’t traded for pennies.


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[Fencer reregistered]

How true are the rumors Kawhi is willing to sit out the whole season if he's traded anywhere other than to the Lakers? If there's any truth to that I wouldn't want him on the Celtics. Danny shouldn't even offer a penny. I don't think anyone can convince him to play, not to mention stay for the long term.

That rumor makes no sense. He could be sued for doing that if he's still getting paid. He could have his free agency delayed if he's not still getting paid. And if he managed to do it while avoiding all legal/contractual problems, then he'd be such damaged goods that LA wouldn't wind up using its 2019 cap room on him.

[jmr07019]

So what do we want? Kawhi traded to Lakers for Ingram and Kuzma with Lakers able to keep Randle? Or for Lakers to lose Randle in FA this year, sign Kawhi in FA next year and keep Ingram and Kuzma?

I think I'd rather see Kawhi get traded this year with the Lakers losing Kuzma and Ingram. The best case scenario for us is Lakers losing Randle now and then trading Ingram and Kuzma.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

People need to lay down the pipe if they think LeBron is still making arrangements and waiting on someone to join him. His mind is already made up regardless of what PG and Kawhi do.

Why do you think that? Guy has been doing this since 2010. Lebron isn't going to the Lakers if at least one of the two guys, PG or KL, are not joining him.

Any more questions?

Lance Stephenson and Javale Mcgee joined. They are no PG and KL but pretty damn close.

[FlatearthZorro]

Why do you think that? Guy has been doing this since 2010. Lebron isn't going to the Lakers if at least one of the two guys, PG or KL, are not joining him.

Any more questions?

Lance Stephenson and Javale Mcgee joined. They are no PG and KL but pretty damn close.

You aren't serious, right?

[Theocy]

I hope Lakers keep lowballing tha **** out of this offer. Pop will eventually send Kahwai to the east for a couple picks and fillers just to say nobody **** with me.