OT: Warriors Replace Javale McGee with Boogie Cousins

[dakomish23]

Yes

Remember when folks said they wouldn’t trade WHG for Boogie?

Good times.

Same people in here bitching.

Everyone wants talent but many don’t want to do the things that have to be done to acquire it.

[Greenie]

Irving/Dinwiddie
Russell/Crabbe
Butler/Levert
Hollis-Jefferson/
Allen/


I don’t know. Looking kinda nice.

looks more like a pu-pu platter since they probably can't keep both Russell and RHJ after next season.

Not saying we're much better, but still....

Why couldn’t they?
They bird rights for both.

[Clyde_Style]

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[dakomish23]

The modern nba player is soft and afraid of failure and afraid of being challenged. Not a surprise when the world has become more social media driven, shallow, and instant-gratification seeking. Boston and LA started it with those sweat heart trades from former Alum (West sending Gasol to the Lakers so they could win, McHale sending KG to Boston so they could win) and then continued with Lebron making his super team in Miami. GSW just taking this to the next level and beyond with KD and now Cousins although I don't think the Cousins signing really increases their chances all that much since there's risk involved with his fit and chemistry.

Oh well. Knicks should just course-correct and focus on building a contender for 2021 or 2022. Next season is a must tank and perhaps even the season after...

And yet people think that tanking is wrong in a league like this.

And think it’s ok that the vets play over the kids. All last year there were so many excuses to not play the kids as the FO chased LHF.

Now that the FO has finally decided to focus more youth, suddenly those same people are on board.

Hmmm, what’s the common theme here?

[GONYK]

Irving/Dinwiddie
Russell/Crabbe
Butler/Levert
Hollis-Jefferson/
Allen/


I don’t know. Looking kinda nice.

looks more like a pu-pu platter since they probably can't keep both Russell and RHJ after next season.

Not saying we're much better, but still....

Why couldn’t they?
They bird rights for both.

I think they only have 2 MAX slots if they renounce those players, unless they find a way to move Crabbe.

[Clyde_Style]

It might not be good for his career to go against Silver like that, but after a dictator imprisons your family it probably pales in comparison. Props to Kanter for being that ballsy.

[Phish Tank]

looks more like a pu-pu platter since they probably can't keep both Russell and RHJ after next season.

Not saying we're much better, but still....

Why couldn’t they?
They bird rights for both.

I think they only have 2 MAX slots if they renounce those players, unless they find a way to move Crabbe.

As of now, they have about $39M in active salaries heading into 2019 before signing all the draft picks. About $13M in cap holds heading into 2019. Factor in draft picks it could be about $55M.

So $54M can techincally net you Butler and Kyrie, but you then have to fill half the roster with everyone else, including Russell & RHJ.

You could trade Crabbe, but not sure how likely that will be.

[GONYK]

Why couldn’t they?
They bird rights for both.

I think they only have 2 MAX slots if they renounce those players, unless they find a way to move Crabbe.

As of now, they have about $39M before signing all the draft picks in active salaries. About $13M in cap holds heading into 2019. Factor in draft picks it could be about $55M.

So $54M can techincally net you Butler and Kyrie, but you then have to fill half the roster with everyone else, including Russell & RHJ.

You could trade Crabbe, but not sure how likely that will be.

Does the MAX start at only $27M?

[Phish Tank]

I think they only have 2 MAX slots if they renounce those players, unless they find a way to move Crabbe.

As of now, they have about $39M before signing all the draft picks in active salaries. About $13M in cap holds heading into 2019. Factor in draft picks it could be about $55M.

So $54M can techincally net you Butler and Kyrie, but you then have to fill half the roster with everyone else, including Russell & RHJ.

You could trade Crabbe, but not sure how likely that will be.

Does the MAX start at only $27M?

nope, 30% of cap for Butler & Kyrie since they've been in the league for 7-9 years. So it'll start at 32.7M hypothetically and if they take some cuts they can aim for 27M each.

Still wouldn't matter much because you can't just fill the rest of the roster with scrubs

[GONYK]

As of now, they have about $39M before signing all the draft picks in active salaries. About $13M in cap holds heading into 2019. Factor in draft picks it could be about $55M.

So $54M can techincally net you Butler and Kyrie, but you then have to fill half the roster with everyone else, including Russell & RHJ.

