Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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Reggie Jackson forced his way off of a Westbrook/Durant OKC team because he wanted to lead his own team rather than just being a cog in it. IIRC he turned down $12M a season offer from them, was traded to Detroit and signed for $16M per season.

Fans need to make up their mind, I mean I know it's different subsets, but fans want to kill this kid for going for the money rather than taking less to stay on a good team, but then bury guys who take less to sign with Golden State.

I think it depends on whether they are staying with their original team or jumping for a ring (or in any capacity choosing to play for the C's), but yeah somewhat incongruent.

[jmr07019]

Bradley - 2/25
Exum - 3/33
Evans - 1/12
Caldwell Pope - 1/12

No way Smart gets more than 13/year. I think he's back on QO and tries again next year.

Problem with this is that it turns ugly because it essentially forces the player who believes they're worth more with the team he believes is lowballing him and not valuing him. From the other side the team has a malcontent who thinks they're better than they are and worth more who took millions less to be able to leave you in a year who you gotta play even though they'll be in business for themselves to pad their stats and get that big contract in UFA.

It's not a problem though. He's a bench guard and if he signed a big deal and we didn't match we would still easily be the best team in the conference and walk into the finals. Smart isn't worth more if he was he would have been signed to a larger deal already. The only problem is Smart and/or his agent don't have a realistic grasp on the market. That's Marcus's problem though not the Celtics.

[2Mas]

So who had cash left to sign him? Are we at the point where it’s either he works out a deal with boston or he takes the qo?

Pretty much. Atlanta and Sac.

Chicago too right?

[ConstableGeneva]

So who had cash left to sign him? Are we at the point where it’s either he works out a deal with boston or he takes the qo?

Pretty much. Atlanta and Sac.

Chicago too right?

Atlanta would rather absorb bad salary for picks than grab Smart.
One of Chicago (likely) or Sacramento will sign LaVine.

I see Kings as the only threat to put forth an offer. Not sure how real their interest is in Smart.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I haven't looked at it in depth, but I think a lot of these players rolling over their free agency to next year are going to be disappointed. '16 was a combination of lots of cap space AND not a lot of free agents. Lots of cap space was competing for a few players. I think next year there will be a lot of cap space, but also a lot of players. It will be a better market for FAs than this summer, sure, but it won't be '16 all over again.

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Pretty much. Atlanta and Sac.

Chicago too right?

Atlanta would rather absorb bad salary for picks than grab Smart.
One of Chicago (likely) or Sacramento will sign LaVine.

I see Kings as the only threat to put forth an offer. Not sure how real their interest is in Smart.

I think there's a difference between Chicago and Sacro in that even if Chicago gets Lavine's salary hold off the books they are still already over the cap. So it would be worse for Smart if Sacro bags him, since the Bulls still wouldn't have cap room for him and Sacro would be dishing theirs out to another player.

[Finnisher]

It's a tricky situation. Boston needs to sign Smart most importantly to have one bigger contract to go for a big trade. Smart's camp knows this, so there's no reason to sign for less because he gets to play in a good team.

If he takes his QO, he's a disgruntled rental and can't be traded without his consent cause he'd lose his bird rights. But you don't want to offer him too much to lower his trade value. No more than 12 a year I think.

[K For Three]

The more his re-signing drags out, the more I think he's gonna get traded to San Antonio.

I like how you think.

This offseason has hit a stand still.

[Celts17Pride]

The more his re-signing drags out, the more I think he's gonna get traded to San Antonio.

Been saying this for weeks

[LarryBirdsFingr]

The more his re-signing drags out, the more I think he's gonna get traded to San Antonio.

Been saying this for weeks

Maybe I should have asked pop if he thinks Murray and smart can coexist as a back court? Yeah, no probably not a good question.

[Drax]

It's a tricky situation. Boston needs to sign Smart most importantly to have one bigger contract to go for a big trade. Smart's camp knows this, so there's no reason to sign for less because he gets to play in a good team.

If he takes his QO, he's a disgruntled rental and can't be traded without his consent cause he'd lose his bird rights. But you don't want to offer him too much to lower his trade value. No more than 12 a year I think.

So what? If Smart thinks he can sulk, moan and complain he is in for a supprise. He has to fight for his playing time with Hayward coming back and Rozier fighting for his rookie extension. Too much competition for Smart to be disgruntled. Also if he want his big deal he needs playing time and show his worth. I doubt that a pouting Smart with less playing time will get huge offers next summer. He and his agent are aware of this aswell.

With that said i want Smart back on this team preferably on a deal slightly over the MLE ($9 mil) and with as many years as possible, i love this dude.

