Howard signs a 2 year deal for the tax MLE with a player option per Woj

[pcbothwel]

Don’t understand why we would include a 2nd year player option. Was another team going to sign him and we upped the ante? Because otherwise, this is a major disadvantage.

2 Things.

1) There is no way that PO hurts us. I dont think anyone on this board expect Howard to not play well... its more about culture. If he is a bad fit in the locker room, he'll just opt out. Hard to imagine a scenario where he takes 5M to come back if hes not welcome.

2) Im curious if their was a waiver of the set off provision in the buyout. If thats the case, it would allow him to double dip and therefore makes sense that he would want more than the vet min. BKN might have required it as part of the buyout. Smart move by them if so.

[nate33]

come on ccj. not a good look playing the race card on wall like that. y'all still talking about jan f'ing vesely on this board?

Yep that got me triggered. Vesely was a lazy bum who didn't want to put in the work to be a good NBA player. Wall absolutely had nothing to do with Vesely busting.

Agree 100%. Vesely was a coward with no discernible basketball skills. He either had to bulk up to become a center, or develop some skills so he could play PF. He did neither. He had nobody to blame but himself.

Interestingly, the way the league has shifted to more mobile centers, and with the way Vesely has finally filled out, he might actually be a useful role player now.

[closg00]

EG's most comfortable when he's bidding against someone he knows he can beat: himself.

WTF! Just seeing this, Ernie strikes again with no team option. Chances, we are the last NBA team that wants anything to do with Howard, would MUCH rather have that 1-year $4.5M deal Kyle O Quinn got.

[80sballboy]

If he averages (again) around 16ppg with 12 rpg and is not a locker room cancer, I don't think he accepts player option. He'll want at least twice that money. Might not get it but don't think he automatically is just going to accept that PO.

[Error Afflalo]

Don’t understand why we would include a 2nd year player option. Was another team going to sign him and we upped the ante? Because otherwise, this is a major disadvantage.

2 Things.

1) There is no way that PO hurts us. I dont think anyone on this board expect Howard to not play well... its more about culture. If he is a bad fit in the locker room, he'll just opt out. Hard to imagine a scenario where he takes 5M to come back if hes not welcome.

2) Im curious if their was a waiver of the set off provision in the buyout. If thats the case, it would allow him to double dip and therefore makes sense that he would want more than the vet min. BKN might have required it as part of the buyout. Smart move by them if so.

Let's say he plays well and opts out, is there a benefit to having signed him for two years when it comes to bird rights? I know they would've been limited to offering him 120% of the previous year's salary if he'd signed for a year.

[FAH1223]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Irving has a ring because Lebron came back

You think if we traded Wall to LA right now, they couldnt win the West and get a ring?

THAT IS WHY I'M FLOATING THE IDEA OF WALL TO THE LAKERS. https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/180621-lakers-draft-moritz-wagner YES, the Lakers WITH WALL can win MULTIPLE TITLES.

That would be TERRIFIC for John Wall! I would be ECSTATIC for John Wall.

The key is that I TRULY BELIEVE THE LAKERS HAVE TREMENDOUS ASSETS TO OFFER IN TRADE RIGHT NOW. Lebron's window for LAL to win a title is 2 years. They WILL add another superstar. I'm thinking Kawhi Leonard will go to the Clippers. Lebron's too ball dominant. I think Kemba Walker will be the player the Lakers acquire. WHAT I HOPE IS THE WIZARDS GET SMART...

The Wizards could get Lonzo Ball, ISAIAH THOMAS I think (not sure) on a S/T, Brandon Ingram, and the Deng contract FOR WALL and filler.

Wall is going to be a super max player on a team coached by Scott Brooks and GM'd by Ernie Grunfeld. HE IS NOT GOING TO WIN A THING..not in the next three years. HOWEVER, think of the Wizards with all that talent!!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I love the way Isaiah Thomas has owned John Wall. 60th player picked in almost every time he goes up against John Wall his team wins.

When the Wizards go out in the first round again we'll talk

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When Kyrie Irving came out I said I would trade John Wall for him. Kyrie Irving HAS a championship ring and he is considered better than John Wall as a scorer

I would take Lonzo Ball right now on a rookie deal over this John Wall.

