Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[Wizardspride]

Wow. Indy is so smart. They quietly grabbed Tyreke Evans (who should have been an All Star last year) for 12M. They can play him at SF with Bogdanovic moving to a backup wing where he is more suited.

That's a real good 8-man rotation they have:

PG Collison/Joseph
SG Oladipo/Bodganovic
SF Evans/Bogdanovic
PF Thad Young/Turner
C Turner/Sabonis

That Evans signing is bad news for the Wiz. He can really play and will give teams hell next to Oladipo

While I like the pickup I still prefer our overall depth.



Yeah, I'm pretty bullish on this team.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think Indy probably does win more than the Wizards. Really, teams with better depth tend to do better, on average. The Wizards rely far too much on playing Wall and Beal in particular big minutes and not delegating responsibilities unless they have to. That works well enough in the playoffs, but it's not a great strategy for regular season success.

[pcbothwel]

Wow. Indy is so smart. They quietly grabbed Tyreke Evans (who should have been an All Star last year) for 12M. They can play him at SF with Bogdanovic moving to a backup wing where he is more suited.

That's a real good 8-man rotation they have:

PG Collison/Joseph
SG Oladipo/Bodganovic
SF Evans/Bogdanovic
PF Thad Young/Turner
C Turner/Sabonis

That Evans signing is bad news for the Wiz. He can really play and will give teams hell next to Oladipo

While I like the pickup I still prefer our overall depth.



Yeah, I'm pretty bullish on this team.

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Damn... They are deep
That said, I do see a POSSIBLE weakness at the wing.

Dipo, Bojan, and Evans all had far and away career year. Might be real, especially given Dipos age...
But Evans is going into his 10th year... How many wings have blow out career years in their 9th year and then sustain it?
Not many

Also, their front court now consist of Bigs like Turner, Sabonis, Leaf, KOQ, and Anigbogu... They also have PF's McDermott, Poythress, and Young... all of which cant play the 3 well.

Interesting to watch play out

BTW... They had such a great offseason and ruined it with that McBuckets signing. Doesnt Pass, Rebound, play defense, draw fouls, create his own shot, of create turnovers.
Absolute "break glass" 12th man. Rather have Jodie Meeks for the same money... not kidding

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't like the McBuckets signing, either, but I didn't like their Bogdanovic signing last season, either, and that worked out alright. They have seem to have a reasonable understanding of the roles they want players to play and who values what. To be honest, that's also part of where I question people who think Evans was a steal for them. Even the Pacers seem to disagree with that assessment give who else they've paid and how much for how long. NBA teams don't appear to value that kind of all-encompassing role as much as fans do, unless that player is a truly elite talent, and frankly, I think they're right.

[80sballboy]

Now hearing Melo to the Rockets after he gets cut? The ISOist team of all time!

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't love Melo on any team at this point, but if there's a coach who figures out how to get the most out of him, it's D'Antoni.

[dckingsfan]

So far - a bit of consensus with the below - what about Milwaukee and Miami?


Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Cleveland

[miller31time]

I don’t think Indiana is better than us now that we’ve shored up our center position and bench. I could see this Wizards team winning 50+ games this season and I don’t believe Indy will reach that level.

I’d rank the East as follows....

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Washington / Toronto
4. Washington / Toronto
5. Indiana
6. Milwaukee
7. Miami
8. Detroit / Charlotte

[payitforward]

I don’t think Indiana is better than us now that we’ve shored up our center position and bench. I could see this Wizards team winning 50+ games this season and I don’t believe Indy will reach that level.

I’d rank the East as follows....

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Washington / Toronto
4. Washington / Toronto
5. Indiana
6. Milwaukee
7. Miami
8. Detroit / Charlotte

Wow... just wow.

Howard is better than Gortat -- stipulated.

Jeff Green is Mike Scott in a Jeff Green costume -- does no one even look at what he puts up while in games? Is it... his name? His name is a better name than Mike Scott? They seem sort of similar as names to me.

