Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Reportedly, the Lakers are wanting to build around LBJ with tough players. LBJ sees the evolving of Kobe and Magic's game such that they became more post players later in their career, and he believes his game needs to evolve and that can bring more of a power game to the post. Given LBJ's size, power, and skill set, there's no doubt about that. That said, the Lakers want to build a team of facilitators who can also play perimeter defense. I cant think of a better role for Wall! Wall would excel in that role, as he is a good 1 v 1 defender on the perimeter, and he is a great facilitator. With the Spurs asking for the sky (Kuzma + Ingram + two #1's + swap of picks + more) in a trade for Leonard, and the Lakers more than content to wait it out (sign him next year, if they cant trade), I think Wall is the best target for the Lakers. Looking at the Wizards, there is no way that the team is going to be achieving greater goals than last years team. That means an early exit in the playoffs, at best. I dont think this is going to be looked at a successful season by Wall. He will want to be traded, because his chances to win an NBA championship are lessening as the years go. This is probably the best time for the Wizards to trade Wall, and get something good in return. I think Wall can be traded after Jul 26th (correct me if I am wrong), and that gives the Lakers some time to explore the options before they make a push for him. I can still see Wall + Morris + #1 for Ingram + Kuzma + Deng. Works in the trade checker, FWIW. Wizards could get younger and solidify the backup PF/SF position, and get a starting PG in return. The Wizards can work on drafting a C next year. Retool, and restart...

If the Lakers' ultimate goal is to acquire Kawhi, then they can't trade for Wall first. The problem is, Wall's ballooning contract will make it impossible for them to sign Kawhi next offseason, which destroys their negotiating leverage when trying to lowball the Spurs right now.

This is why I proposed a 3-way trade with Wall and Kawhi going to the Lakers at the same time. But as long as San Antonio intends to hold out and gamble that they can rebuild their relationship with Kawhi, any John Wall deals are off the table.

Oh, and we're not getting Ingram, Kuzma and a #1 for Wall. Not when Wall is about to be paid $42M a year. I think we'll get Lonzo and Deng, and that's it. (We'll also include Jason Smith as filler.)

LaMarcus Aldridge along with Ball and a first-round pick... Ingram and other things going to the Spurs.

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Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

I would love this. Holmes just plays with ridiculous energy and would be someone the team needs. He was a big part of the sixers' success when Embiid went out at the end of the regular season. Incredibly fluid athlete.

Sign me up too. But... they aren't doing that. Plus, annoyingly for this scenario, Holmes is expiring. The Colangelos picked up his option but didn't sign him to a new contract.

Ditto McConnell, btw.

Hinkie = smart
Colangelo = dumb

The Colangelos are now gone. Brett Brown is running things until they hire a new GM. I imagine there'll be a way to sign those 2 guys to extensions.

Anyway, I don't think that package of Meeks & pick would work for them.

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Jordan Mickey -- drafted 4 spots before Holmes in 2015 -- was waived by Miami this week. I like him & Holmes about the same in the run up to that draft. Consolation prize?

But, he hasn't played nearly as well as Holmes in the NBA -- or nearly as much. I thought he was pretty talented.

Both guys kind of reminded me of Khem Birch who went undrafted in 2014 & was with us in Summer League in, I think, 2015. He's now an outstanding young big for the Heat.

Christian Wood would be the real consolation prize. First prize, actually: Per 40 minutes in the G league last year, he scored 28 points & pulled down 12.5 boards. His TS% was 63.7%. & he's still only 22.

I just don't understand why this kid isn't in the NBA -- preferably on the Wizards.

[dangermouse]

So Holmes is an RFA right now? Damn, sucks we have basically blown our wad. Expiring Filler + 2nd for him would have been a great trade for a guy they barely use, that could play behind Dwight eventually.

[queridiculo]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

In what universe would the Sixers ever consider such a ridiculous offer?

[queridiculo]

I'm still afraid Grunfeld is going to do something stupid like, trade Porter for Love.

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Even if kwahi resigns his max would put us in real salary cap hell

We’re gonna be in salary cap hell regardless. This move would simply be swapping Otto + Oubre’s future salary for Leonard’s future salary, which is a no brainer.

