Bulls Free Agency - Merged

[Mbrahv0528]

With the way the market is going, Lavine cant be happy.. Bradley, Evans, Burton setting the merit for him as well.
MAX 14M per year should be signed

Right now I think 10m might be more than enough

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10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal

Errr.. highly doubtful that Sacto is offering 17 million sooo this is kind of a moot point?

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[samwana]

With the way the market is going, Lavine cant be happy.. Bradley, Evans, Burton setting the merit for him as well.
MAX 14M per year should be signed

Right now I think 10m might be more than enough

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10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal

Isn't market price the price teams want to pay? Boogie took 5m, Bradley 12,5m/y, Randle 9m/y, when nobody wants to pay him more, why should we?

[League Circles]

[quote="Ralphb07"]

10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal[/quote]
The beauty of the 1+1 is precisely that he won't have to be a UFA next year. If he plays well,we can pick up the team option and then try to negotiate a long term extension to that.

Dicks? This guy was terrible last year and has never been good in 4 years. Anything they pay him is not being dicks. He's not facing any situation that every RFA before him hasn't.

I do think they're making a mistake if they don't make him any offer though.

Realistically if I were them, I'd offer him 4 choices:

1. 1+1 for like 18mil in year 1, then team option for 18 mil in year 2

2. 5 year deal for 9 million per year

3. Go get an offer sheet and we'll decide to match or not

4. Play on the QO

[PrimzyBulls81]

Whats his QO?

[Onibuh]

If Lavine figures it out and you have lowballed him too much he'll walk in 1 year without any compensation. Just take the risk and take care of Problems later.
Go and try to get Lonzo with Deng and if you get him and Lavine signed, try to get Parker. All that's left is to get rid of Lopez or Felicio somehow.

[Axolotl]

So far the Bulls have been great in the FA-market...

We aren't trying to win right now so who the **** cares?

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I actually meant what I said This is exactly what they should be doing - just wait it out, and then play the rookies + the Butler triplets heavy minutes.

By all star break we should be wiser on what we've got, and ready hit the 2019 FA market.

[JimmyJammer]

Right now I think 10m might be more than enough

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10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal

Isn't market price the price teams want to pay? Boogie took 5m, Bradley 12,5m/y, Randle 9m/y, when nobody wants to pay him more, why should we?

You can't compare restricted free-agents attractiveness to the market to unrestricted free-agents attractiveness to the market. As you can see, there are no high-profile restricted free-agents who have gotten an offer from another team yet. The uncertainty of the other team matching is to blame. Besides, teams cannot officially sign free-agents until July 6th. So, what's the point of tendering an offer now to a restricted free-agent which the other team will have 72 hours from July 6th to match? Look at guys like Nurkic, Parker with no official offers. LaVine will probably get an official offer from another team around July 6th.

[petebraun0]

probable bulls depth chart

dunn grant payne

lavine holiday blakeney

Nwaba hutchison valentine

Markannan Portis Vonleh

Lopez Carter Felicio Asik

Is the above a 30 win team.

Happy with dunn; and possibly Payne if he improves.

Happy with lavine; wonder who the backup 2 guard will be: Holiday or Blakeney.

Not happy at the small forward spot. Valentine will probably start

very happy with our power forwards. Great depth.

decent centers with Lopez and Carter.

Now, let's bring in Tyreke Evans to replace Blakeney. And during the season, trade Valentine or Nwaba for a
1st round pick, to bring in a more athletic 3.

Next year, our first rounder has to be a top 3, and round out the above.

so for free agency: we still need to sign Lavine, Nwaba and Vonleh. Signing Randle over Vonleh would have been nice. not sure why we were not interested. the Pelicans just improved a tad, considering he is better than a hurt Cousins.
And, I'd love to sign Tyreke Evans to replace Blakeney; and let Evans and Lavine fight it out for the starting spot. There is no reason we should have one of the lowest payrolls in the league. We sell out every game. let's bring in some talent.

[Ralphb07]

Right now I think 10m might be more than enough

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10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal

Isn't market price the price teams want to pay? Boogie took 5m, Bradley 12,5m/y, Randle 9m/y, when nobody wants to pay him more, why should we?

If Zach LaVine was a UFA he’d have plenty of offers right now. The reason he hasn’t or Capella or Parker is because they are restricted and teams usually don’t want to freeze that money on someone they know will be matched. Aaron Gordon signed 4/82 and no one offered him a offer sheet. Should Orlando of been like well we know if you were UFA you’d get such offer but you’re not so get here’s 13 mil a year? Gordon would of took his QO and bolted after the season.

