Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

[sam_I_am]

Walter isn’t buying the story that Marcus is disgusted.

https://nesn.com/2018/07/ex-celtics-coach-walter-mccarty-seemingly-questions-marcus-smart-report/

[31to6]

Walter isn’t buying the story that Marcus is disgusted.

https://nesn.com/2018/07/ex-celtics-coach-walter-mccarty-seemingly-questions-marcus-smart-report/

I thought that Walter was implying that the ‘source’ is Marcus Smart.

[Captain_Caveman]

Someone could go high on a one year offer.

They can do that? There's no minimum number of years? Like two years guaranteed?

No offer sheets have to be for 2 years not including options. They don't have to be guaranteed but I don't see how this would make the Celtics less likely to match.

It gets tough if it pushes us further into tax just for a guy who could be unrestricted again in a year.

[31to6]

Smarts worth what he can get. He’ll get the QO or a hair more. He can’t shoot. I’ve been saying this forever. Teams aren’t gonna pay starter money to a chucker.

I think that's the golden combo here. Not only is he the worst shooter in the NBA but he's a HUGE chucker and has horrific basketball IQ.

Pounds the rock endlessly dribbling till there's 5 seconds left instead of running sets but he can't dribble past his man.

His approach to the game on offense is just terrible. He's basically weighing down the entire team playing a brand of basketball that is half as efficient as it would be if he just ran a set and got the ball out of his hands as soon as possible. Or made passing plays that his basic level of passing can do like for players coming off curls and picks.

And the rest of the NBA sees that.

He's just not a good ballhandler, has no penetration skill, worst shooter in the NBA, can't finish at the rim for ****... and somehow is blind to all his faults on offense and plays like he's old man Kobe out there.

A "smart" Smart would be a much different player.

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

I agree with a fair amount of your on-the-court critique here, but let’s not forget when Robdo broke his hand ‘falling in the shower.’ Like most 20-somethings do.

[Captain_Caveman]

Smart is your classic case of overconfidence gone awry. For the life of me, I just want to see somebody coach the hell out of this guy and micromanage him until he loses all of his bad habits. Stevens hasn’t shown yet that he’s even going to try and leash him. It’s a shame. He’s such a dynamic defensive player but his value ranks the second the motion shifts to the other side of the court.

Turning Tatum into somebody that can guard (or try to) guard Durant should be our top focus. Kyrie and Rozier can slow down Curry and Brown can run Thompson off of his spots. I think Smart would be effective against Golden State too, and it’s a shame we were minutes away from seeing that chance, but 12 million isn’t something I’d offer to Smart at this juncture.


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Hilarious that an IT stan is bothered by another players bad habits.

IT is literally the worst defender in the sport in a generation, and one of the laziest. Also pretty selfish on offense.

[JJHondo17]

Walter isn’t buying the story that Marcus is disgusted.

https://nesn.com/2018/07/ex-celtics-coach-walter-mccarty-seemingly-questions-marcus-smart-report/

Neither am I!! Marcus knows what the deal was, go out and make your best deal and we'll see if we want to match it. If the Market's drying up, then he can settle for the QO this year or revisit the deal the Celtics have offered in the past, which I believe was 3 yrs
(27 - 30 mil)

[Celts17Pride]

Walter isn’t buying the story that Marcus is disgusted.

https://nesn.com/2018/07/ex-celtics-coach-walter-mccarty-seemingly-questions-marcus-smart-report/

Neither am I!! Marcus knows what the deal was, go out and make your best deal and we'll see if we want to match it. If the Market's drying up, then he can settle for the QO this year or revisit the deal the Celtics have offered in the past, which I believe was 3 yrs
(27 - 30 mil)

Celtics are not going to bid against themselves. Smart is going to end up getting traded or taking the QO.

If Celtics really want to keep Smart they may give him something like 2 years and $18-20 million

[celticfan42487]

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

How do you explain the video in which Stevens pretty much says Smart is the most valuable personality he's coached in the pros?

Watch on YouTube

That said, "most" might be a slight overstatement.

Watch on YouTube

People said the same thing about the Walker and more before Ainge traded him saying he was a toxic element.

Stevens isn't going to speak badly about his own players because he's not a moron. Almost any human has at least that amount of common sense.

You can love your teammates as a player and your teammates love playing with you and still be a stupid player that hurts the team. This isn't exactly something new. Nor is a rare correlation that those type of players generally are inefficient chuckers.