If Kawhi would re-sign then obviously you put Beal on the table, or Porter/Oubre/picks if they’d take that.

It's not a no-brainer at all. In fact, it's not possible.

Dealing w/ Porter & Oubre's two salaries poses problems, sure -- but there are two of them. You can divide the problem.

But the big issue is that what it would take to trade for Kawhi Leonard would be more than enough to insure that he would not re-sign. You couldn't put together a roster that would contend.

This whole Kawhi Leonard idea is ridiculous -- it's magical thinking. There is going to be no miraculous way to rescue this mess Ernie has put together with such blind & egotistical confidence.

We're not going to catch Boston or Philly; we're not going to come close. In fact, either of those two teams actually could acquire Kawhi Leonard. They have what would be required, & we don't.

Especially Boston, which has excellent young players & a high pick in next year's draft. It would be no surprise if Leonard wound up in Boston. Hayward, Yabuschele, Theis (or maybe Robert Williams?), & next year's Sac'to pick.... Something like that. Whereupon Boston dominates the East for a few years. In fact, I wonder whether SA could get Tatum out of them? Probably not....

Philly could do it too. But, after the Colangelos' lousy work it would be harder for them.

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So Holmes is an RFA right now? Damn, sucks we have basically blown our wad. Expiring Filler + 2nd for him would have been a great trade for a guy they barely use, that could play behind Dwight eventually.

He could play behind Dwight right now! But you missed my point. They like Holmes; they didn't play him all that much b/c they didn't need to.

That doesn't mean they would want to dump him for nothing -- why? He & McConnell will almost certainly be re-signed. They are huge bargains, but all the same they are unlikely to attract big FA offers.

Nor do the Sixers have any kind of roster problem where they need to move players. They are at 12 guys plus their 4 rookies, 1 of whom (Bonga) probably stays in Europe. Smith & Shamet will certainly be with the team; Shake Milton might be on their G League team or be a 2-way.

[Illmatic12]

Even if kwahi resigns his max would put us in real salary cap hell

We’re gonna be in salary cap hell regardless. This move would simply be swapping Otto + Oubre’s future salary for Leonard’s future salary, which is a no brainer.

If Kawhi would re-sign then obviously you put Beal on the table, or Porter/Oubre/picks if they’d take that.

It's not a no-brainer at all. In fact, it's not possible.

Dealing w/ Porter & Oubre's two salaries poses problems, sure -- but there are two of them. You can divide the problem.

But the big issue is that what it would take to trade for Kawhi Leonard would be more than enough to insure that he would not re-sign. You couldn't put together a roster that would contend.

This whole Kawhi Leonard idea is ridiculous -- it's magical thinking. There is going to be no miraculous way to rescue this mess Ernie has put together with such blind & egotistical confidence.

We're not going to catch Boston or Philly; we're not going to come close. In fact, either of those two teams actually could acquire Kawhi Leonard. They have what would be required, & we don't.

Especially Boston, which has excellent young players & a high pick in next year's draft. It would be no surprise if Leonard wound up in Boston. Hayward, Yabuschele, Theis (or maybe Robert Williams?), & next year's Sac'to pick.... Something like that. Whereupon Boston dominates the East for a few years. In fact, I wonder whether SA could get Tatum out of them? Probably not....

Philly could do it too. But, after the Colangelos' lousy work it would be harder for them.

Of course it's magical thinking - because Leonard wants to go to LA. That's why teams aren't even really bidding for him. Even Philly isn't putting their best assets on the table, because there's a strong likelihood that Kawhi will walk.

But if you could add Kawhi while keeping Wall & Beal, then yes of course you do it and yes that team could contend in the East. Salary should not be a limiting factor . Why? Because that's a team you pay luxury taxes for..

Look at OKC (who most would agree has a better front office than ours) racking up a record $300 million bill for next season alone! And that's for a Westbrook/George/Adams trio that might not even pass the first round in the West. In the NBA, teams will pay for talent and Ted would pay the bill for that team.

[dckingsfan]

We’re gonna be in salary cap hell regardless. This move would simply be swapping Otto + Oubre’s future salary for Leonard’s future salary, which is a no brainer.

If Kawhi would re-sign then obviously you put Beal on the table, or Porter/Oubre/picks if they’d take that.

