The Troy Brown Thread

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Imo Brown Jr’s talent level is being underrated here. This kid was a McDonalds All-American and ESPN 5-star recruit in HS. Much like Oubre , he had an inconsistent freshman year that dropped his stock but he still has NBA tools. He’s 6’7 with a solid 6’10 wingspan & not a super explosive athlete but a very smooth one, similar to say a Khris Middleton.

I'm sure he is extremely talented! He just got picked in the middle of R1 in an exceptionally deep draft! You don't have to have one negative thought about him, & you can still think there were higher value picks at #15.

For perspective, though, Brett Brown said that the guy Zhaire Smith reminds him of is Kawhi Leonard. (Brown was SA's player development guy who took charge of Leonard).

Note that although Brown is not as big as Middleton, & he is not as long as Middleton, he's not even 19. He could grow a foot. Or, come to think of it, he could grow an arm -- imagine his versatility if he had a 3d arm!

I’ve also only heard good things about Brown’s intelligence and IQ. Regardless of how some may have felt about other prospects, I think there’s a good chance of Brown becoming a quality player and outperforming some players drafted ahead of him.

That will be true of many guys this year. As it is every year. Only the #1 & #2 pick each year are locked out of being better than "some players drafted ahead of them."

Seriously, there is no reason to defend Troy Brown, & no need. He didn't pick himself! I hope he is fantastic -- better than Smith. Better than Doncic. Better than [insert name of your favorite player].

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Yeah, I don't get the hype with Divincenzo. Yeah, he was better as a junior than Brown was as a freshman, and things don't necessarily linearly over time, but just looking at Divincenzo, he's about equal to Brown defensively but going to translate worse in the NBA, he isn't a better passer despite the age difference, he's a worse rebounder, he gets to the line less; literally the only thing he's notably better at is shooting college 3s, but that isn't necessarily the big plus it gets made out to be because he's worse at shooting FTs, suggesting he might not always be the better shooter.

Some of the criticisms of Brown are legit, but really, similar stuff or worse can be said about everyone taken afterwards, too. ...improving on a jumper when their form is already okay-ish is one of the most commonly improved upon things for players in the NBA. If he does that, he's going to be a very good player. Heck, going by Divincenzo, Brown was a downright sniper as a freshman, as he shot way better than 14% from 3.

This time I'm in complete agreement. I can easily see why one would take Brown over DiVincenzo. & there is no way to compare a Freshman to a Junior.

Of course, guys taken much later in the draft -- or even undrafted -- may turn out better than Brown. Or better than DiVincenzo. Better than Ayton for that matter. That's irrelevant.

No, the only 2 guys you really need to compare him to are Zhaire Smith & Lonnie Walker. For example, no one else picked in the 2d half of R2 was projected as high as #15.

Except Williams: & until a few negatives surfaced on Robert Williams he would have been the 3d in that list, but no matter how he turns out, there is no problem justifying teams giving him a pass at #15.

Now, I would have either taken Smith or, if he wasn't there (& depending who he pushed down), traded down & gotten more assets, rolling the dice on who would be there when my new lower turn came (obviously, Brown might or might not have been there).

But, independent of Brown, I would certainly not have taken DiVicenzo at 15.

[dckingsfan]

Is it too early to project Brown as ROY?

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Is it too early to project Brown as ROY?

Probably too soon to be really certain about it.

Spoiler:

You do mean G League RoY, don't you?

[dckingsfan]

Is it too early to project Brown as ROY?

Probably too soon to be really certain about it.

Spoiler:

You do mean G League RoY, don't you?

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Actually... that would be great too. He definitely needs to play, & whatever level you play on if you succeed that's a good thing.

Would it be possible for him to play enough in the G League & enough in the NBA that he could win RoY in both leagues?

[Ruzious]

Is it too early to project Brown as ROY?

Probably too soon to be really certain about it.

Spoiler:

You do mean G League RoY, don't you?

Only a hater would not predict the most prestidigeous award for him - Summer League MVP!

[dckingsfan]

Actually... that would be great too. He definitely needs to play, & whatever level you play on if you succeed that's a good thing.

Would it be possible for him to play enough in the G League & enough in the NBA that he could win RoY in both leagues?

It has that double bottom line feel to it

[80sballboy]

Assuming there won't be any trades involving KO, Porter or Beal, Brown's only time this year might be in the Summer League.

[dangermouse]

Assuming there won't be any trades involving KO, Porter or Beal, Brown's only time this year might be in the Summer League.

I'm hoping (provided we can get someone like Noel or Len for cheap to be our C, and looking at the market I think we can) that Brown has a good showing in SL and looks good enough to the point where we can trade Oubre + filler for depth.

[dobrojim]

I like this pick honestly. Another wing, should allow us to play small ball more. Start Wall Beal Oubre Porter with Brown as a backup wing. Can never go wrong with picking guys that play hard and have high character.

