Portland's Off-Season Has Officially Arrived

Norm2953 · Post #541 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 4:40 pm

It would all depend on cost and Cleveland would require young assets and expiring contracts
which is a tough match on Portland's end.

ILOVEIT · Post #542 » by **ILOVEIT** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 6:37 pm

Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago....Monta and Curry....and it just didn't work. What happened? Monta was traded. Warrior fans hated it and booed the owner.

Whether it's CJ or Damian....one of those guys has to go. Makes sense to trade for a big point guard to run along side CJ and get back some talent and flexibility.

Lonzo, Kusuma, Deng for Damian Lillard.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7091708

RTG HD · Post #543 » by **RTG HD** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 6:46 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago....Monta and Curry....and it just didn't work. What happened? Monta was traded. Warrior fans hated it and booed the owner.

Whether it's CJ or Damian....one of those guys has to go. Makes sense to trade for a big point guard to run along side CJ and get back some talent and flexibility.

Lonzo, Kusuma, Deng for Damian Lillard.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7091708

Norm2953 · Post #544 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 6:50 pm

The current NBA is not the same league it was 5 years ago. In this age where players have so much power
to dictate trades, Portland trading for Lonzo is a recipe for disaster.

Soulyss · Post #545 » by **Soulyss** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:03 pm

RTG HD wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago....Monta and Curry....and it just didn't work. What happened? Monta was traded. Warrior fans hated it and booed the owner.

Whether it's CJ or Damian....one of those guys has to go. Makes sense to trade for a big point guard to run along side CJ and get back some talent and flexibility.

Lonzo, Kusuma, Deng for Damian Lillard.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7091708

I asked him to never. post. again. Hopefully we will all be blessed with an extended silence.

Wizenheimer · Post #546 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 7:19 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago....Monta and Curry....and it just didn't work. What happened? Monta was traded. Warrior fans hated it and booed the owner.

Whether it's CJ or Damian....one of those guys has to go. Makes sense to trade for a big point guard to run along side CJ and get back some talent and flexibility.

Lonzo, Kusuma, Deng for Damian Lillard.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7091708

you got confused, what you meant was:

Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and three Laker 1st's for Dame, with Lonzo going to a 3rd team for another guaranteed high 1st round pick and 3 or 4 second round picks and those going to Portland too

JasonStern · Post #547 » by **JasonStern** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:31 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago.

I know you just mean the ill fitting back court, but no we aren't. even if you view Dame as good as Curry, which is a stretch but might be justifiable considering Dame's supporting cast, the Blazers are capped out with questionable management. and Dame and CJ are older, making less sense to try to build a team around them a few years from now. honestly, Portland reminds me of the Joe Johnson era Hawks, just in the western conference instead of the east.

Wizenheimer · Post #548 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Jul 6, 2018 8:39 pm

JasonStern wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Portland is at the same spot Warriors were 5 years ago.

I know you just mean the ill fitting back court, but no we aren't. even if you view Dame as good as Curry, which is a stretch but might be justifiable considering Dame's supporting cast, the Blazers are capped out with questionable management. and Dame and CJ are older, making less sense to try to build a team around them a few years from now. honestly, Portland reminds me of the Joe Johnson era Hawks, just in the western conference instead of the east.

another difference is that Golden State already had the replacement for Monta, Klay, ob the team.

of course, maybe Olshey believes Simons is Portland's Klay...or Stauskas

Ripcity4life · Post #549 » by **Ripcity4life** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:27 am

JUST SAY -- NO to MELO

I do not want him anywhere near the Blazers -- however it could get Olshey fired so part of me i like as long as it is a 1 yr deal and NeO gets canned. I might be up for it plus Blazers could get a Lotto pick out of the disaster it is worth considering.

DusterBuster · Post #550 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:37 am

Ripcity4life wrote:JUST SAY -- NO to MELO

Don't think you'll have to worry about it. There's no realistic scenario where he would end up in Portland. The Blazers don't have the contracts to offer OKC for a trade (they aren't taking on a 2nd year of salary). Also, I don't think the Blazers have any real FA money left, do they?

wco81 · Post #551 » by **wco81** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:20 am

didn't Dame and CJ both want him last offseason?

HoopsFanAZ · Post #552 » by **HoopsFanAZ** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:42 am

Yes, Lillard and CJ wanted Carmelo.

Here's a Portland/OKC trade scenario since a stretch saves a ton of money, but they get no help for the team with player/personnel and it does go on for 3 years on their cap.

Carmelo is at a bit less than $28 million (according to a few sites).
Trade Harkless and Leonard ($21.432 million) with the minimum filler possible -- to get within 125% ($22.4 million).

OKC will want to take back as little as possible. Then, using the TPE, take back Alex Abrines (1 year contract at $5.455 million). OKC saves $10 million in salary and more in tax.

I'm not arguing for this type of deal, and my numbers are subject to others more knowledgeable about the CBA, etc. etc.
I could actually see something like this happening as it's ONLY a one-year tax bump for Portland beyond what they will already pay.

