Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M

[Dez]

Whereas, the alternative would only be this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/01/joakim-noah-is-a-walking-embodiment-of-the-nbas-purse-tightening/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8072a4e67f4c

Except for it being a completely different situation but yes use this to fuel your bias.

[fleet]

. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

These kinds statements are never backed up with data. Nobody has tracked the accuracy of these type comments. Probably not very accurate.

[dice]

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

The Sacramento Kings could be in the market for restricted free-agent Zach LaVine.

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings are "pretty serious" about making an offer for the veteran shooting guard.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html?%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.bleacherreport.com%2Famp%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html&_branch_match_id=4112264524090391454

nobody becomes a star in sacramento. let them be disappointed yet again by a big dollar signing

[ReturnofJPR]

Anything $18 mil per and under is a good deal for Lavine. GarPax play more games than a teenage girl. I wish they would just lock up Lavine already. What's the rush? Only the Bulls and Hawks have real money to spend but quit playing games with a young player who should be part of the future in this organization.

[3noD]

Bulls will match Zach at 20 mil per

Horrible.

Excellent. You will all be praising Zach this time next season.

I guess he’s worth taking a chance on. The kid does have star quality, and he is a hard worker. I heard he’s focusing quite a bit on defense this summer, so that’s a good sign. Last year, he showed that physically, he was back. He struggled more finding a flow in the offense, but hopefully that comes with time.


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[RedBulls23]

We heard the Kings were interested, but they haven't made an offer yet. Maybe they were interested, but decided not to make him an offer. If they are still interested, what are they waiting for?

IF the Kings make an offer the soonest it will be is Friday when the moratorium is over. Teams like the Bulls would then have 48 hours to match.

Yes, I know when moratorium is and how long the Bulls have to match.

They didn't have to wait till the moratorium is over to make an offer.

[ReturnofJPR]

Zach would blow in the 80s or 90s but since the NBA only cares about entertaining the casual fan with nothing but offense, Zach is perfect for 2019. Lock him up to a 4 year deal at the minimum.

[3noD]

I don't know if it would be considered 'collusion' officially. Maybe a capologist or CBA expert can speak to that more specifically, but, it feels like no one wants to be the guy who made a pass at the other guy's wife.

I mean, it seems in the supreme interest of the Bulls to put an offer in on Clint Capela. Being that they are in another conference, it would have no blowback on us.

On the other hand, it feels like no one wants to be 'that guy' who started a bidding war where good players were had, but, at prices that could have been avoided if all of the GM's collectively just stood still.

That’s an interesting point. Implicit collusion not to start a price war. Don’t come at my guy and I won’t come at yours, wink wink. It would make sense from an ownership perspective. Especially if the team that has the restricted FA has sent signals they want to resign the guy.


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[3noD]

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

The Sacramento Kings could be in the market for restricted free-agent Zach LaVine.

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings are "pretty serious" about making an offer for the veteran shooting guard.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html?%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.bleacherreport.com%2Famp%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html&_branch_match_id=4112264524090391454

If it’s 17 mill per, that’s easy to match


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[fleet]

The main scenarios for LaVine's next season:

A. He improves, but is still not contributing to winning basketball. In this scenario he is not worth keeping long term.

B. He improves, and is no longer net negative. Worth keeping, but on a tradeable contract.

C. He improves significantly, and contributes to winning basketball. Obviously worth a major contract.

The problem is, we don't know which scenario will play out, or even how likely the scenarios are. This makes a prove it -contract appealing, if he can't be persuaded to a - from the team perspective - cautious longer term contract.

Comparing LaVine's situation to Felicio's limps. Felicio got paid on potential only. LaVine has NBA-years, and while his trajectory was upwards, the angle was not steep. Will he break out? No one knows.

What worries me is that LaVine's issue looks to be bbiq, and I'm not sure how much can be done about that. He may have had a green light to go for it and shoot away, but that isn't a green light to ignore teammates in a better position to score or to take heavily contested shots early on the shot clock.

So I worry. I worry that he gets paid as a player he would be if... "If" is just two letters, but makes a huge difference in the real world.

His actual contract number is not that significant other than how it affects the cap. If he continues as a low-impact player, he shouldnt be on this team at any number at all. If he makes his potential that some feel he has, he would have outperformed his contract (< 70 million for 4 years). The key is, he is a huge question mark. How to balance that deal against a new max player contract for another guy is the focus I care about. His exact number is probably not that important. I can't even call it. Tell me where to limit his deal so that we can add #1 talent. That amount cannot be exceeded.