I like his potential also because his jumpshot looks good even with the low%, and he's smart. only 18 for another month.

Been barely lurking of late. Nothing to really see here (by here, I mean the Wizards).

The bolded statement got my attention though. I think Jan Vesely played hard and had high character.
And even if you want to argue about that, that fact remains, actually doing things that help the team
is a lot more important than 'playing hard'. Another irresistible example, Matt Delavadova plays hard.
And he sucks.

[atlantabbq99]

Would the Wiz be interested in Kevin Love for Troy Brown, Morris, and contracts?

Love and Porter's 3pt shooting could probably help out Dwight and Wall.

[nate33]

Would the Wiz be interested in Kevin Love for Troy Brown, Morris, and contracts?

Love and Porter's 3pt shooting could probably help out Dwight and Wall.

No.

Love can't guard the 4 in today's game, so he has to play the 5. And that means he is fighting with Howard for minutes. I'd rather have the wing players. Not to mention that the contract situation would be untenable. We can't afford Wall, Beal, Porter and Love all at max salaries.

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I like this pick honestly. Another wing, should allow us to play small ball more. Start Wall Beal Oubre Porter with Brown as a backup wing. Can never go wrong with picking guys that play hard and have high character.

I like his potential also because his jumpshot looks good even with the low%, and he's smart. only 18 for another month.

Been barely lurking of late. Nothing to really see here (by here, I mean the Wizards).

The bolded statement got my attention though. I think Jan Vesely played hard and had high character.
And even if you want to argue about that, that fact remains, actually doing things that help the team
is a lot more important than 'playing hard'. Another irresistible example, Matt Delavadova plays hard.
And he sucks.

I disagree about Vesely. He didn't work hard to maximize his potential, and he didn't accept his obvious role until he went back to Europe.

Vesely thought he was a 3/4, a la Kirilenko. The Wizards wanted him to be a 4/5 -- which he is now. He never fully embraced that role until he went back home.

I think of high character guys as hard workers, but they also need to have the right mix of confidence. Too much confidence and they get cocky and uncoachable; too little confidence and they shy away from challenges -- and become uncoachable. Vesely was the latter.


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[dobrojim]

We can quibble about that (whether Ves 'played hard) if you insist

What I remember was mgmt ie EG justifying the pick by saying he played hard.

[80sballboy]

I like this pick honestly. Another wing, should allow us to play small ball more. Start Wall Beal Oubre Porter with Brown as a backup wing. Can never go wrong with picking guys that play hard and have high character.

I like his potential also because his jumpshot looks good even with the low%, and he's smart. only 18 for another month.

Been barely lurking of late. Nothing to really see here (by here, I mean the Wizards).

The bolded statement got my attention though. I think Jan Vesely played hard and had high character.
And even if you want to argue about that, that fact remains, actually doing things that help the team
is a lot more important than 'playing hard'. Another irresistible example, Matt Delavadova plays hard.
And he sucks.

So you are comparing Brown to Vesely, because he's 18 and struggled to shoot the 3 in one year in college. I'll agree that maybe the Wiz paid too much attention to his interview, intelligence and character over guys like Bob "I missed the plane/conference call" Williams. But he's also smart on the court. Good passer. Good vision. Pretty good defender. Never got the feeling that Vesely had any BB IQ. I'm going to give Brown a chance and not just base my opinion on his SL play. Though hoping he doesn't shoot 21% from 3pt. If he shoots around 30% from 3, that's a step up.

[dobrojim]

No. I am pointing out what was said to justify the picks by EG was similar.

If you have to start talking about how hard he plays, I think that could be a problem.
Playing hard should be a given for any player. Okay, you could argue I'm being unrealistic
that it actually is a given with far too many players.

I hope the kid works works out great. EG's track record doesn't help make me optimistic.
There's a reason he has a .43 winning percentage over a large sample size.

[80sballboy]

No. I am pointing out what was said to justify the picks by EG was similar.

If you have to start talking about how hard he plays, I think that could be a problem.
Playing hard should be a given for any player. Okay, you could argue I'm being unrealistic
that it actually is a given with far too many players.

I hope the kid works works out great. EG's track record doesn't help make me optimistic.
There's a reason he has a .43 winning percentage over a large sample size.

Well, his last six first-round picks have been before Troy Brown: Oubre, Porter, Beal, Vesely, Singleton, Wall. Not awful, not good in 2011 obviously. I can understand not being optimistic about his history but also to have an open mind about this kid. I don't know about playing hard. That should be a given but a lot of NBA players don't play hard in every game to save energy for an 82-game season. I think it's going to be cool for a wing who can handle it and pass, that's something that Oubre and Porter don't do well. Sato does if he plays the wing.

[I_Like_Dirt]

What I remember was mgmt ie EG justifying the pick by saying he played hard.

Well, yeah. And I remember people saying Chris Singleton had a reasonable bball IQ before he got drafted. Then Ernie drafted him.

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