Wall is capable of being a superstar OVER spurts within games. HOWEVER, he makeS the same mistakes over and over again mainly because of this stupid coach and the offense the Wizards run

The reason I am so down on wall as he lacks the main quality I like in a player and that is leadership. His character is of one that is a hey look at me I'm better than you instead of I know what's best for the team in a certain time and place. He gets trapped in mano a mano one-on-one battles and he holds the ball and misses. He does not pass to the players that need to be shooting like Otto Porter. I am right about John Wall and you going to be showing wrong you're the one that's blind since you want to go there

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You'd take Ball over John Wall???

Then I was 100% correct before when I said you were an idiot you just made my case for me

ROOKIE DEAL PLAYER 1
Player 1 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html

$7,461,960
$8,719,320
$11,003,782


SUPER MAX CONTRACT PLAYER 2
Player 2 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

$19,169,800
$37,800,000
$40,824,000

$43,848,000
$46,872,000

BurtGummer Lonzo Ball will make $27.2M over the next three years, COMBINED. John Wall will make $97.8M over the next 3 season...so, that's $70M right there. (You're going to pay 23M a year more PLUS whatever luxury tax)... AND YOU WILL STILL OWE WALL $102 MILLION MORE in years 4 and 5 (his player option)...REGARDLESS OF HIS KNEEs which might require additional surgery...


NOTE: The Wizards are over the luxury tax (I would rather have 2nd year Ball, in hopes he improves, because his salary is MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE).

Wall's super max is an albatross.

YOU CALLED ME AN IDIOT BUT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T READ well.. THAT'S WHY I PUT BIG FONT and EVEN RED so that your comprehension can be enhanced.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

People get stupid when you mention Wall. Disagree with me all you want, but if you call me an idiot you better have a mirror to know what one looks like for sure.

[Wizardspride]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

come on ccj. not a good look playing the race card on wall like that. y'all still talking about jan f'ing vesely on this board?

Yep that got me triggered. Vesely was a lazy bum who didn't want to put in the work to be a good NBA player. Wall absolutely had nothing to do with Vesely busting.

Agree 100%. Vesely was a coward with no discernible basketball skills. He either had to bulk up to become a center, or develop some skills so he could play PF. He did neither. He had nobody to blame but himself.

Interestingly, the way the league has shifted to more mobile centers, and with the way Vesely has finally filled out, he might actually be a useful role player now.

I totally disagree with you and Dat.

Vesely was drafted 6 overall. He had a lot of skills mainly athleticism. Since you love stats so much why don't you look at box plus-minus with Jan vesely.on the court.

The Wizards did not insist on making vesely go from a small forward slash power forward to a center until they had Ariza and they already had Webster. If I recall correctly they also had Singleton and Booker on the team.

They acquired veteran players and forced him out of a position and out of the league.

The last few games of the 2011 season Seraphin and Vesely started. The Wizards went undefeated for several of those games. Those players had futures and should have been traded once the Wizards insured they would no longer get the playing time and the commitment to their careers that they deserved.

Arguing with you guys and battling my stupid ass autocorrect it's not worth it. You can tag team and join in but you're just as wrong as Dat is nate.

Calling a player a coward is subjective. So is calling that player lazy.

Randy Wittman was coach. He was terrible with rookies. In so Wizards style that is when all rookies and young players were kicked to the curb in favor of veterans. Okafor and Ariza were acquired. That is when Vesely lost all hope

When there are so many roster spaces and so little minutes certain players are frozen out of the roster sort of like Tomas satoransky is right now with Austin Rivers on the team.

But guys like you who know so much about the cap have no clue when it comes to chemistry and what's going to happen down the road.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Vesely was drafted as a small forward. I felt like he was not going to be a good player and I posted so during his draft. I recall James Gist from University of Maryland was on Jans team and had much better statistics in Europe.

Vesely was a good defender and he was a high motor player. On the bum side he could give you more fouls than points and he was a horrific free-throw shooter.

Asking Jan Vesely to bulk up is like asking Kelly oubre to weigh 240. It makes no sense to me.

[nate33]

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Wall has spent most of the summer training in Miami. When he showed up courtside in Vegas, Wall looked visibly leaner and more sculpted at 205 pounds

Good to hear.

