Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[TheGOATRises007]

How is this PR based? the PR move would of been to not match the offer.

It's simple.

Most casual fans saw Lavine as the main asset from the Butler trade.

Letting him walk can be construed as a poor PR move.

That's just not true.

Casual fans may see it that way.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Stay classy guys!

He's just mad at your dumb ass front office for offering Zach his dumb ass contract that our dumb ass front office of course had to match. No hard feelings teddy brosevelt.

I'm not a Kings fan. Was just visiting their board.

Ahh just gawking at our collective front offices' stupidity huh. Ok then you serve no useful purpose here.

[keloms]

Looks like Bulls can still get to 2 max spaces next year, but, they'd have to let Portis, Valentine, Grant, and Payne walk as well as find a deal that sends Felicio off with nothing in return.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Stay classy guys!

Weird. That’s totally unlike him.

[rtblues]

Yaaay!
They paid $80 Million for a piece of wood.

So you are saying you have never seen wood? Strange...

Just to clarify, there is a colloquialism that goes, "Dumb as wood"
So, got it?

[madvillian]

Confirmation bias. Poll numbers are swinging back to yes

trust me every time zach does anything remotely positive this year the reptile part of my fandom brain is gonna be smiling like Jack at the start of the Shining.

The rest of the time I'm coming at GarPax with the axe. (not literally).

[Jstock12]

He's just mad at your dumb ass front office for offering Zach his dumb ass contract that our dumb ass front office of course had to match. No hard feelings teddy brosevelt.

I'm not a Kings fan. Was just visiting their board.

So you took 1 fan's comments and attributed it to all of us

No, if you visit the thread on the Kings board, I was defending you guys. I know most of your board is very cool.

[TheSchmaranz]

Looks like Bulls can still get to 2 max spaces next year, but, they'd have to let Portis, Valentine, Grant, and Payne walk as well as find a deal that sends Felicio off with nothing in return.

Lemme go get the magic beans....

[Payt10]

I don’t think you’ve looked at any of the advanced stats if you thought last year derailed a good player’s career. He’s been very bad every single year of his career.

I literally just cited one of those advanced statistics to show you that he was, in fact, not horrible every year of his career. Prior to last year, he had made an improvement every year in shooting efficiency, which is obviously a big deal for somebody who's game is predicated on offense.

And even with that improvement in true shooting % he peaked at the 388th best player in the league in rpm.

That’s how bad every other part of his game is.

It's easy to make anybody look the way you want to perceive things when you only use one stat.

I'd venture to guess not a lot of 19 and 20 year old's who weren't top 5 picks turn out favorably in the RPM metric. Particularly those coming in to situations where the team is expected to be awful, like the Wolves.

[TheSchmaranz]

Look on the bright side, we could've given Kyle Anderson $40 million.

[SensiBull]

4/78 is 19.5 per year. They originally offered 18 per year. That looks like decent middle ground.

The league salary cap has just been set at $100MM. We just offered Zach Lavine 20% of the cost of a 15-man roster.

[madvillian]

Well sign portis 5 years 70 million, add smart for 3 years 30 and then anything else to try and get the 4th seed. I'm half serious.

[Kurt Heimlich]

So you are saying you have never seen wood? Strange...

Just to clarify, there is a colloquialism that goes, "Dumb as wood"
So, got it?

I just saw an opportunity to quote Curb and jumped on it!

[Jcool0]

It's simple.

Most casual fans saw Lavine as the main asset from the Butler trade.

Letting him walk can be construed as a poor PR move.

That's just not true.

Casual fans may see it that way.

Why? They saw him play last year. They see the centerpiece as Lauri.

[MGB8]

What is done is done.

We just have to hope he develops into the more athletic version of Rip Hamilton he could become, rather than takin* a Jamal Crawford, Dion Waiters trajectory.

I would have let him walk at this price, but the downside risk was that he blows up.

They had a chance to see him so I hope they are making the right call. But the mistakes on Felicio, and Doug in the draft before then, make me a heavy doubter.

[kodo]

What sort of injury protection outdoor there be?

Is there such a thing in contracts? Maybe minutes played or games played and incentives around d it?

Can someone shed light on this? Or, is it just an insurance clause?

We need details about this specific one, but it can be extreme.

Joel Embiid has "extremely complex" health clauses on his max.

The most extreme I remember was Nets Brook Lopez, if he was re-injured and performance suffered the Nets could pay him only 50% of his contract.

[TheGOATRises007]

I'm not a Kings fan. Was just visiting their board.

So you took 1 fan's comments and attributed it to all of us

No, if you visit the thread on the Kings board, I was defending you guys. I know most of your board is very cool.

Fair enough then

[chefo]

Now that it's official, here's an analogy. In venture/startup investing, paying $80M for Zach Lavine is known as a hockey-stick. That is to say, you're paying really good $ for a company that loses money every month, but through some magic or another skyrockets into profitability. BTW, in business, the odds of hockey-sticks working out are as follows:

1.) Beats expectations: 1/10
2.) Breaks even: 2/10
3.) (Almost) Complete loss 7/10

For this math to work out, the 1.) has to be a gargantuan success (like Facebook, Google, etc.). Anybody here think that Lavine will lead us to the promised land?

I often can't even fathom what goes inside the heads of some of these FOs... especially Vlade's. Because if it's a bluff, you're relying on the stupidity of your counter-party to bail you out, given that you just went all-in with a Queen high. If it's not--well somebody has to be the clown FO of the league, now that the Nets are under new management.

As somebody who deals with enterprises and $ for a living, the argument that 'it's just 20% of the cap, so no worries if it doesn't work out' sounds utterly preposterous. A player that is 20% of the cap that does not perform is a huge liability, not an asset. Good franchises spend money on proven difference makers. That's how they stay good.

As a Bulls fan, I hope this hockey-stick works out. It's just given how inept the FO has been in everything apart from drafting, I have my doubts. And, given that the offer came from the Kings, who have a history of complete and utter incompetence, that lowers the odds in my opinion.

[madvillian]

Look on the bright side, we could've given Kyle Anderson $40 million.

we could have had doug for 1/4 the cost.

[Calinks]

I remember the last time they had a young, super-athletic player coming off a torn ACL

And that's not even comparable either.

Rose was amazing before his torn ACL.

Lavine was literally the exact same player as he is now.

LaVine haven't improved his game in his 4 season's in NBA. He haven't improved his game during the time players should learn quicly. Why would anyone think he could improve his game in the future when he finally got paid huge money. What you saw will be best you will ever get from him (shooting will go nearer the Minnesota level, but that's all). It is nice to see someone is positive about him, but there are lots of players who are just happy to get to the nba and are not willing to do any true work to improve them selves and sadly I think LaVine belongs to this category.

The heck are you talking about? That is bull crap. He has steadily improved from rookie to when he hurt his ACL. When we started him over Kevin Matin in year 2 I thought Flip was crazy but LAvine was up to the task. His jumpshot alone got so much better. He didn't go from scrub to Kobe Bryant but to sit there and say he hasn't improved... come on son.