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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#121 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Jul 4, 2018 3:14 pm

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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#122 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 4, 2018 3:18 pm

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NatP4 wrote:..Green (will) ...take all of Brown’s PT. ...green could honestly take PT from both Oubre and Brown. You just know, Green and Rivers won’t be receiving DNPs to start the season...

I think there is absolutely no chance that Brooks commits to small ball after these off-season signings, no? Think about it - he is going to have to play Dwight/Mahinmi - no problem there. But then he has Green/Morris. He LOVES Morris. And he isn't going to NOT play Green - it just isn't going to happen. So, I see no way that he doesn't have a Dwight/Morris and Mahimni/Green rotation.

The guys that will be out of playing time with the recent signings will be Sato/Brown. ...

By the end of last season, Brooks had grown pretty comfortable with benching Mahinmi and playing Morris at center. I hope and expect him to do the same this year, which should free up more PF minutes for Porter to play there a bit, which gives Oubre more minutes.

I don't really think Brown is going to play that much in his rookie year, not unless he can learn to hit 3's.

Green = Scott. He'll get Scott's 1400 minutes. Maybe he'll get another 200 minutes from Kieff. Brooks had no trouble taking minutes from Kieff last season, & that might well continue.

Oubre was 3d on the team in total minutes last year.

Rivers certainly won't get any DNPs to start the season -- that's for sure! Meeks is suspended. There are plenty of minutes to go around, & Beal needs to play less anyway. The more Rivers plays the worse we'll be, but that won't keep him on the bench.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

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Post#124 » by pcbothwel » Wed Jul 4, 2018 3:36 pm

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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#125 » by NatP4 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 4:21 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:I think there is absolutely no chance that Brooks commits to small ball after these off-season signings, no? Think about it - he is going to have to play Dwight/Mahinmi - no problem there. But then he has Green/Morris. He LOVES Morris. And he isn't going to NOT play Green - it just isn't going to happen. So, I see no way that he doesn't have a Dwight/Morris and Mahimni/Green rotation.

The guys that will be out of playing time with the recent signings will be Sato/Brown. ...

By the end of last season, Brooks had grown pretty comfortable with benching Mahinmi and playing Morris at center. I hope and expect him to do the same this year, which should free up more PF minutes for Porter to play there a bit, which gives Oubre more minutes.

I don't really think Brown is going to play that much in his rookie year, not unless he can learn to hit 3's.

Green = Scott. He'll get Scott's 1400 minutes. Maybe he'll get another 200 minutes from Kieff. Brooks had no trouble taking minutes from Kieff last season, & that might well continue.

Oubre was 3d on the team in total minutes last year.

Rivers certainly won't get any DNPs to start the season -- that's for sure! Meeks is suspended. There are plenty of minutes to go around, & Beal needs to play less anyway. The more Rivers plays the worse we'll be, but that won't keep him on the bench.


What type of logic is that? Oubre was 3rd in minutes because of injuries only.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#126 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jul 4, 2018 4:40 pm

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If he develops, unfortunately, even though Green could be a nice piece, he’s going to take all of Brown’s PT. Hell, if Brooks doesn’t commit to small ball, green could honestly take PT from both Oubre and Brown. You just know, Green and Rivers won’t be receiving DNPs to start the season. You got Green, Rivers, Mahinmi, 2 other bench spots, one of which will receive close to no playing time anyways (will be Sato)

All of it could be shifted perfectly if Morris was simply waived or dumped for nothing

I think there is absolutely no chance that Brooks commits to small ball after these off-season signings, no? Think about it - he is going to have to play Dwight/Mahinmi - no problem there. But then he has Green/Morris. He LOVES Morris. And he isn't going to NOT play Green - it just isn't going to happen. So, I see no way that he doesn't have a Dwight/Morris and Mahimni/Green rotation.

The guys that will be out of playing time with the recent signings will be Sato/Brown. He has no faith in Sato and will play Rivers at the backup PG unless things get really bad. And he is going to play Rivers/Oubre ahead of Brown, no?

By the end of last season, Brooks had grown pretty comfortable with benching Mahinmi and playing Morris at center. I hope and expect him to do the same this year, which should free up more PF minutes for Porter to play there a bit, which gives Oubre more minutes.

I don't really think Brown is going to play that much in his rookie year, not unless he can learn to hit 3's.

Agreed on Brown. I am not sure that playing Morris at C is the answer either... The real question is the number of minutes that either Porter or Oubre play at PF, correct?