JasonStern · Post #553 » by **JasonStern** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 6:21 pm

Anthony would never sign here, but I fully expect media rumor mills to leak that Portland was interested and tried to pursue him. ultimately, half the tax payer MLE just wasn't enough and he decided to sign with [whatever team] for [probably less], as it was a better fit. But rest well knowing our management team was active in trying to improve the current roster.

WuTang_CMB · Post #554 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 4:49 am

how do you guys think Neil Olshey has done so far in Portland?

B0naf1d3 · Post #555 » by **B0naf1d3** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:39 am

WuTang_OG wrote:how do you guys think Neil Olshey has done so far in Portland?

Loaded question. His strengths lie in the draft & acquiring undervalued talent from the bargain bin. His weaknesses in Portland have largely been contractual. The Crabbe, Leonard, and Turner signings were absolutely brutal, and have hindered the Blazers ability to improve the roster for the last 2 years. That's pretty much the drift of it.

With that said, he has brought a level of stability to the organization. Paul Allen was going through a ton of gm's, but has stuck with Olshey...so that's at least something. Terry Stotts was a great hire, and his teams in Portland always seem to outplay their projections. Rarely does Olshey get credit for it, but he has done a good job of creating a culture that has been lost in the organization for some time now. He drafts/signs/hires people that will fit within the culture the organization has been building since the reset in 2012, and lets them develop and grow together. I feel like the Blazers are a pretty respected organization around the league at this time (player first, development, continuity), and Olshey does have a lot to do with it.

What is most frustrating about Olshey is that this team is an upgrade or two away from taking the next step, and unfortunately his signings in the summer of 2016 are making that task extremely difficult. The hate for him is way overblown, but he did once say about Meyers, "If Meyers believed in himself as much as I do, he'd be an all star" so that was terrifying.

red_power · Post #556 » by **red_power** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 8:16 am

HoopsFanAZ wrote:Yes, Lillard and CJ wanted Carmelo.

Here's a Portland/OKC trade scenario since a stretch saves a ton of money, but they get no help for the team with player/personnel and it does go on for 3 years on their cap.

Carmelo is at a bit less than $28 million (according to a few sites).
Trade Harkless and Leonard ($21.432 million) with the minimum filler possible -- to get within 125% ($22.4 million).

OKC will want to take back as little as possible. Then, using the TPE, take back Alex Abrines (1 year contract at $5.455 million). OKC saves $10 million in salary and more in tax.

I'm not arguing for this type of deal, and my numbers are subject to others more knowledgeable about the CBA, etc. etc.
I could actually see something like this happening as it's ONLY a one-year tax bump for Portland beyond what they will already pay.

Forget it, Melo will be stretched or traded for a very little salary in return. I guess it should be less than cap hit from Melo's contract is going to be that is around $5.6mln/year I think.
There is no point for Oklahoma to take anybody of those our crackheads in any trade.

red_power · Post #557 » by **red_power** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 8:23 am

Nonetheless I don't think Blazers off season is over. Olshey should be sitting on phones right now and looking for a deal with tanking teams to trade ET and Meyers for somewhat more useful players in return or simply dumping them.
Seeing them guys earning $30mln next year combined and hoping we won't need their services this night is absolutely pathetic.. Having to put up with that situation for another year is something anybody shouldn't be agreed with.

Sinobas · Post #558 » by **Sinobas** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:14 pm

I wonder if the Blazers will try to dump Aminu for a 2nd round pick, just to shed his salary for this year. Would that get them under the luxury tax? I could see Olshey reasoning that they won't be able to afford to resign Aminu anyway, and that Collins and Nurk need to be the starters, with Caleb and Meyers being the backups.

Sinobas · Post #559 » by **Sinobas** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:59 pm

CJ for Kevin Love works straight up according to trade checker. I'd be happy to see this deal get made, just because I'm bored with the Lillard/CJ combo. CJ is from Ohio and love is from Oregon. It would also shed a bit of salary from our books.

Teams would respect Love's shot, and Love is a good passer and rebounder. He's not the defender Aminu is, but last year our weakness was actually those offensive lapses. The ball hogging of CJ and Dame is very inconsistent, and doesn't work in the playoffs.

We could maybe even get them to give us Korver in exchange for Leonard.

DusterBuster · Post #560 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 4:45 pm

Sinobas wrote:CJ for Kevin Love works straight up according to trade checker. I'd be happy to see this deal get made, just because I'm bored with the Lillard/CJ combo. CJ is from Ohio and love is from Oregon. It would also shed a bit of salary from our books.

Teams would respect Love's shot, and Love is a good passer and rebounder. He's not the defender Aminu is, but last year our weakness was actually those offensive lapses. The ball hogging of CJ and Dame is very inconsistent, and doesn't work in the playoffs.

We could maybe even get them to give us Korver in exchange for Leonard.

I for one am happy real GMs don't make trades "because theyre bored".