Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[ddb]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

for now there is no deal that makes sense for either team. The Celtics are in really, really good shape in terms of being contenders AND being positioned to sustain success.

[chrisab123]

Who's kingly

I tend to think there are no sources and it’s all educated guesses and opinions. And I tend to think my guesses are pretty solid. So add me to that tier please. Thanks.

God you're insufferable.

reload has absolutely nailed things that weren't even discussed in the media before. Smitty IS in the media. These guys know a heck of a lot more than you, me and anyone else on this forum.

Agreed. The only things I ever get told are Hockey injuries before they get announced since my buddy does radiology and gets called into the Garden from time to time. Had a good one about McAvoy that I posted on HF. But yeah I enjoy seeing the insiders on this board. Good stuff

[Valid]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

for now there is no deal that makes sense for either team. The Celtics are in really, really good shape in terms of being contenders AND being positioned to sustain success.

Assuming Tatum keeps progressing at this rate, I highly doubt Ainge will even consider trading him for anyone, including Anthony Davis.

[ddb]

Why engage the spurs twice if you are unwilling to make jaylen brown available. Common sense would tell you that the spurs were going to ask for Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum. What were the celtics expecting to happen.

That's not the issue. The issue is Kawhi doesn't want to play here.

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Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

[PierceFan4ever]

Jayson Tatum will make you forget about Anthony Davis soon enough where you don’t want him traded for anyone

[CelticsPride18]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

for now there is no deal that makes sense for either team. The Celtics are in really, really good shape in terms of being contenders AND being positioned to sustain success.

Do we want to use the MLE????

[ddb]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

for now there is no deal that makes sense for either team. The Celtics are in really, really good shape in terms of being contenders AND being positioned to sustain success.

Assuming Tatum keeps progressing at this rate, I highly doubt Ainge will even consider trading him for anyone, including Anthony Davis.

Yep. Plus, he has a rookie scale deal for 3 more seasons. Crazy!

[SMTBSI]

reload has absolutely nailed things that weren't even discussed in the media before. Smitty IS in the media. These guys know a heck of a lot more than you, me and anyone else on this forum.

Agreed. The only things I ever get told are Hockey injuries before they get announced since my buddy does radiology and gets called into the Garden from time to time. Had a good one about McAvoy that I posted on HF. But yeah I enjoy seeing the insiders on this board. Good stuff

I know healthy skepticism is important, and that the sidewalks are littered with the corpses of fake "insiders", but I don't understand why so many people find it so hard to believe that a sport which employs many thousands of people, and contracts with many more, who each know hundreds of people themselves, wouldn't be completely air tight. It's not exactly a stretch mathematically to think that a few folks on here would be friends or distant relations to people in position to at least hear some rumblings. There's really nothing incredible about that at all.

That doesn't mean you swallow everything hook, line and sinker. You still have to assess critically. But, I certainly don't mind hearing what folks have to say.

[Valid]

reload has absolutely nailed things that weren't even discussed in the media before. Smitty IS in the media. These guys know a heck of a lot more than you, me and anyone else on this forum.

Agreed. The only things I ever get told are Hockey injuries before they get announced since my buddy does radiology and gets called into the Garden from time to time. Had a good one about McAvoy that I posted on HF. But yeah I enjoy seeing the insiders on this board. Good stuff

I know healthy skepticism is important, and that the sidewalks are littered with the corpses of fake "insiders", but I don't understand why so many people find it so hard to believe that a sport which employs many thousands of people, and contracts with many more, who each know hundreds of people themselves, wouldn't be completely air tight. It's not exactly a stretch mathematically to think that a few folks on here would be friends or distant relations to people in position to at least hear some rumblings. There's really nothing incredible about that at all.

That doesn't mean you swallow everything hook, line and sinker. You still have to assess critically. But, I certainly don't mind hearing what folks have to say.

Yep. Having trepidation is one thing, but flat out dismissing someone (especially when that someone has a well-known track record of getting things right) and claiming that you know just as much as they do because your "guesses are right most of the time" is arrogance to the umpteenth degree and is downright insulting to the people on this forum who are willing to share information with us. It's also easy to forget that a lot of these guys with sources (reload, Smitty, ddb, etc.) are taking big risks themselves by releasing that information. That's how you lose your sources. We should be grateful rather than snide.

[Edug27]

Who's kingly

I tend to think there are no sources and it’s all educated guesses and opinions. And I tend to think my guesses are pretty solid. So add me to that tier please. Thanks.

God you're insufferable.

reload has absolutely nailed things that weren't even discussed in the media before. Smitty IS in the media. These guys know a heck of a lot more than you, me and anyone else on this forum.

Sooo..... I don’t make the list?

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Why engage the spurs twice if you are unwilling to make jaylen brown available. Common sense would tell you that the spurs were going to ask for Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum. What were the celtics expecting to happen.

That's not the issue. The issue is Kawhi doesn't want to play here.

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Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

Woj thinks he's still set on wanting LA as of yesterday. You're hearing different? What's up with Phili's package? that's sounds like hot air to get LA to pick up their offer more. I've all but given up hope we'll get Leonard.