And there is the interesting trend (that I missed). According to BasketballReference.com, Porter played 10% of his minutes at PF in 16/17 and 34% of his minutes at PF in 17/18. So, that is trending in the right direction. Oubre actually played 7% of his minutes at PF up from 3%. Which means we were playing "small ball" just over 20% of the time. Do you see that changing - I don't. I am thinking that it will actually go down with Dwight and Green on the roster or at best say the same.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#127 » by Gig18 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 4:43 pm

NatP4 wrote:
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nate33 wrote:By the end of last season, Brooks had grown pretty comfortable with benching Mahinmi and playing Morris at center. I hope and expect him to do the same this year, which should free up more PF minutes for Porter to play there a bit, which gives Oubre more minutes.

I don't really think Brown is going to play that much in his rookie year, not unless he can learn to hit 3's.

Green = Scott. He'll get Scott's 1400 minutes. Maybe he'll get another 200 minutes from Kieff. Brooks had no trouble taking minutes from Kieff last season, & that might well continue.

Oubre was 3d on the team in total minutes last year.

Rivers certainly won't get any DNPs to start the season -- that's for sure! Meeks is suspended. There are plenty of minutes to go around, & Beal needs to play less anyway. The more Rivers plays the worse we'll be, but that won't keep him on the bench.


What type of logic is that? Oubre was 3rd in minutes because of injuries only.

You know there is the old adage of competition raising everyone's game. We don't know what will happen, but maybe guys being pushed inside their own building will make the whole team better.
We have enough players now too to give us flexibility, to play small, big, in between. Could be interesting. I still think Oubre will turn out to be pretty good. I think he really wants to be good.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#128 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:05 pm

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well I have to say I was pleasantly surprised to see the Howard and Green signings last night. I had convinced myself we were staying pat after the Grunfeeld interview saying he was comfortable with Mahinmi as the starter. I would like to see us sign Lawson, I liked the way he played for us and the tempo he brings off the bench.


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NBAWashington eyeing Jamal Crawford, Ty Lawson, among othersby Danny Smal lJuly 3, 2018 According to Candace Buckner of the Washington Post, the Wizards are eyeing Jamal Crawford, Additionally, Buckner reports that Washington is also interested in veteran point guard Ty Lawson.

But their interest in the veterans on the market indicate their willingness to give this roster a shot to compete in the Eastern Conference. With LeBron James’ departure, the East has completely opened up.

The Wizards are in an odd position. They have a lot of money invested into three players—John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Otto Porter Jr. All three players are excellent, but are they good enough to knock off the likes of the Boston Celtics and the Philadelphia 76ers? Probably not.

But they’re going to give it their best shot.

Of the multiple guys that the Wizards are reportedly targeting, Crawford and Lawson are the best fits. Lawson provided decent minutes off the bench for Washington in the playoffs. Additionally, Crawford is the consummate professional. He’s a veteran that can immediately provide a scoring touch off the bench.

Not to mention, Crawford’s influence around the team may help repair a tumultuous locker room.

Brooks and Grunfeld hate Sato.

It makes me so angry. Sato is the perfect guard to pair with Rivers, and he plays well alongside Beal as well. We don't need Lawson or Crawford.

Well, they also seem to hate winning, so no surprise there. Sato might have been waived by now, if Wall never got injured last season.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#129 » by prime1time » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:08 pm

I love the signing. A motivated Howard can be a force. I think Wiz are the 2nd best team in the East. Philly will be tough, but if we can figure out or defense and sagging off of Simmons we should be ok. 2 years ago we were 49-33 with a great run in the 2nd half of the season. That team flamed out due to a lack of depth. This team has more depth, more experience and more talent than those previous teams. Beal, Porter and Oubre all have elements of there game that should be better than last year - ball handling and play making. Even Wall improved significantly last year, shooting 37% from three. I spent about an hour and a half last night looking at Howard videos from last year. He still has it, he just needs to be motivated. I might not work out, but if it does we would have signed a 3 time defensive player of the year who can anchor a great defense.
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Post#130 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:14 pm

This is gonna be an "interesting" team to watch next season. Not gonna lie, I'm looking forward to it!
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Post#131 » by deneem4 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:36 pm

To hear this forum talk about whos going to get minutes is refreshing...we have enough quality depth that we have to figure out the minutes situation...
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Post#132 » by closg00 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:48 pm

LOL @ the current Tap story about GSW and Howard.
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Post#133 » by queridiculo » Wed Jul 4, 2018 5:55 pm

closg00 wrote:LOL @ the current Tap story about GSW and Howard.