But rather than fluff PR pieces I was referring to him injuring himself this year, in a contract year, on a year where the players in front of him (Irving and Hayward) are out hurt so it's his time. And in college punching a fan in a stand. These are common sense things to avoid from people with control over their lives/emotions. Then his actual play on the court which on offense no team in the NBA wants him to play the way he does, they would want him to avoid playing into his weaknesses. What else is there to conclude after 4 years that he still hasn't made any improvement in his approach to the game or material improvement in his skills other than either we have the worst coaching staff of all time or he's not very coachable.

Honestly though who cares, it's Marcus freaking Smart. He'll sign for the QO and we'll have him coming off the bench this year. Next year as an unrestricted free agent I'm sure in August the Hawks will throw him something like 4 years at 7 million a season and he'll go on and keep being full blown Smart for them.

[mbsnmisc]

Smart is your classic case of overconfidence gone awry. For the life of me, I just want to see somebody coach the hell out of this guy and micromanage him until he loses all of his bad habits. Stevens hasn’t shown yet that he’s even going to try and leash him. It’s a shame. He’s such a dynamic defensive player but his value ranks the second the motion shifts to the other side of the court.

Turning Tatum into somebody that can guard (or try to) guard Durant should be our top focus. Kyrie and Rozier can slow down Curry and Brown can run Thompson off of his spots. I think Smart would be effective against Golden State too, and it’s a shame we were minutes away from seeing that chance, but 12 million isn’t something I’d offer to Smart at this juncture.


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Should sit Smart the rest of the night when he goes full Marcus.

On offense? Or defense? He plays both sides of the ball.

[BruceBanner18]

I question the line of thinking that 'Ainge isn't going to bid against himself'. It's certainly more complicated than that. Assuming Smart is considered a long term asset to the team, you'd be bidding against next years offers too. Of course, that's where it gets subjective and negotiations break down bc he and Ainge may have differing projections. For instance, if Ainge project him potentially getting offers of 14-16 million next summer, then an 12 million dollar average annual will net a very club friendly contract in years 2-4. Also, there are ways to build in value to the team in exchange for more annual salary, such as adding a team option year or years to provide salary/tax relief flexibility while increasing trade value. This is what Baynes did, he got a player option on year two (more control) in exchange for the lower annual salary he took with the C's.

I think he gets extended. I am curious if Rozier gets extended

[sully00]

Smart is your classic case of overconfidence gone awry. For the life of me, I just want to see somebody coach the hell out of this guy and micromanage him until he loses all of his bad habits. Stevens hasn’t shown yet that he’s even going to try and leash him. It’s a shame. He’s such a dynamic defensive player but his value ranks the second the motion shifts to the other side of the court.

Turning Tatum into somebody that can guard (or try to) guard Durant should be our top focus. Kyrie and Rozier can slow down Curry and Brown can run Thompson off of his spots. I think Smart would be effective against Golden State too, and it’s a shame we were minutes away from seeing that chance, but 12 million isn’t something I’d offer to Smart at this juncture.


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Should sit Smart the rest of the night when he goes full Marcus.

I find it hard to believe Stevens doesn't want Smart to play with intelligence. I just don't think Smart is coachable. So Stevens plays the player's he's given.

As someone above posted he's made almost no material improvement since coming into the league, might be the worst shooter in NBA history, and his best season very well could have been his rookie year.

Honestly, it wouldn't be great for Smart financially, but the best thing might be if he receives no offers this offseason and no offers next off season and is finally humbled. Then hopefully he'd be open to making what is very obvious and easy changes to play away from his weaknesses on the court and just focus on what he can do as a situational roleplaying type.

He's a Lindsey Hunter type on a winning team in a league that really demands it's guards and wings to be able to hit the 3 and get by their man with the ball in their hands. It's a tough fit for any team but he still has a role to play in this league.

I don't think this is necessarily fair. This isn't an issue of intelligence or coach-ability this is the ball not going in the hoop. Brad and Danny love this kid and he works his ass off. They believe in him as a shooter and you see Brad telling him to keep shooting it all the time because if he isn't at least a threat to fire one off then it is going to screw up the spacing on the floor. This is the same coach who turned Aaron Baynes into Ray Allen he thinks everyone should shoot 3's he would have Perkins jacking them up.

[Valid]

Smarts worth what he can get. He’ll get the QO or a hair more. He can’t shoot. I’ve been saying this forever. Teams aren’t gonna pay starter money to a chucker.

I think that's the golden combo here. Not only is he the worst shooter in the NBA but he's a HUGE chucker and has horrific basketball IQ.

Pounds the rock endlessly dribbling till there's 5 seconds left instead of running sets but he can't dribble past his man.