It's not a no-brainer at all. In fact, it's not possible.

Dealing w/ Porter & Oubre's two salaries poses problems, sure -- but there are two of them. You can divide the problem.

But the big issue is that what it would take to trade for Kawhi Leonard would be more than enough to insure that he would not re-sign. You couldn't put together a roster that would contend.

This whole Kawhi Leonard idea is ridiculous -- it's magical thinking. There is going to be no miraculous way to rescue this mess Ernie has put together with such blind & egotistical confidence.

We're not going to catch Boston or Philly; we're not going to come close. In fact, either of those two teams actually could acquire Kawhi Leonard. They have what would be required, & we don't.

Especially Boston, which has excellent young players & a high pick in next year's draft. It would be no surprise if Leonard wound up in Boston. Hayward, Yabuschele, Theis (or maybe Robert Williams?), & next year's Sac'to pick.... Something like that. Whereupon Boston dominates the East for a few years. In fact, I wonder whether SA could get Tatum out of them? Probably not....

Philly could do it too. But, after the Colangelos' lousy work it would be harder for them.

Of course it's magical thinking - because Leonard wants to go to LA. That's why teams aren't even really bidding for him. Even Philly isn't putting their best assets on the table, because there's a strong likelihood that Kawhi will walk.

But if you could add Kawhi while keeping Wall & Beal, then yes of course you do it and yes that team could contend in the East. Salary should not be a limiting factor . Why? Because that's a team you pay luxury taxes for..

Look at OKC (who most would agree has a better front office than ours) racking up a record $300 million bill for next season alone! And that's for a Westbrook/George/Adams trio that might not even pass the first round in the West. In the NBA, teams will pay for talent and Ted would pay the bill for that team.

Eh, it would need to be Wall out Kawhi in... Beal, Kawhi, Porter in the middle and find yourself a replacement PG. Maybe a sign and trade for Parker. And OKC FO racking up a 300M bill makes them a worse FO than ours. The Carmelo trade was terrible.

[NatP4]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

In what universe would the Sixers ever consider such a ridiculous offer?

They are considering waiving him.

[Error Afflalo]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Why would we do that though? That’s a ridiculous package for a 1 year rental.

Because that's the only way we can take the step to contention. If we're looking to really compete, staying the course is not an option. We can get major improvement from Otto, Oubre, and Sato and we'd still be 3rd at best and hoping for Boston injuries to have a shot at the Finals. We have to be bold. And no, trading Wall is not a realistic option at the moment.

We heard Kawhi only wants to play for the Lakers. Then Kawhi is willing to re-sign with Philly. Now Kawhi prefers the Clippers because he doesn't want to be in Lebron's shadow. No one knows what's actually true, so just get him in here and see what's up. It's not like we have nothing going for us. Wall and Beal are all-stars. Howard, for all his faults, is still a high level rim protector and defender. We have decent depth for the first time in a while. Getting Kawhi could make it a very special year (by Wiz standards anyway).

Another thing to consider: D.C. is unique in that it offers all the advantages of a major city without huge expectations or a vicious, prying media. That's not the case in places like LA, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philly, etc. Who knows, maybe that's appealing to a quiet guy like Kawhi.

[Rafael122]

The Sacramento Kings have explored the free agency market but are determined to avoid signing any multiyear contracts that would impact next year's cap.


The Kings will instead focus on the trade market and pursue absorbing contracts in exchange for a first round pick in 2019 or a veteran small forward.


The Kings pursued free agent Mario Hezonja to fill their need for a small forward but he signed with the New York Knicks.


The Kings had some level of interest in Jabari Parker, but they view him as a power forward instead of a small forward.

Via Jason Jones/Sacramento Bee

Interesting, kinda what we suspected here.

[Dat2U]

After reading what Kawhi's people put the Spurs through I wouldn't give up assets for him. No bet he'd ever suit up for us. If he wouldn't play for the Spurs, why would he play for us?

I'm all for taking risks but I dont see much upside of a guy who has no interest playing anywhere other than LA.

[NatP4]

The Sacramento Kings have explored the free agency market but are determined to avoid signing any multiyear contracts that would impact next year's cap.


The Kings will instead focus on the trade market and pursue absorbing contracts in exchange for a first round pick in 2019 or a veteran small forward.


