Buckner: Wizards targeting Howard after buyout

Post #1 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:57 pm

Post #2 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:08 pm

If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

Shoe · Post #3 » by **Shoe** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:11 pm

Rivers, Green, Howard + Troy Brown - (Gortat,Scott). Not an awful off-season if it happens. Some players with playoff experience. Big personalities to shakeup the locker room.

MikeTheKid · Post #4 » by **MikeTheKid** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:13 pm

Oh Candace....................

FAH1223 · Post #5 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:18 pm

nate33 wrote:If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

“Don’t think it can’t get any worse, because it can.” - Flip Saunders

bledrules · Post #6 » by **bledrules** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:19 pm

Hey guys been a Washington fan since the 70's when they were the Bullets (I was always a huge fan of Greg Ballard)
IF EG can get Dwight Howard then he did a fine job this year.I'd have to believe it'll be a 1 year contract and Howard would have to be on his best behavior to secure his next contract
Adding Green is a step forward for the bench along with Oubre,Satoransky,Mahinmi,Rivers and Meeks the bench looks good the Starters will look good too
It would be a real nice year

I_Like_Dirt · Post #7 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:28 pm

nate33 wrote:If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

If he does sign, I expect he'd produce, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that things can't get worse where Dwight is concerned. Things literally did get worse for Charlotte when they dumped one of the lesser Plumlees for Dwight - yes, they had injuries, but they were never really in the game. Things also got better for the Rockets when they moved on from Dwight. Yes, Capela was good last season, but he was on the team with Dwight, too, and his minutes weren't all that different.

Say what you want about the chemistry, because Gortat and Wall weren't getting along off the court, but on the court they still made things work and it's tough to say they underachieved owing to chemistry, specifically even though they couldn't stand coexisting. Howard seems to find ways to produce personally while getting his team to underachieve and also getting all of his teammates mad at him in the process. This would suggest, and also seems to be corroborated by his teammates and the eye test, that he doesn't particularly enjoy doing the non-statistical stuff all that much, taking lots of credit, talking a big game, but leaving the other players on his team to try and cover for him, and/or forcing his team to adapt their game for his benefit rather than the team's.

Realistically, the Wizards still seem like they should have similar outcomes with or without Dwight. If they get perfect health from their key players, their upside is maybe a 4th seed. If they get a few injuries but noting devastating, they are a low rung playoff team. If they get a bunch of injuries, they just miss the playoffs. With Dwight, though, I always expect things can get worse, because he seems to find a way no matter how much people understandably want him to succeed.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #8 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:38 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
nate33 wrote:If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

If he does sign, I expect he'd produce, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that things can't get worse where Dwight is concerned. Things literally did get worse for Charlotte when they dumped one of the lesser Plumlees for Dwight - yes, they had injuries, but they were never really in the game. Things also got better for the Rockets when they moved on from Dwight. Yes, Capela was good last season, but he was on the team with Dwight, too, and his minutes weren't all that different.

Say what you want about the chemistry, because Gortat and Wall weren't getting along off the court, but on the court they still made things work and it's tough to say they underachieved owing to chemistry, specifically even though they couldn't stand coexisting. Howard seems to find ways to produce personally while getting his team to underachieve and also getting all of his teammates mad at him in the process. This would suggest, and also seems to be corroborated by his teammates and the eye test, that he doesn't particularly enjoy doing the non-statistical stuff all that much, taking lots of credit, talking a big game, but leaving the other players on his team to try and cover for him, and/or forcing his team to adapt their game for his benefit rather than the team's.

Realistically, the Wizards still seem like they should have similar outcomes with or without Dwight. If they get perfect health from their key players, their upside is maybe a 4th seed. If they get a few injuries but noting devastating, they are a low rung playoff team. If they get a bunch of injuries, they just miss the playoffs. With Dwight, though, I always expect things can get worse, because he seems to find a way no matter how much people understandably want him to succeed.

+1 on this.

There are no good kind of cancers.

Post #9 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:45 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
nate33 wrote:If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

If he does sign, I expect he'd produce, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that things can't get worse where Dwight is concerned. Things literally did get worse for Charlotte when they dumped one of the lesser Plumlees for Dwight - yes, they had injuries, but they were never really in the game. Things also got better for the Rockets when they moved on from Dwight. Yes, Capela was good last season, but he was on the team with Dwight, too, and his minutes weren't all that different.

Say what you want about the chemistry, because Gortat and Wall weren't getting along off the court, but on the court they still made things work and it's tough to say they underachieved owing to chemistry, specifically even though they couldn't stand coexisting. Howard seems to find ways to produce personally while getting his team to underachieve and also getting all of his teammates mad at him in the process. This would suggest, and also seems to be corroborated by his teammates and the eye test, that he doesn't particularly enjoy doing the non-statistical stuff all that much, taking lots of credit, talking a big game, but leaving the other players on his team to try and cover for him, and/or forcing his team to adapt their game for his benefit rather than the team's.

Realistically, the Wizards still seem like they should have similar outcomes with or without Dwight. If they get perfect health from their key players, their upside is maybe a 4th seed. If they get a few injuries but noting devastating, they are a low rung playoff team. If they get a bunch of injuries, they just miss the playoffs. With Dwight, though, I always expect things can get worse, because he seems to find a way no matter how much people understandably want him to succeed.

Tough to argue with this. You are right. Things could indeed get worse.

One thing in our favor is that if Dwight becomes a real pain, there's no reason not to bench him. In Charlotte, they had 20 million reasons not to bench him.

daSwami · Post #10 » by **daSwami** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:57 pm

Who starts the 'Dwight Howard is Suck' thread? Because it's bound to happen.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #11 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 10:59 pm

Very true. The issue with benching Dwight is we know thr Wizards won't go centerless, and we also know Mahinmi will be taking up one of the highly coveted IR spots due to being able to wear a fancy suit and all much of the time. Whichever vet the Wizards sign is probably going to play, though Jason Smith is always an option......

Post #12 » by **montestewart** » Wed Jul 4, 2018 12:14 am

nate33 wrote:If we get him for the vet minimum, it's tough to complain. The guy is a total cancer in the locker room, but he is still in the top half of starting centers in this league. We already had a cancerous situation in the locker room so I don't see how Dwight makes it worse.

Doctors usually say that multiple cancers are better than just one.