Kings Off-Season

[KF10]

Jackson hasn’t really impressed so far. I would be happy if he can produce at a level what Francisco Garcia played for us in this upcoming season. I think that would be a feasible expectation for Jackson to strive for, imo.

[SacKingZZZ]

Jackson hasn’t really impressed so far. I would be happy if he can produce at a level what Francisco Garcia played for us in this upcoming season. I think that would be a feasible expectation for Jackson to strive for, imo.

Cisco was the player he reminded me of coming out of college. He's a useful rotation type so he's not a waste.

[KF10]

Jackson hasn’t really impressed so far. I would be happy if he can produce at a level what Francisco Garcia played for us in this upcoming season. I think that would be a feasible expectation for Jackson to strive for, imo.

Cisco was the player he reminded me of coming out of college. He's a useful rotation type so he's not a waste.

I thought Cisco was a lot more fiery and oozed confidence in college than Jackson ever did. I don't see that in Jackson yet.

As long as Jackson can be a reliable 3PT shooter and hustles on every play, I would be happy.

[SacKingZZZ]

Jackson hasn’t really impressed so far. I would be happy if he can produce at a level what Francisco Garcia played for us in this upcoming season. I think that would be a feasible expectation for Jackson to strive for, imo.

Cisco was the player he reminded me of coming out of college. He's a useful rotation type so he's not a waste.

I thought Cisco was a lot more fiery and oozed confidence in college than Jackson ever did. I don't see that in Jackson yet.

As long as Jackson can be a reliable 3PT shooter and hustles on every play, I would be happy.

Yeah different personalities but I think they have similar career arcs and skill. Cisco was a little better facilitating but he never got to use is so it didn't matter much.

[BoogieTime]

Capela/Nurkic for me still

[dozencousins]

Kings will sign Zach Lavine to an offer sheet .

Looks like the ball is in the Bulls court !

[teerfour+40LG]

So, Vlade has an obsession with athletic guys who have 0 bbiq.

[kingjawn100]

On the Bagley front let me see if i have this correct

Looks good SL Game 1 + Looks Bad SL Game 2 = A Bust?

Typical overreaction season.

It's clear he has a lot to work on but there's a lot to like there also. While he's gonna struggle as a help defender he's been pretty solid when his man goes at him 1 on 1. I know it's early but the wingspan concerns don't seem to be as much of a thing as he's gotten a bunch of blocks already. Sometimes lack of length isn't as much an issue if you have the bounce that he has.

Now the one thing a bit concerning is the rebounding/2nd jump stuff. It's hard finding box scores for these games but he hasn't really asserted himself on the glass. We'll see how he does vs Bam tomorrow.

[SacKingZZZ]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

[dozencousins]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Easy explanation it is called strategy . Kings like Lavine if Bulls don't match we get a solid player . Kings do expect the Bulls to match so if they do that hurts their available cap & thus helps us take another team in threat of available cap . Giving power for remainder of free agents and trades .

[kingjawn100]

With Lavine you have to look at it this way. If you think he gives you a change at having an elite shooting guard, roll out a lineup of FOX-LAVINE-SF-BAGLEY-WCS/HARRY. Trade a big for a defensive SF option (lavine will provide offensive pop) and bring both Bogi and Buddy off the bench.

You must remember, in the glory days of the kings Vlade played on a team with an ELITE bench. In the lineup above you have 4 players with the upside to turn into very good starters on a title contending team + an excellent bench. I don't know if i see Bogi or Buddy as a starter on a very good playoff team.

With Bogi i think you have a lot of flexibility where you could play him some at 3 or the more interesting move in giving him a lot of the backup PG responsibilities (mason seems more a journeyman than primary backup pg). Bogi seems to be the guy you want with the ball in his hand, question is could he get around the uber-athletic point guard defenders.

[kingjawn100]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

[BoogieTime]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

They are better than LaVine who has been bad post injury.

Handcuffing cap to a player who may never be solid post injury requires a tremendous belief in him or a lack of confidence in who you already have

[BoogieTime]

Kings will sign Zach Lavine to an offer sheet .

Looks like the ball is in the Bulls court !

I don’t think so

[dozencousins]

Kings will sign Zach Lavine to an offer sheet .

Looks like the ball is in the Bulls court !

I don’t think so

What do you mean by this ?

You don't think so why ?