[SichtingLives]

Scoopydoos are pretty, Scoopydoos are good, it seems like all they ever wanted was them sources

[Tyakack]

If the lakers continue to low ball then I don't see the spurs doing them any favors. I would think if they are going to get a lesser than stellar package regardless, they would rather ship him out east.

[fallguy]

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

for now there is no deal that makes sense for either team. The Celtics are in really, really good shape in terms of being contenders AND being positioned to sustain success.

Assuming Tatum keeps progressing at this rate, I highly doubt Ainge will even consider trading him for anyone, including Anthony Davis.

Yep. Plus, he has a rookie scale deal for 3 more seasons. Crazy!

Ultimately, I think they'd move Tatum for Davis. They probably wouldn't have to with the other assets they have available as a Brown + picks/flotsam package could be very attractive. But adding Davis to Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Brown/etc is a title-clinching move. Davis is that good.

Caveats:

-Davis needs to play another healthy season
-Tatum can't make a massive jump into superstardom in year two

[Froob]

If the lakers continue to low ball then I don't see the spurs doing them any favors. I would think if they are going to get a lesser than stellar package regardless, they would rather ship him out east.

Pun intended?

[SMTBSI]

That's not the issue. The issue is Kawhi doesn't want to play here.

Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

Woj thinks he's still set on wanting LA as of yesterday. You're hearing different? What's up with Phili's package? that's sounds like hot air to get LA to pick up their offer more. I've all but given up hope we'll get Leonard.

My issue is that Kawhi has to know we'd be a seriously powerful team with him in the fold. Irving/Hayward/Leonard/Horford is pretty nuts, before you even add whatever youth we keep on top of that. So it's not like if we traded for him, and did really well next year, that he'd be all surprised and suddenly won over.

For some combination of reasons, perhaps some that have very little to do with basketball and competitive opportunity, he really specifically wants LA.

Forget for a second that it's our team. Try to divorce yourself from our rooting biases. Imagine that Chicago was stacked with Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford, and were in prime position to land Leonard, and we saw that he was expressing zero interest in going there. That would be really weird. That's exactly the kind of team players are trying to shoot their way to in this super team era.

It just tells me that it's less about basketball than it probably should be. For that reason, I'm very much not confident in our ability to resign him, even after a great year. I just don't think this is a normal situation. If we acquire him, I think he'll just view it as having his cake and eating it to: getting away from SAS and getting to compete in the upcoming season, before ultimately winding up exactly where he wants to be anyway.

[ViperGTS]

Assuming Tatum keeps progressing at this rate, I highly doubt Ainge will even consider trading him for anyone, including Anthony Davis.

Yep. Plus, he has a rookie scale deal for 3 more seasons. Crazy!

Ultimately, I think they'd move Tatum for Davis. They probably wouldn't have to with the other assets they have available as a Brown + picks/flotsam package could be very attractive. But adding Davis to Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Brown/etc is a title-clinching move. Davis is that good.

Caveats:

-Davis needs to play another healthy season
-Tatum can't make a massive jump into superstardom in year two

Its gonna be the same old BS arguments. Trade Tatum etc for Davis. When he has 1 year remaining on his contract. Is it worth trading a 21 year old for a 26 year old blah blah blah.

I’ll save everyone the trouble. The answer is no, always will be no except we will have 4 threads + of lets trade Tatum AND Brown.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

It's not an offseason until other fanbases start accusing Ainge of being too cheap and overvaluing his assets. Lol

[ddb]

If the lakers continue to low ball then I don't see the spurs doing them any favors. I would think if they are going to get a lesser than stellar package regardless, they would rather ship him out east.

Only way Spurs will deal Kawhi to the Lakers is if A. there are no other good deals left on the table, B. Spurs aren't able to reconcile with Kawhi.

It's still very possible, but Spurs will need to get a sweet deal. Pop could care less about Kawhi's camp wanting LA.

This is all why a mystery team could still swoop in and acquire Kawhi and take a chance that he falls in love with playing in that particular city.

There are other possibilities then what the media is currently reporting. Kawhi wants LA, true. Philly & Boston could get a deal done but are hesitant to give up key pieces without a commitment from Kawhi. Also true.

I'm telling you....Keep an eye out for a random a$$ team swooping in and saying, "you know what, let's go get Kawhi and figure out the rest later."

[GoCeltics123]

If the lakers continue to low ball then I don't see the spurs doing them any favors. I would think if they are going to get a lesser than stellar package regardless, they would rather ship him out east.

Only way Spurs will deal Kawhi to the Lakers is if A. there are no other good deals left on the table, B. Spurs aren't able to reconcile with Kawhi.

It's still very possible, but Spurs will need to get a sweet deal. Pop could care less about Kawhi's camp wanting LA.

This is all why a mystery team could still swoop in and acquire Kawhi and take a chance that he falls in love with playing in that particular city.

There are other possibilities then what the media is currently reporting. Kawhi wants LA, true. Philly & Boston could get a deal done but are hesitant to give up key pieces without a commitment from Kawhi. Also true.

I'm telling you....Keep an eye out for a random a$$ team swooping in and saying, "you know what, let's go get Kawhi and figure out the rest later."

Like you said, Bucks are a team to watch.

Portland could move one CJ McCollum for him too assuming the Spurs want to be competitive (no info on this, just speculation).