It’s been reported by Nick and KC that the Bulls/value on Zach is 14-16 mil. Do you think the Bulls are letting him walk if he signed a offer sheet of 17-18 mil? Do you think these teams are that stupid that they are like man let’s offer Zach 17 mil freeze our money because the Bulls aren’t matching that? That’s why teams are yet to offer him and why no RFA has gotten an offer outside of their current teams.

[Jvaughn]

Guys can we stop bringing up Cousins $5.3 mil as the reason Lavine should get paid less? We all know that was highly irregular and that Cousins could've gotten several million more with multiple teams. He took that small salary to go ring chase. It has no bearing on how much Lavine should get.

[League Circles]

10 mil lmao that’s funny. A couple of things to remember. Zach is a RFA and the reasons teams yet have offered him anything is because they know they’d have to overpay to sign him. The Kings know at 17 mil the Bulls will match so they’d have to overpay to like 20-21 to get him. So the Bulls can’t be dicks and have to be fair because if they extremely low ball him he’s signs his QO or a 1 + 1 and enters FA unrestricted next year which the Bulls should not want. 14-17 mil for him is fair and is something though he may feel he deserves more that number is enough to sign the long term deal

Isn't market price the price teams want to pay? Boogie took 5m, Bradley 12,5m/y, Randle 9m/y, when nobody wants to pay him more, why should we?

If Zach LaVine was a UFA he’d have plenty of offers right now. The reason he hasn’t or Capella or Parker is because they are restricted and teams usually don’t want to freeze that money on someone they know will be matched. Aaron Gordon signed 4/82 and no one offered him a offer sheet. Should Orlando of been like well we know if you were UFA you’d get such offer but you’re not so get here’s 13 mil a year? Gordon would of took his QO and bolted after the season.

It’s been reported by Nick and KC that the Bulls/value on Zach is 14-16 mil. Do you think the Bulls are letting him walk if he signed a offer sheet of 17-18 mil? Do you think these teams are that stupid that they are like man let’s offer Zach 17 mil freeze our money because the Bulls aren’t matching that? That’s why teams are yet to offer him and why no RFA has gotten an offer outside of their current teams.

I'm not sure on the specifics, but IIRC barely anyone has any cap space left. I don't think the money really exists for these guys to get many offers.

Also not sure about Friedell but as far as KC, if you're referring to the story that yielded this thread title, KC said it was his speculative opinion, not reporting anything.

Lastly, Orlando isn't a very good FO.

[Ralphb07]

Isn't market price the price teams want to pay? Boogie took 5m, Bradley 12,5m/y, Randle 9m/y, when nobody wants to pay him more, why should we?

If Zach LaVine was a UFA he’d have plenty of offers right now. The reason he hasn’t or Capella or Parker is because they are restricted and teams usually don’t want to freeze that money on someone they know will be matched. Aaron Gordon signed 4/82 and no one offered him a offer sheet. Should Orlando of been like well we know if you were UFA you’d get such offer but you’re not so get here’s 13 mil a year? Gordon would of took his QO and bolted after the season.

It’s been reported by Nick and KC that the Bulls/value on Zach is 14-16 mil. Do you think the Bulls are letting him walk if he signed a offer sheet of 17-18 mil? Do you think these teams are that stupid that they are like man let’s offer Zach 17 mil freeze our money because the Bulls aren’t matching that? That’s why teams are yet to offer him and why no RFA has gotten an offer outside of their current teams.

I'm not sure on the specifics, but IIRC barely anyone has any cap space left. I don't think the money really exists for these guys to get many offers.

Also not sure about Friedell but as far as KC, if you're referring to the story that yielded this thread title, KC said it was his speculative opinion, not reporting anything.

Lastly, Orlando isn't a very good FO.

You are missing the point greatly. Yes teams don't have space left, it's only Atlanta, Sacramento and Chicago. What RFA has been offered anything this summer? You can't be farsighted and look at only this year. You need to see what can happen when all these guys become UFA if you can't lock them up.

Teams can't even sign offer sheets until the league starts which hurts RFA from getting offers because teams if agree with a RFA on say July 1 needs to operate from then until July 6th as not having that money. Free agency is already over pretty much right now so a team would miss out on everyone. Teams can't take that chance.

So why fans look at him not getting sign they are like no one wants him so offer him 10 mil when in fact no RFA is wanted by that theory. It's not how it works though.