[kingjawn100]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

They are better than LaVine who has been bad post injury.

Handcuffing cap to a player who may never be solid post injury requires a tremendous belief in him or a lack of confidence in who you already have

But i just don't get the point in staying idle. Is the thought process that a couple big name free agents will suddenly decide they want to play for the kings next summer when we've never in the history of the franchise gotten star free agents?

An all-nba center just took a 5-mil deal to play for a title contender and we think money is gonna convince stars to play for the kings next year?!

Obviously we don't have a first round pick next year and even if we did, it's a very weak draft. Might as well take a shot at a guy with star potential.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

They'll match. I just don't understand this stuff, I really don't. They have 2 tremendous SG options already and in order for it to work they need to play one at SF. They clearly haven't gotten passed the stumbling block of knowing how to build a team. Just sign a bunch of pieces and figure it out later is what has gotten them into this mess to start with.

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

They are better than LaVine who has been bad post injury.

Handcuffing cap to a player who may never be solid post injury requires a tremendous belief in him or a lack of confidence in who you already have

LaVine is younger (23) and more athletic than Buddy and Bogi. I like both Buddy and Bogi but LaVine has more upside and star potential than either. That being said there's room for all three. LaVine can also play PG and averaged nearly 19 points a game his last season in Minnesota at close to 39% on 3's. I like it and I'm assuming it's going to be close to $20 million per year. They'll have to force the Bulls hand. We signed Hill last year for $19, he was much older and didn't fit the youth arc of the roster. The free agent market will be much more competitive next year. We'll have lots of money to offer a big contract to Middleton or Harris but so will many other teams. Bad teams (which the Kings are) need talent and LaVine is talented. Looking forward to seeing the offer Friday.

[nolimit0820]

I love the idea of Lavine being the running mate with Fox and agree we need to take a shot at an elite talent like him.

I love the idea of adding him but would want to see it diminish the role of Mason, Jackson, Shumpert, Temple. Bogi and lavine are more than capable of backup pg duties and thrive as primary ballhandlers and buddy can and should still play 30 min ppg

Just shows the building around the talent of fox.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Are we really calling Bogi and Buddy "tremendous" options at shooting guard? They are 2 of the better players on our pretty bad team but i'm not ready to say we can't upgrade the position.

They are better than LaVine who has been bad post injury.

Handcuffing cap to a player who may never be solid post injury requires a tremendous belief in him or a lack of confidence in who you already have

But i just don't get the point in staying idle. Is the thought process that a couple big name free agents will suddenly decide they want to play for the kings next summer when we've never in the history of the franchise gotten star free agents?

An all-nba center just took a 5-mil deal to play for a title contender and we think money is gonna convince stars to play for the kings next year?!

Obviously we don't have a first round pick next year and even if we did, it's a very weak draft. Might as well take a shot at a guy with star potential.

We are in agreement. We need more talent. I'd also call up the Bucks and offer Temple, Skal, Jackson, and some 2nd's in sign and trade for Parker. I'll hear LaVine and Parker will get torched on defense. The Kings have sucked and been getting torched for 12 years. We aren't getting any difference makers signing here. We need to take fliers on talented young guys like LaVine and Parker and hope Fox, Bagley, and Giles are good for any chance to see a Kings playoff game at the G1C. I'm a season ticket holder and was at the game Monday and we have great fans. We deserve better!

[KF10]

I'm unsure about LaVine's long term potential. He is recovering from an ACL injury.

He has played 71 games out of a possible 164 games in the last 2 seasons.

Risky to throw major $$$ at him.

That being said, if the Kings do successfully nab Lavine, he's the starting 2 guard next to Fox. He played PG in his first year with Minny but he isn't one. He simply doesn't have the natural instincts to be one. That is why Minny moved away from that experiment -- rightfully so. For me, it looks like:

Fox
LaVine
SF
Bagley
Giles

The SF can be Bogi -- even though I don't think he can guard SF full time. For the time being, I could see Shump getting minutes there. Unless, the Kings stretch Z-Bo and make a run at Kyle Anderson. So, if they do that:

Fox
LaVine
Anderson
Bagley
Giles

You have real weapons in Bogi & Buddy coming from the bench. Plus guys like WCS & Mason to round things up. Skal is a wild card at this point.

I wouldn't be oppose if this was Vlade's move.