The Kings pursued free agent Mario Hezonja to fill their need for a small forward but he signed with the New York Knicks.


The Kings had some level of interest in Jabari Parker, but they view him as a power forward instead of a small forward.

Via Jason Jones/Sacramento Bee

Interesting, kinda what we suspected here.

Sounds like they would have interest in Oubre+Mahinmi type deal

[pcbothwel]

The Sacramento Kings have explored the free agency market but are determined to avoid signing any multiyear contracts that would impact next year's cap.


The Kings will instead focus on the trade market and pursue absorbing contracts in exchange for a first round pick in 2019 or a veteran small forward.


The Kings pursued free agent Mario Hezonja to fill their need for a small forward but he signed with the New York Knicks.


The Kings had some level of interest in Jabari Parker, but they view him as a power forward instead of a small forward.

Via Jason Jones/Sacramento Bee

Interesting, kinda what we suspected here.

Sounds like they would have interest in Oubre+Mahinmi type deal

Yeah, only issue is they sound like they are really only looking for expirings in order to maintain two max spots next year (Though I doubt anybody worth a damn goes there with LAL and LAC have 3 max spots between the two of them)

[gtn130]

After reading what Kawhi's people put the Spurs through I wouldn't give up assets for him. No bet he'd ever suit up for us. If he wouldn't play for the Spurs, why would he play for us?

This is something I hear pretty often and I don't agree with.

He didn't have to suit up for the Spurs because they were trying to keep him happy and play nice. He was the long-term centerpiece of the franchise, so if he says he can't go despite being medically cleared by the Spurs then they're going to allow that because one season really doesn't mean much for them if it could compromise their relationship with Kawhi.

If he's traded to Philly or Boston and doesn't want to actually suit up and play, he needs to substantiate this injury he has or there will be serious contractual issues. Teams can apply far more pressure to him in that situation than the Spurs were willing to last season.

[Error Afflalo]

After reading what Kawhi's people put the Spurs through I wouldn't give up assets for him. No bet he'd ever suit up for us. If he wouldn't play for the Spurs, why would he play for us?

I'm all for taking risks but I dont see much upside of a guy who has no interest playing anywhere other than LA.

Because we didn't misdiagnose his injury, and because sitting out in protest and losing a second year of his prime is incredibly stupid.

[Dark Faze]

The Sacramento Kings have explored the free agency market but are determined to avoid signing any multiyear contracts that would impact next year's cap.


The Kings will instead focus on the trade market and pursue absorbing contracts in exchange for a first round pick in 2019 or a veteran small forward.


The Kings pursued free agent Mario Hezonja to fill their need for a small forward but he signed with the New York Knicks.


The Kings had some level of interest in Jabari Parker, but they view him as a power forward instead of a small forward.

Via Jason Jones/Sacramento Bee

Interesting, kinda what we suspected here.

Sounds like they would have interest in Oubre+Mahinmi type deal

Temple for Oubre and Mahinmi without giving up our first could be a huge win. Would be ideal to see how Oubre is coming along before the deadline before pulling the trigger. I think it's a deal the Kings would do even if Oubre looks like he's barely improved to that point. If he hasn't, we can feel a lot better about letting him walk. Of course, if he looks great, we start exploring ways to free up space to extend him.

[Dat2U]

After reading what Kawhi's people put the Spurs through I wouldn't give up assets for him. No bet he'd ever suit up for us. If he wouldn't play for the Spurs, why would he play for us?

This is something I hear pretty often and I don't agree with.

He didn't have to suit up for the Spurs because they were trying to keep him happy and play nice. He was the long-term centerpiece of the franchise, so if he says he can't go despite being medically cleared by the Spurs then they're going to allow that because one season really doesn't mean much for them if it could compromise their relationship with Kawhi.

If he's traded to Philly or Boston and doesn't want to actually suit up and play, he needs to substantiate this injury he has or there will be serious contractual issues. Teams can apply far more pressure to him in that situation than the Spurs were willing to last season.

He'd still be a free agent at the end of the season, we or any non-LA team would be in the same position as the Spurs are in now... tiptoeing around to try to convince him to stay. Play hard ball and you'd devalue his trade value further and ensure he'd leave.