[TheSuzerain]

Guys can we stop bringing up Cousins $5.3 mil as the reason Lavine should get paid less? We all know that was highly irregular and that Cousins could've gotten several million more with multiple teams. He took that small salary to go ring chase. It has no bearing on how much Lavine should get.

It's a very good reason actually.

There is highly unlikely to be any suitors for Lavine. We should adjust our offer accordingly.

[StunnerKO]

Lol yea keep dreaming , RFA usually take awhile to get off the market . It’s only the beginning of Day 3 , Lavine gonna get 16-19 mill per prob from us . Atlanta still s threat because they haven’t made moves either and never count the possibility wanting to make cap room out of the blue.

[Jvaughn]

Guys can we stop bringing up Cousins $5.3 mil as the reason Lavine should get paid less? We all know that was highly irregular and that Cousins could've gotten several million more with multiple teams. He took that small salary to go ring chase. It has no bearing on how much Lavine should get.

It's a very good reason actually.

There is highly unlikely to be any suitors for Lavine. We should adjust our offer accordingly.

You think the fact that Cousins voluntarily took a $25 million paycut to get an easy ring on a super team is ammo for us to low ball Lavine? I'm not sure in what world those two things are correlated.

There aren't a ton of teams out there with cap space, but there are enough that if we offer him something offensive, he can simply go get a much better deal elsewhere, or take the QO and bolt next year where he'll definitely get way more.

If that's what some posters want anyway I can see trying to get him to leave, but I'm seeing people say we should offer him sub $10 million. You can't seriously think he's going to accept a mediocre offer because of the DeMarcus Cousins situation.

[StunnerKO]

Also report is Boogie was lying about the no offers thing it was narrowed down to Warriors and Boston and Pelicans reportedly offered him triple what he took from the Warriors he just didn’t like it and got in his feelings.


Even more wild all the anger documented he had at KD for jumping ship he does the same

[PrimzyBulls81]

probable bulls depth chart

dunn grant payne

lavine holiday blakeney

Nwaba hutchison valentine

Markannan Portis Vonleh

Lopez Carter Felicio Asik

Is the above a 30 win team.

I think Kilpatrick can give hard battle for SG spot too.. also Im happy for rebuilding season with
Hutchinson and Valentine as two primary SF.. Also Vonleh wont be back,unless we can dump Felicio and Asik
let the youth play as much as possible,so we see what we got and what to look for in 2019 FA

[TheSuzerain]

Guys can we stop bringing up Cousins $5.3 mil as the reason Lavine should get paid less? We all know that was highly irregular and that Cousins could've gotten several million more with multiple teams. He took that small salary to go ring chase. It has no bearing on how much Lavine should get.

It's a very good reason actually.

There is highly unlikely to be any suitors for Lavine. We should adjust our offer accordingly.

You think the fact that Cousins voluntarily took a $25 million paycut to get an easy ring on a super team is ammo for us to low ball Lavine? I'm not sure in what world those two things are correlated.

There aren't a ton of teams out there with cap space, but there are enough that if we offer him something offensive, he can simply go get a much better deal elsewhere, or take the QO and bolt next year where he'll definitely get way more.

If that's what some posters want anyway I can see trying to get him to leave, but I'm seeing people say we should offer him sub $10 million. You can't seriously think he's going to accept a mediocre offer because of the DeMarcus Cousins situation.

Please source the claim that Cousins took a $25 million paycut.

[Jvaughn]

You think the fact that Cousins voluntarily took a $25 million paycut to get an easy ring on a super team is ammo for us to low ball Lavine? I'm not sure in what world those two things are correlated.

There aren't a ton of teams out there with cap space, but there are enough that if we offer him something offensive, he can simply go get a much better deal elsewhere, or take the QO and bolt next year where he'll definitely get way more.

If that's what some posters want anyway I can see trying to get him to leave, but I'm seeing people say we should offer him sub $10 million. You can't seriously think he's going to accept a mediocre offer because of the DeMarcus Cousins situation.

Please source the claim that Cousins took a $25 million paycut.

Pretty sure his max is in the $30 mil+ range yearly (similar to PGs deal). And if you don't think the Lakers would've gladly given him that to pair him with Lebron, I don't know what to tell you. Are you trying to say his worth on the open market is only $5.3 mil????

[Lauri_Legend]

Pls not Jabari. Surgically repaired ACL in each knee right?

Could he tear an ACL again if both knees were blown out? Then again, now I'd be scared for his meniscus