Austin Rivers is better than nobody. He was comfortably in the bottom 15% of all NBA guards in productivity last year. Moreover, that's where he's been every single year of his career.

If we're better than we were last year, which I hope (and even think) we will be, you can put it on one or more of 3 things: 1) Wall plays 1000 more minutes & a zillion times better than last year -- more or less like the year before; 2) Howard plays at the level of his recent years & doesn't cause a bunch of locker room disruption; 3) Oubre & Satoransky continue to develop (esp. Oubre) & get plenty of playing time.

What can limit (maybe even prevent) our improvement is easy: Rivers taking minutes from better players. Since pretty much all our players are better players than he, you can just say that the more minutes he plays the less good a team we are.

People here continue to act as if we somehow "acquired" Austin Rivers. We did not. We took the only offer we got for Marcin Gortat before the garage sale closed down. Again, does anybody even look at what guys do while they're on the floor?

The biggest part of the gap between us and Indy last year was Wall's injury. If all goes really really well, it's possible -- just conceivable -- that we slip in front of them.

Of course, both Milwaukee & Miami were also better than the Wizards last year. Like the Wizards, the Bucks are a poorly run franchise. As with us, it's never easy to predict them doing well 2 years in a row. The Heat had no draft picks; I just heard that they signed Greg Oden. ?? I think they may plan to tank.

[dckingsfan]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

[Rafael122]

I think the top 4 are:

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Indiana

Washington is probably 5th at this point, but if you can get 75 games out of Wall, Beal, and Porter, I definitely think they can make a run at the 3rd or 4th seed.

[deneem4]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

How are we returning the same team? We have a new center new guard new forward all are top 8 in rotation that’s not the same team

[deneem4]

I don't love Melo on any team at this point, but if there's a coach who figures out how to get the most out of him, it's D'Antoni.

I honestly wouldn’t mind melo off the bench for us...

sato or rivers
Oubre
Melo
Green
mahinmi

That’s a pretty strong bench and melo would be the only link defensively if sato on the court...

[miller31time]

I don’t think Indiana is better than us now that we’ve shored up our center position and bench. I could see this Wizards team winning 50+ games this season and I don’t believe Indy will reach that level.

I’d rank the East as follows....

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Washington / Toronto
4. Washington / Toronto
5. Indiana
6. Milwaukee
7. Miami
8. Detroit / Charlotte

Wow... just wow.

Howard is better than Gortat -- stipulated.

Jeff Green is Mike Scott in a Jeff Green costume -- does no one even look at what he puts up while in games? Is it... his name? His name is a better name than Mike Scott? They seem sort of similar as names to me.

Austin Rivers is better than nobody. He was comfortably in the bottom 15% of all NBA guards in productivity last year. Moreover, that's where he's been every single year of his career.

If we're better than we were last year, which I hope (and even think) we will be, you can put it on one or more of 3 things: 1) Wall plays 1000 more minutes & a zillion times better than last year -- more or less like the year before; 2) Howard plays at the level of his recent years & doesn't cause a bunch of locker room disruption; 3) Oubre & Satoransky continue to develop (esp. Oubre) & get plenty of playing time.

What can limit (maybe even prevent) our improvement is easy: Rivers taking minutes from better players. Since pretty much all our players are better players than he, you can just say that the more minutes he plays the less good a team we are.

People here continue to act as if we somehow "acquired" Austin Rivers. We did not. We took the only offer we got for Marcin Gortat before the garage sale closed down. Again, does anybody even look at what guys do while they're on the floor?

The biggest part of the gap between us and Indy last year was Wall's injury. If all goes really really well, it's possible -- just conceivable -- that we slip in front of them.

Of course, both Milwaukee & Miami were also better than the Wizards last year. Like the Wizards, the Bucks are a poorly run franchise. As with us, it's never easy to predict them doing well 2 years in a row. The Heat had no draft picks; I just heard that they signed Greg Oden. ?? I think they may plan to tank.