[Sibelius]

The name of this thread is hilarious in light of the complete lack of interest from other teams, it's another crashed brinks truck moment.

I think we sign him for around 10m, and I hope this reality check means he accepts his role and stops taking so many shots.

[cloverleaf]

The name of this thread is hilarious in light of the complete lack of interest from other teams, it's another crashed brinks truck moment.

I think we sign him for around 10m, and I hope this reality check means he accepts his role and stops taking so many shots.

Even $10M IMO is an incentive for him to take more shots.

I really hope Pop has a great appreciation for Marcus.

[djFan71]

It's a tricky situation. Boston needs to sign Smart most importantly to have one bigger contract to go for a big trade. Smart's camp knows this, so there's no reason to sign for less because he gets to play in a good team.

If he takes his QO, he's a disgruntled rental and can't be traded without his consent cause he'd lose his bird rights. But you don't want to offer him too much to lower his trade value. No more than 12 a year I think.

So what? If Smart thinks he can sulk, moan and complain he is in for a supprise. He has to fight for his playing time with Hayward coming back and Rozier fighting for his rookie extension. Too much competition for Smart to be disgruntled. Also if he want his big deal he needs playing time and show his worth. I doubt that a pouting Smart with less playing time will get huge offers next summer. He and his agent are aware of this aswell.

With that said i want Smart back on this team preferably on a deal slightly over the MLE ($9 mil) and with as many years as possible, i love this dude.

It's the part right after what you bolded that's the real issue - the trade bit. That's why I think he gets something like a 3 year at more than the QO with player option on the last year. At something that sneaks us right under the tax. $8.6M or so now, I believe, but other moves could raise that. He gets a good deal more than the QO, 2 years of pay, and can opt in/out after that depending on market, circumstances, etc. The team gets him back at a good price, avoids the tax, and can still use him in trades if need be. Have him signed next season as well to see how the Kyrie/Rozier contracts go, etc. Everyone gets some flexibility, nobody gets exactly what they want. Seems fair. No need to rush it since Danny can see what other moves are out there, then get him after everything is settled.

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The more his re-signing drags out, the more I think he's gonna get traded to San Antonio.

Been saying this for weeks

Maybe I should have asked pop if he thinks Murray and smart can coexist as a back court? Yeah, no probably not a good question.

[darrendaye]

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[Jammer]

Of course he's not heard, he has to bring his best offer to them.

And if they are going into the luxury tax, they would be better served to bring in Kahwi than Smart.

Perfect outcome for Celtics would be if Smart signs the QO for 1 year at 6 Million, or they can up it to 1 year for 7.8 Million, which would still let them add a minimum salary player later if they need to.

In addition, the lack of a call would support the thought that Hayward and Irving will be able to play from Game 1. I would not have thought that possible for Hayward. I would have given him until the All-Star break. But that's why Morris is still here. If you look at all the alternatives to giving Smart playing time, knowing Irving will be playing his heart out in a contract year, there just are no minutes for Smart unless someone gets hurt.

PG: Irving 32 / Rozier 16 / Wanamaker (ready and willing)

SG: Jalen Brown 32 / Rozier 16 / Wanamaker (ready and willing)

SF: Hayward 20 / Tatum 28 / Nader (final year with team)

PF: Jayson Tatum 6 / Al Horford 10 / Marcus Morris 24 / Daniel Theis 8 / Semi Ojeleye (blow outs) / Yabusele (final year with team)

Al Horford 20 / Aron Baynes 20 / Daniel Theis 8

It's blatantly obvious that Smart has no place on the team if Hayward can play 20 minutes and Irving 32. Smart is done, except as insurance. He'd get a one year deal, if he's lucky for the 6,050,000 Qualifying Offer or perhaps as much as 7.8 million. Forget about him.

Next June, the Celtics could have a 7 to 10 pick from Sacramento that should yield a very good guard, and if Memphis cracks the Top 8, a pick in the 9-10 range from Memphis. The Celtics could end up adding TWO very good guards in June thru the draft.

[Celts17Pride]

Smart hasn’t heard from the Celtics because Ainge is working on a sign and trade with SA to present to the Smart team and move him.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ainge declining comment means he's on the trade block.

Smart could veto the trade though.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

This means no one has offered Smart a deal at his asking number. He wants the Celtics to just bid against themselves like dumbasses. Why would they offer 10 million per year if the next team hasn’t even offered 7 million. He can’t shoot so no one wants him cause he isn’t starter material. N btw, the jazz are stupid for giving Exum that contract. They bid against themselves.