Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[Drax]

Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

I don't know if this is a statement from your point of view or you have sources on this, but if Kahwi gives an assurance to resign i think every player outside of Tatum should be available in a trade.

[FlatearthZorro]

If the lakers continue to low ball then I don't see the spurs doing them any favors. I would think if they are going to get a lesser than stellar package regardless, they would rather ship him out east.

Pun intended?

[Fencer reregistered]

Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

I don't know if this is a statement from your point of view or you have sources on this, but if Kahwi gives an assurance to resign i think every player outside of Tatum should be available in a trade.

Wait a moment. Kawhi wants out of San Antonio so urgently that he'd rather be traded now with a commitment to stay in the new city rather than play out the year and be a free agent?

[Celtic Esquire]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:

The Celtics cannot acquire a player like Anthony Davis because of the Rose rule. Boston is allowed to trade for only one player (Kyrie Irving) that was signed with the Rose rule.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

[OFWGKTA]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:

The Celtics cannot acquire a player like Anthony Davis because of the Rose rule. Boston is allowed to trade for only one player (Kyrie Irving) that was signed with the Rose rule.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

Wouldn't that not be the case anymore once we re-signed Kyrie to a non Rose rule contract next offseason?

[Homerclease]

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:

The Celtics cannot acquire a player like Anthony Davis because of the Rose rule. Boston is allowed to trade for only one player (Kyrie Irving) that was signed with the Rose rule.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

Wouldn't that not be the case anymore once we re-signed Kyrie to a non Rose rule contract next offseason?

Correct. LA signing everyone to 1 year deals is an enormous red flag. They will be able to afford Kawhi next year. Stay away

[Marvel]

Remember that the ultimate prize is Anthony Davis in another year, which would act as Horford's replacement on a Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/(Brown) core.

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:

The Celtics cannot acquire a player like Anthony Davis because of the Rose rule. Boston is allowed to trade for only one player (Kyrie Irving) that was signed with the Rose rule.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

Wtf?

[reload141]

The Anthony Davis to Boston train will pick back up next offseason when the Celtics could have as many as 4 1st round picks PLUS an even more valuable Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:

The Celtics cannot acquire a player like Anthony Davis because of the Rose rule. Boston is allowed to trade for only one player (Kyrie Irving) that was signed with the Rose rule.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

Wouldn't that not be the case anymore once we re-signed Kyrie to a non Rose rule contract next offseason?

Yeah I believe after we re-sign Kyrie not with the Derrick Rose rule we can then trade for AD which is perfect for the next offseason.

[Celtic Esquire]

Yeah I believe after we re-sign Kyrie not with the Derrick Rose rule we can then trade for AD which is perfect for the next offseason.

That is correct. Kyrie is a "designated rookie" under the old CBA and we can only have 1 of those types of players via trade on our team at a time. However, after next season, assuming Kyrie re-signs, he will no longer be a "designated rookie" and we can then trade for Davis.

But the fact remains that we can't trade for Davis this summer unless we include Kyrie in the deal.

See #24 of Larry Coon's FAQ for more details.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

[PierceFan4ever]

This Bobby marks dude on ESPN who is a salary cap expert says it’s really unrealistic for Kawhi to go to LA now after the rondo, lance, McGee signings. Thoughts?

[Captain_Caveman]

Why engage the spurs twice if you are unwilling to make jaylen brown available. Common sense would tell you that the spurs were going to ask for Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum. What were the celtics expecting to happen.

That's not the issue. The issue is Kawhi doesn't want to play here.

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Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

Is that sourced? because I don’t believe that even a little bit.

[NYCelticsfan136]

These lakers fans are ridiculous saying let’s wait another year before signing leonard. Lebroni James will heading for 35 years old by then. He hasn’t shown to be losing a step but he will unless he’s on PEDs. Are they better than the rockets without Leonard this season?

[FlatearthZorro]

We can't trade for Davis so long as Kyrie is on the team.

See this from Bobby Marks:



http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23529024/biggest-nba-free-agency-trade-extension-decisions-every-team

Wouldn't that not be the case anymore once we re-signed Kyrie to a non Rose rule contract next offseason?

Yeah I believe after we re-sign Kyrie not with the Derrick Rose rule we can then trade for AD which is perfect for the next offseason.

Pretty much when most of us expect Davis to be available.

[PierceFan4ever]

These lakers fans are ridiculous saying let’s wait another year before signing leonard. Lebroni James will heading for 35 years old by then. He hasn’t shown to be losing a step but he will unless he’s on PEDs. Are they better than the rockets without Leonard this season?

Yeah imo the lakers and their fans are taking Lebron for granted a bit here he’s not some young star anymore. Dude is pretty old and can decline at any point. He’s already declining especially defensively and can’t really bring it anymore on both ends for multiple straight games. By waiting another year after this upcoming one, you’re kind of taking a gamble on how long Lebron can keep up this level of play.

[TommyPoints]

These lakers fans are ridiculous saying let’s wait another year before signing leonard. Lebroni James will heading for 35 years old by then. He hasn’t shown to be losing a step but he will unless he’s on PEDs. Are they better than the rockets without Leonard this season?

Yeah imo the lakers and their fans are taking Lebron for granted a bit here he’s not some young star anymore. Dude is pretty old and can decline at any point. He’s already declining especially defensively and can’t really bring it anymore on both ends for multiple straight games. By waiting another year after this upcoming one, you’re kind of taking a gamble on how long Lebron can keep up this level of play.

I agree. They need to go all in from day one to maximize this advantage.

[Homerclease]

100% out on Kawhi given how FA has shaken out. LA has signed everyone on short money to preserve their cap space for the following offseason. Rondo, KCP, Lance and McGee all on 1 year deals. Kawhi will bolt to LA in a heartbeat following the coming season. I’m not giving up anything for this guy anymore. Sign Smart and Bird and run it back

[SMTBSI]

100% out on Kawhi given how FA has shaken out. LA has signed everyone on short money to preserve their cap space for the following offseason. Rondo, KCP, Lance and McGee all on 1 year deals. Kawhi will bolt to LA in a heartbeat following the coming season. I’m not giving up anything for this guy anymore. Sign Smart and Bird and run it back

Yup. I've been vocally anti-Kawhi for a while here, but it's not because I don't want him on this team. I do. Badly.

I just genuinely do not believe he would stay.

Move Brown for him, watch him walk, maybe Kyrie gets spooked and walks, Al's not getting any younger = welcome to the next rebuild.

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Waiting for Kawhi news like:

[Feed Your Head]

Waiting for Kawhi news like:

It has been awfully quiet on the Kawhi front today.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Would anyone take Cousins for 1 year at the MLE?

To be honest, I dont know if I would.