Your posting style is so off-putting and confrontational that I didn’t even read most of your post.

Not even attacking you right now, just letting you know that if you want people to actually absorb the information you have, being approachable enough to get them to read it is a good start.

[miller31time]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

I think motivation has a lot to do with team performance. I believe that the playoffs did a lot to quash any idea that Toronto is a legit force in the East. That mindset, coupled with the loss of a very popular players’ coach, will result in a regression.

I also don’t believe we are “returning the same team” at all. Signing Dwight Howard solves a lot of on-court issues that this team has suffered from. I don’t think people truly appreciate what a motivated Dwight can do for this team. Rivers, while I don’t love him, is a solid addition to the bench and does something we sorely lacked last season - a scoring threat off the bench at the guard spot. Another year of experience and weights for Oubre will be a benefit as well.

Overall, I could easily see this team going from 43 wins to 50+ with health from Wall for a majority of the season.

[Illmatic12]

So far - a bit of consensus with the below - what about Milwaukee and Miami?


Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Cleveland

I see no reason why Indiana is on a different tier from Washington. Assuming health all around, I'd say something like

Boston
Philly/Toronto/Washington/Indy
Milwaukee/Detroit/Miami
Cleveland/Charlotte

[dckingsfan]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

How are we returning the same team? We have a new center new guard new forward all are top 8 in rotation that’s not the same team

I guess if you feel that Dwight is a huge improvement over Gortat - then I see how you would feel that way. Rivers/Green aren't better than anything we had last year. Or do you feel Rivers/Green are going to break out?

Or let me put it as a question in case I am missing something (yes, often). Why are we a different team?

[dckingsfan]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

I think motivation has a lot to do with team performance. I believe that the playoffs did a lot to quash any idea that Toronto is a legit force in the East. That mindset, coupled with the loss of a very popular players’ coach, will result in a regression.

I also don’t believe we are “returning the same team” at all. Signing Dwight Howard solves a lot of on-court issues that this team has suffered from. I don’t think people truly appreciate what a motivated Dwight can do for this team. Rivers, while I don’t love him, is a solid addition to the bench and does something we sorely lacked last season - a scoring threat off the bench at the guard spot. Another year of experience and weights for Oubre will be a benefit as well.

Overall, I could easily see this team going from 43 wins to 50+ with health from Wall for a majority of the season.

Gotcha - solid explanation of your logic. Not sure if I buy a 19 game regression by Toronto but you aren't making that case. So, I suppose the above list applies?

[dckingsfan]

So far - a bit of consensus with the below - what about Milwaukee and Miami?


Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Cleveland

I see no reason why Indiana is on a different tier from Washington. Assuming health all around, I'd say something like

Boston
Philly/Toronto/Washington/Indy
Milwaukee/Detroit/Miami
Cleveland/Charlotte

Just a question - you think that the 19 game differential will be closed between Toronto and Washington? You think Philly and Washington are now at the same level?

[deneem4]

@miller31time - Toronto won 59 games and are essentially returning the same team. We won 43 games and are essentially returning the same team. Do you think that Toronto will take a dive or the Wizards will make up this 16 games? Or a combination of the two.

I guess that goes the same with Indy - they seemed to have improved - so they are likely to cross the 50 win threshold. By your logic, wouldn't that make it?

1. Boston
2. Philly
3. Toronto
4. Washington / Indiana
5. Washington / Indiana

How are we returning the same team? We have a new center new guard new forward all are top 8 in rotation that’s not the same team

I guess if you feel that Dwight is a huge improvement over Gortat - then I see how you would feel that way. Rivers/Green aren't better than anything we had last year. Or do you feel Rivers/Green are going to break out?

Or let me put it as a question in case I am missing something (yes, often). Why are we a different team?

I do believe howard is a huge improvement to gortat...hes actually a presence in the paint and he can dunk as well as defend iso big...

We loose scott scoring but we get jeff green defense and slashing n he fearless attacking

Rivers is meh but its something we didnt have last year far as guard play