You could trade Crabbe, but not sure how likely that will be.

Does the MAX start at only $27M?

nope, 30% of cap for Butler & Kyrie since they've been in the league for 7-9 years. So it'll start at 32.7M hypothetically and if they take some cuts they can aim for 27M each.

Still wouldn't matter much because you can't just fill the rest of the roster with scrubs

That's what I had it at too. So they need Kyrie and Butler to take paycuts unless they renounce at least RHJ.

[Phish Tank]

Does the MAX start at only $27M?

nope, 30% of cap for Butler & Kyrie since they've been in the league for 7-9 years. So it'll start at 32.7M hypothetically and if they take some cuts they can aim for 27M each.

Still wouldn't matter much because you can't just fill the rest of the roster with scrubs

That's what I had it at too. So they need Kyrie and Butler to take paycuts unless they renounce at least RHJ.

probably both Russell and RHJ since RHJ's cap hold is not that high

[thebuzzardman]

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: the cap is based on the money that comes in so that’s just making sure the money spent doesn’t exceed what’s coming in. The exceptions are just that, exceptions, some of which don’t even count towards the cap but allows players to get paid in locations they otherwise wouldn’t be able to like... I dunno.... Boogie Cousins? That’s the opposite of limiting. I’m on record against the max contract also, because if we paid guys what they were really worth there wouldn’t be room for three or four of them on one team. If they insist on max contracts then it needs to be much higher, like 50 or 60% of the cap. At that point its kind of pointless to have them.

So yeah, why are we so hellbent on preventing guys to live where they want and make more money? It doesn’t make sense.

I'll answer directly without all the right wing assh*le quotes in the middle of it.

I don't care if he did it or not, not really. Certainly not based on the current system or his right to choose where and what he wants to play for, salary wise and location wise. That's one of the benefits of FA, besides the ability to move and move for more money only.

I don't know who the "we" is that is hellbent against it.

My point is the league already operates under a set of restrictions when it comes to salary. In the current context, whatever. They could also come up with a better set of restrictions - none, more, different...that work better than the current set up.

I don't think the NFL and the NHL made their changes based on competition, but that certainly turned out to be the end result. Well, maybe the NHL, where market is much more significant. Since the NFL shares all TV money, market size matters less and honestly, there cap feels more about keeping money in the owners pockets. Or maybe they really do care about parity. Not sure.

NBA is a private league, so within reason, can go about reorganizing how they pay players and do business, within reason.


There. It isn't only right wing conspiracy assh*les who like the free market.

The 'we' is/was everyone complaining about this move as if it's new or the end of the league as we know it. Many on this board and others have claimed the NBA has work to do in order to prevent a Boogie Cousins from going to the Warriors, and I'm wondering what 'they' are basing that decision on. Is it that he shouldn't be able to take less in order to play for them? Or is it that he's just too good of a player? Are we now going to start saying players with a certain number of All Star appearances or All NBA slots aren't allowed to join champions or teams with other All Stars? Why are 'we' so concerned with limiting them in that regard, be it financially or location-wise? There's nothing to be done to prevent people from earning less money lol.. And if you're a free market guy, then like me, you don't want to cap the earnings of players either.

Again, the restrictions are based primarily on basketball related income as a whole, but no one is concerned with how much owners are allowed to make, even though they are the ones limiting the players' salaries. The NHL and MLB or any other league have different values and different obstacles to maneuver, so their rules will inevitably have to be different. I'm not sure what those leagues have to do with this discussion.

I'm not sure where the repeated remarks on right wing politics are coming from in this discussion. I mentioned earlier that to me this has nothing to do with right vs. left, so no need to mention it further honestly. My point was/is just because there are already some restrictions in place doesn't mean we should be adding any more. Rather, perhaps the solution lies in removing some.

Could be in removing restrictions, could be in adding some. I personally don't have an issue with what Cousins did. I think the competitive balance has been off in the league for awhile.

So long as no segment of teams (small market) complains or the money stops coming in, probably won't change. I'm not going to pretend it's all good though. This is a separate issue from Cousins specifically though.