[RedBulls23]

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

The Sacramento Kings could be in the market for restricted free-agent Zach LaVine.

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings are "pretty serious" about making an offer for the veteran shooting guard.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html?%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.bleacherreport.com%2Famp%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html&_branch_match_id=4112264524090391454

If it’s 17 mill per, that’s easy to match


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They can probably offer 4 years 80 million, which starts out at 17 mill. If that's the offer, I'd consider letting him walk.

[Onibuh]

If he can collect some empty stats and get them up, there will be no Problem moving him in the future with a 18 Million Price tag.

[kulaz3000]

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.

The Sacramento Kings could be in the market for restricted free-agent Zach LaVine.

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings are "pretty serious" about making an offer for the veteran shooting guard.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html?%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet&%24fallback_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.bleacherreport.com%2Famp%2F2784555-zach-lavine-rumors-kings-hoping-to-sign-restricted-free-agent-sg-to-offer-sheet.amp.html&_branch_match_id=4112264524090391454

If it’s 17 mill per, that’s easy to match


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If Zach is adamant about wanting that additional 10 million or so over the course of 4 years, then good luck in Sacramento, where he will likely be forgotten and lost.

That said, they'd be fun to watch, lots of athletic ability up and down their roster if they acquire Zach.

[fleet]

So, how would a 20 million dollar deal for Lavine affect our ability to add a super max guy?

(Not that it would ever happen, just play along )

[WindyCityBorn]

So, how would a 20 million dollar deal for Lavine affect our ability to add a super max guy?

(Not that it would ever happen, just play along )

No.

[WindyCityBorn]

It's about to get serious, people. Forget about the 2019 plan. Those of you who are saying the Bulls should let LaVine walk if he wants more than 16mil a season will be the first to kill the organization for letting him walk and watch him become a star with Sacremento.



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If it’s 17 mill per, that’s easy to match


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If Zach is adamant about wanting that additional 10 million or so over the course of 4 years, then good luck in Sacramento, where he will likely be forgotten and lost.

That said, they'd be fun to watch, lots of athletic ability up and down their roster if they acquire Zach.

Something is wrong if 10 million over 4 years is enough to let him walk. That's a pittance. Either you believe him or you don't. **** or get off the pot. Would be typical Bulls to dick around like that though. Like that extra 2.5 million is gonna cost us Kawahi or something.

[Dez]

People are really understating what being in a poor position in Minnesota for his first few seasons could've affected him. Nobody is developing there, Wiggins isn't improving and while KAT is good I wouldn't say he's developing.

There is a point where Lavine is too expensive but this board is dismissing him based on his first few seasons in a terrible situation.

[kulaz3000]

If it’s 17 mill per, that’s easy to match


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If Zach is adamant about wanting that additional 10 million or so over the course of 4 years, then good luck in Sacramento, where he will likely be forgotten and lost.

That said, they'd be fun to watch, lots of athletic ability up and down their roster if they acquire Zach.

Something is wrong if 10 million over 4 years is enough to let him walk. That's a pittance.

For the team, the extra 3 million or so in cap space could be the difference in a decent player and a really good player.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

We heard the Kings were interested, but they haven't made an offer yet. Maybe they were interested, but decided not to make him an offer. If they are still interested, what are they waiting for?

IF the Kings make an offer the soonest it will be is Friday when the moratorium is over. Teams like the Bulls would then have 48 hours to match.

Yes, I know when moratorium is and how long the Bulls have to match.

They didn't have to wait till the moratorium is over to make an offer.

My point is that there is no advantage to the Kings already having made an offer. A Kings offer prior to the moratorium is to the Bulls advantage. That's why there haven't been any offers to any RFA's and won't be until the soonest Friday.

[WindyCityBorn]

If Zach is adamant about wanting that additional 10 million or so over the course of 4 years, then good luck in Sacramento, where he will likely be forgotten and lost.

That said, they'd be fun to watch, lots of athletic ability up and down their roster if they acquire Zach.

Something is wrong if 10 million over 4 years is enough to let him walk. That's a pittance.

For the team, the extra 3 million or so in cap space could be the difference in a decent player and a really good player.

If you believe in the guy you believe in him. If you won't pay him $80 then you shouldn't pay him $70. What determines this arbitrary line? The people that say that they don't want him at all make a more compelling case than saying you let him walk for an extra $8 to $10 million.