I mean, how on earth did things go so sideways for Howard?

Didn't he have a 30/30 game just a few months ago, how much of a colossal **** do you have to be to be for teams to just categorically rule out signing you.
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Post#134 » by nate33 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 6:15 pm

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closg00 wrote:LOL @ the current Tap story about GSW and Howard.


I mean, how on earth did things go so sideways for Howard?

Didn't he have a 30/30 game just a few months ago, how much of a colossal **** do you have to be to be for teams to just categorically rule out signing you.

Yeah, I really want to know why people hate him so much.

He's never been overtly lazy on the court like Cousins. He's always defended pretty well (some years better than others, but never awful) and he's always rebounded like a beast. Off the court, he seems like a reasonably nice guy, at least in interviews. The only concrete thing I've heard about him that's negative is that he always wants the ball to play his old school post up game, even though it's not an effective way of scoring in this league. But when you look at his USG%, it's typically between 18 and 24, which is a bit high for a center but not what I would consider to be overly selfish. His ORtg is consistently league average or better (despite the woeful FT shooting) so it's not like he's wildly inefficient. His on/off differential has been positive in every year of his career except Atlanta 2 years ago.

I'm not defending him. Obviously there's something to the anti-Howard sentiment because every team wants to get rid of him as soon as they get him. I'm just trying to put my finger on what exactly the problem is.
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Post#135 » by trast66 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 6:30 pm

Ted wants to keep Sato and Oubre, he mentioned them in his post season Teds Take. As mentioned above it’s doable if able to move Mahinmi for a first rounder.
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Post#136 » by keynote » Wed Jul 4, 2018 6:33 pm

The vibe I get is that he's just extremely annoying. He's the guy that's always cracking jokes that aren't nearly as funny as he thinks they are -- and he doesn't have an off-switch or filter to know when to stop. He's the guy that thinks he's cooler and more important than he is. Everyone try to humor him at first, but eventually, he pushes them past their breaking point.

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Post#137 » by DCZards » Wed Jul 4, 2018 6:56 pm

keynote wrote:The vibe I get is that he's just extremely annoying. He's the guy that's always cracking jokes that aren't nearly as funny as he thinks they are -- and he doesn't have an off-switch or filter to know when to stop. He's the guy that thinks he's cooler and more important than he is. Everyone try to humor him at first, but eventually, he pushes them past their breaking point.

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If those are truly the things that make Dwight a "bad teammate" then I think he'll be fine in the Zards' lockerroom. Those traits are far from what I would call cancerous.
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Post#138 » by nate33 » Wed Jul 4, 2018 7:11 pm

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keynote wrote:The vibe I get is that he's just extremely annoying. He's the guy that's always cracking jokes that aren't nearly as funny as he thinks they are -- and he doesn't have an off-switch or filter to know when to stop. He's the guy that thinks he's cooler and more important than he is. Everyone try to humor him at first, but eventually, he pushes them past their breaking point.

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If those are truly the things that make Dwight a "bad teammate" then I think he'll be fine in the Zards' lockerroom. Those traits are far from what I would call cancerous.

Yeah, it's gotta be more than that. People aren't saying "he's kind of a weird dude," or "he's a bit of a wise-ass". They're saying "I don't ever want to play with that SOB again!"
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Post#139 » by Earth2Ted » Wed Jul 4, 2018 7:30 pm

Brendan Haywood talks about it on larrybrownsports.com.

He -and others- paint the picture of Dwight as the holier than thou, self-anointed leader who preaches self responsibility during locker speeches and turns around and acts like a whining, pouting, Debbie downer, finger pointing crybaby himself.

As others have said here and elsewhere, if he is healthy and producing like he did last year, with him putting up 32-30 games, then the locker room stuff can't possibly be any worse than it was last year between Wall and Gortat. Or can it?

For now, I think I will be psyched about the signing, and be content watching Howard's Orlando highlights on youtube, and enjoying the illusion that he is the same player that he was his first 5 years in the league.
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Post#140 » by Error Afflalo » Wed Jul 4, 2018 8:44 pm

trast66 wrote:Ted wants to keep Sato and Oubre, he mentioned them in his post season Teds Take. As mentioned above it’s doable if able to move Mahinmi for a first rounder.


I really hope they don't use a 1st to dump Mahinmi with a year left on his deal unless they're getting someone useful in return. With the cap and tax line going up, they can afford to stretch his last year and pay $5M per over three years. They can't afford to keep throwing away draft picks to fix Ernie's stupid mistakes.

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