His approach to the game on offense is just terrible. He's basically weighing down the entire team playing a brand of basketball that is half as efficient as it would be if he just ran a set and got the ball out of his hands as soon as possible. Or made passing plays that his basic level of passing can do like for players coming off curls and picks.

And the rest of the NBA sees that.

He's just not a good ballhandler, has no penetration skill, worst shooter in the NBA, can't finish at the rim for ****... and somehow is blind to all his faults on offense and plays like he's old man Kobe out there.

A "smart" Smart would be a much different player.

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

Lol. Yeah he's "weighing down the team" with his plus-5 net rating.

Your ignorance is bliss shtick is getting old.

[Feed Your Head]

Yeah reload said this isn't true at all, and ddb said they've talked contracts. But please continue the false start horrible posts, Marcus has a low basketball IQ? Anybody who thinks that, has exactly that.

No player who is such a net positive player can be weighing down anything. But certain posters can absolutely have agendas and continually ignore reality to push that agenda. Cave was right when he said people who are so anti Smart clearly don't understand winning basketball. But it is amusing watching people be wrong over and over, that the Celtics defense would take a big step back this past year because of no Avery, that Tatum is a low ceiling reach of a pick, etc etc. And lol@ Marcus not running sets, the whole offense when he is at the point is running sets, anyone with a basic understanding of basketball can see that. Rozier is the one who dribbles down the clock, he is just more capable at breaking his man down at the end.

[sully00]

They can do that? There's no minimum number of years? Like two years guaranteed?

No offer sheets have to be for 2 years not including options. They don't have to be guaranteed but I don't see how this would make the Celtics less likely to match.

It gets tough if it pushes us further into tax just for a guy who could be unrestricted again in a year.

It would be two years not one that is the whole point. But it doesn't matter because it isn't happening anyhow. There are better players still available in UFA and RFA that are probably not going to get cap space offer sheets.

Money is money but honestly Smart would be nuts to leave Boston and Stevens no other coach is going to give him the opportunities he gets here.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

Rondo only showed up for work when the game was on national television. Smart plays hard all the time, even during his own basketball camps against little kids.

Seriously though, just look:
Offensive rating with Smart on the court - 108.4
Offensive rating with Smart off the court - 107.9

As bad as Smart's shooting is, the offense is actually better when he's playing.

Now, here's a look at the opponent's offensive ratings:
When Smart is on the court - 101.7
When Smart is off the court - 106.3

Smart is valuable.

[Feed Your Head]

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

Rondo only showed up for work when the game was on national television. Smart plays hard all the time, even during his own basketball camps against little kids.

Seriously though, just look:
Offensive rating with Smart on the court - 108.4
Offensive rating with Smart off the court - 107.9

As bad as Smart's shooting is, the offense is actually better when he's playing.

Now, here's a look at the opponent's offensive ratings:
When Smart is on the court - 101.7
When Smart is off the court - 106.3

Smart is valuable.

No, facts and stats and reality are irrelevant! It can't possibly be that certain peoples perceptions of a player is clouding their judgement.

[Fencer reregistered]

Seriously though, just look:
Offensive rating with Smart on the court - 108.4
Offensive rating with Smart off the court - 107.9

Who is the most likely alternative? Kyrie? Rozier? Jaylen? And is Morris coming in for Baynes at the same times?

Still, as incomplete as those stats are, they are evidence that Smart isn't the offensive liability is shot selection and shooting accuracy would suggest.

[canman1971]

This who "Smart is disgusted" is absolutely ridiculous. And it just goes to show how bad reporting has become.

[jfs1000d]

Dude.

This is the business you have chosen.

Go get yourself some big money, then dare celtics to match. I think they will.

[sam_I_am]

And we can only assume how terrible he is to manage and in the locker room when he does things like break his own hand in a contract year because he got "angry" one night and in college punched out a fan in the stands. He has a long track history of not being the best. I won't be surprised when after this year, after he leaves for playing for the QO which is about as much as he's worth, we hear that Brad Stevens most difficult player to coach was Smart and made Rondo look like a saint by comparison. At least Rondo only got injured actually showing up for work and doing his job.

Rondo only showed up for work when the game was on national television. Smart plays hard all the time, even during his own basketball camps against little kids.

Seriously though, just look:
Offensive rating with Smart on the court - 108.4
Offensive rating with Smart off the court - 107.9

As bad as Smart's shooting is, the offense is actually better when he's playing.

Now, here's a look at the opponent's offensive ratings:
When Smart is on the court - 101.7
When Smart is off the court - 106.3

Smart is valuable.

Those defensive numbers are even more impressive when you count all the long rebounds leading to easy fast breaks on his 3 point bricks.