Wall also mentioned that Oubre would be significantly improved this year. I don't know if that's just an assumption because players often improve in their 4th season, or if Wall actually knows something about Oubre's offseason training.

[payitforward]

EG's most comfortable when he's bidding against someone he knows he can beat: himself.

WTF! Just seeing this, Ernie strikes again with no team option. Chances, we are the last NBA team that wants anything to do with Howard, would MUCH rather have that 1-year $4.5M deal Kyle O Quinn got.

I agree, except I'd have tried to sign O'Quinn for 3 years.

We are becoming a rental destination. Not a way to build anything.

[Wizardspride]

Vesely was drafted as a small forward. I felt like he was not going to be a good player and I posted so during his draft. I recall James Gist from University of Maryland was on Jans team and had much better statistics in Europe.

Vesely was a good defender and he was a high motor player. On the bum side he could give you more fouls than points and he was a horrific free-throw shooter.

Asking Jan Vesely to bulk up is like asking Kelly oubre to weigh 240. It makes no sense to me.

I'm probably the only person who backed EG's decision to draft Vesely.

To be honest, I think I became enamored with his raw athleticism...while just not realizing how much "basketball" skill he was lacking.

[gesa2]

I dont think its fair to blame Vesely for not being worthy of the 6th pick. He wasn't skilled enough to play in the NBA then, but that's on Ernie.

[dckingsfan]

Just when you think you are winning

Now Howard can be his punk self - no way out of it without a painful cut the following year. Only EG

[dckingsfan]

Vesely was drafted as a small forward. I felt like he was not going to be a good player and I posted so during his draft. I recall James Gist from University of Maryland was on Jans team and had much better statistics in Europe.

Vesely was a good defender and he was a high motor player. On the bum side he could give you more fouls than points and he was a horrific free-throw shooter.

Asking Jan Vesely to bulk up is like asking Kelly oubre to weigh 240. It makes no sense to me.

I'm probably the only person who backed EG's decision to draft Vesely.

To be honest, I think I became enamored with his raw athleticism...while just not realizing how much "basketball" skill he was lacking.

And he would have been fine if they left him in Europe until he was ready...

[barelyawake]

Media says we need a leader in the locker room. I agree. There is one in Europe who has been eyeing a return. Boris Diaw. Perfect guy for the end of the bench.

[BurtGummer]

When Kyrie Irving came out I said I would trade John Wall for him. Kyrie Irving HAS a championship ring and he is considered better than John Wall as a scorer

I would take Lonzo Ball right now on a rookie deal over this John Wall.

Wall is capable of being a superstar OVER spurts within games. HOWEVER, he makeS the same mistakes over and over again mainly because of this stupid coach and the offense the Wizards run

The reason I am so down on wall as he lacks the main quality I like in a player and that is leadership. His character is of one that is a hey look at me I'm better than you instead of I know what's best for the team in a certain time and place. He gets trapped in mano a mano one-on-one battles and he holds the ball and misses. He does not pass to the players that need to be shooting like Otto Porter. I am right about John Wall and you going to be showing wrong you're the one that's blind since you want to go there

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You'd take Ball over John Wall???

Then I was 100% correct before when I said you were an idiot you just made my case for me

ROOKIE DEAL PLAYER 1
Player 1 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html

$7,461,960
$8,719,320
$11,003,782


SUPER MAX CONTRACT PLAYER 2
Player 2 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

$19,169,800
$37,800,000
$40,824,000

$43,848,000
$46,872,000

BurtGummer Lonzo Ball will make $27.2M over the next three years, COMBINED. John Wall will make $97.8M over the next 3 season...so, that's $70M right there. (You're going to pay 23M a year more PLUS whatever luxury tax)... AND YOU WILL STILL OWE WALL $102 MILLION MORE in years 4 and 5 (his player option)...REGARDLESS OF HIS KNEEs which might require additional surgery...


NOTE: The Wizards are over the luxury tax (I would rather have 2nd year Ball, in hopes he improves, because his salary is MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE).

Wall's super max is an albatross.

YOU CALLED ME AN IDIOT BUT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T READ well.. THAT'S WHY I PUT BIG FONT and EVEN RED so that your comprehension can be enhanced.

So if Ball is cheaper that makes him better?Not to mention the bs that his father brings
If you'd seriously take Ball then I'd suggest you need to remove your head from your a**