Other leagues can be brought in - MLB, NFL, NHL - as leagues that altered the competitive balance, either as a reason directly, or as a side effect, of changes around monetary structure. And of course what the owners make matters - be it too much, not enough, some too much, etc. There's nothing wrong with discussing them in a general way. Obviously each sport is highly specific in terms of play, then also highly specific in their circumstances. Some parallels can be drawn though. Right off the bat, financially, the NBA is somewhere in the middle between extremely wealthy leagues - MLB and the NFL, and a league like the NHL, where smaller markets are a concern.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yea sorry, I didn't get an offer 3 days is one of the most bitchmade excuses I've ever heard. Let cousins go enjoy being Draymond's bitch.

not... good offers... NO offers. nothing to weigh.

again, think of your work life. no job offers. not, "this one vs. that one." you have to hit the pavement.

and that's a LIFETIME in free agency. even the marginal players are starting to worry. boogie belongs in the all-star tier of contract discussions. he wasn't even in that. avery bradley just got a bigger deal. nope. i'm not going to watch like captain idiot.

but ok. be mad at him for that.

3 days in for a player thats injured half the next season. This aint rocket science, he knew the deals were going to come in but he decided to ring chase which is fine but lets stop acting like he's the victim in all this.

how he know? we're now at the vet minimum portion of FA. how long was he supposed to wait with a thumb in his ass?

[Jeff Van Gully]

tell her what she wins, rod!

Spoiler:

winner. winner. it's a chicken dinner!

Sorry, it is incorrect that he could not get an offer for more elsewhere.

I have a bridge to sell you

Then where was the offer?
No formal offer was made. You know what that means?

No offer was made.


You guys are really trying to add **** to this mix. You can’t. No offers were made.

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[Oscirus]

not... good offers... NO offers. nothing to weigh.

again, think of your work life. no job offers. not, "this one vs. that one." you have to hit the pavement.

and that's a LIFETIME in free agency. even the marginal players are starting to worry. boogie belongs in the all-star tier of contract discussions. he wasn't even in that. avery bradley just got a bigger deal. nope. i'm not going to watch like captain idiot.

but ok. be mad at him for that.

3 days in for a player thats injured half the next season. This aint rocket science, he knew the deals were going to come in but he decided to ring chase which is fine but lets stop acting like he's the victim in all this.

how he know? we're now at the vet minimum portion of FA. how long was he supposed to wait with a thumb in his ass?

Says who? Plenty of teams with cap space out there. In the long run he just screwed himself out of a bigger payday, because he signed with the wrong team to highlight his skills. Hope the rings worth riding the bench for.

[fatalogic]

Greenie burning down all the hypocrisy.

[CharlesOakley]

Does no one remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone joining the Lakers? This is older than LBJ.

[DOT]

Does no one remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone joining the Lakers? This is older than LBJ.

Yeah, but those guys were like 40 when it happened

Franchises have been building superteams since Bill Russell

Wilt joining the Lakers is probably the earliest example of a top player joining an already great team

I just don't like it from a fan perspective cause it makes the NBA less enjoyable when it's taken to this extent

[GONYK]

Does no one remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone joining the Lakers? This is older than LBJ.

Yeah, but those guys were like 40 when it happened

Franchises have been building superteams since Bill Russell

Wilt joining the Lakers is probably the earliest example of a top player joining an already great team

I just don't like it from a fan perspective cause it makes the NBA less enjoyable when it's taken to this extent

There is a difference between management building teams and players making the decision to stack up.

The first situation has been happening forever.

The second situation really only entered the equation with Lebron in Miami, which opened the door for everyone else.

The Warriors are the perfect hybrid of both.

[DOT]

Does no one remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone joining the Lakers? This is older than LBJ.

Yeah, but those guys were like 40 when it happened

Franchises have been building superteams since Bill Russell

Wilt joining the Lakers is probably the earliest example of a top player joining an already great team

I just don't like it from a fan perspective cause it makes the NBA less enjoyable when it's taken to this extent

There is a difference between management building teams and players making the decision to stack up.

The Warriors are kind of the hybrid of both.

Warriors built their core fair and square, and them winning 73 games with only Iggy being a FA signing proves that

Also, it's really CP and LeBron's fault for rejecting cap smoothing that the Warriors had the money to sign KD, also Steph's 11 million dollar contract being an absolute steal

I don't blame the Warriors as an organization. And I do think it's different when LeBron goes to a team that had to gut their entire roster to sign him and Bosh to KD only needing them to cut Bogut and keeping the rest of the core