Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[Dresden]

What a terrible move.

[RememberLu]

I hope these people complaining about not having room for 2 max FA slots weren't the same people turning their nose up at rumors that Jimmy and Kyrie might want to team up somewhere. Who do you think is gonna come here? I'm not seeing all these max slot guys becoming available. We have room for one of them and that's plenty. Just get the right one

[DanTown8587]

This franchise has no plan. Rebuilding teams don't sign huge questionmarks to 4/78 deals and then claim they're rebuilding. You don't even know what kind of team you want to be but it's going to be one where Zach Lavine makes a lot of money.

[thxfrthmmrs]

I don't think the contract hampers us much at all, I don't understand why so many are freaking out. Who was gonna come here that won't come here now?

Well no one now.

Considering we only have space for 1 max fa. Can't get people that want to buddy up.

The point is that flexibility in the NBA is great. If the 2019 FA class is loaded, have the capacity to go after players. The worst that can happen is you miss out and reset. It's at least a plan, but in the meantime you internally develop your draft picks.

We might not need two max FA's. we might only need one if Lauri, Lavine, WCJ, Hutchison or some of these other guys grow into their ceilings. 45m in cap is a lot of money to throw around. And we've seen stars take less money to get into a good situation before, look at what Cousins just did.

None of those guys have ceiling as a top 10 player, i.e. Butler, Kyrie, Kawhi, etc. If you think they do, you are either an incredible optimist or Garpax apologist.

[Jcool0]

I hope these people complaining about not having room for 2 max FA slots weren't the same people turning their nose up at rumors that Jimmy and Kyrie might want to team up somewhere. Who do you think is gonna come here? I'm not seeing all these max slot guys becoming available. We have room for one of them and that's plenty. Just get the right one

They want the two max slots so they can complain next off season when the Bulls end up missing out on the big names.

[TheGOATRises007]

I hope these people complaining about not having room for 2 max FA slots weren't the same people turning their nose up at rumors that Jimmy and Kyrie might want to team up somewhere. Who do you think is gonna come here? I'm not seeing all these max slot guys becoming available. We have room for one of them and that's plenty. Just get the right one

Plenty to fully solidify ourselves in NBA hell.

Not bad enough to tank, but not good enough to make noise.

Middle level for life.

[Hugi Mancura]

Lauri and Carter are big men. It's basically impossible for star big men to salvage things. Even if you've got star bigs, you can still easily find yourself in the lottery or barely in the playoffs.

Joel Embiid & Anthony Davis might have something to say about that.

That's a stretch to suggest Lauri gets to that level

Don't really know about Embiid, but Davis mainly scores from assists from teams guards. It was something like 25% of his shots comes from post or iso plays. Majority of his shots are assisted, so even he needs his guards to score. If Davis, probably the best big in NBA, needs help wouldn't Bulls bigs need help too. Bigs are as good as their guards or atleast guards have big influence how good bigs will be. When playing with bigs Bulls can leave LaVine on the side line, but will they because he is now paid 20M, or will they try to force team to play through him. Bulls can easily lift LaVine's scoring to 20 points or higher on the price of their other young players development. But at least it would make this signing look better, but who cares if Carter and Lauri are busts.

[TheGOATRises007]

I hope these people complaining about not having room for 2 max FA slots weren't the same people turning their nose up at rumors that Jimmy and Kyrie might want to team up somewhere. Who do you think is gonna come here? I'm not seeing all these max slot guys becoming available. We have room for one of them and that's plenty. Just get the right one

They want the two max slots so they can complain next off season when the Bulls end up missing out on the big names.

Misses the point.

At least you could try and get 2 max players.

Now you can only get 1 and the chances of striking out are probably guaranteed.

Players no longer want to come alone.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I am trying to wrap my head around people being ok with offering him 18 mil. But completely outrageous for 19.5?

Its just semantics at that point of cost.

Saying you dont want Zach back would make more sense.

[TheSuzerain]

I hear you. Cap room for who though?

Carmelo. Wilson Chandler. Cap room is an asset that can be leveraged for picks. You'd think that would pique our interest since we're supposedly building through the draft (hint: we're not).

This is what I don't understand about your posts.There are two main points you continue to post about over and over and over again, simply presented with different wording.

One point is that we've steered away from building through the draft, and yet you continue to bash Zach as a player. Second, he is just a bad player who hasn't improved, if he is so bad as a player, doesn't he help the team continue to be bad? I'd say your two points you continue to hammer across comes across as extremely contradictory.

I think Lavine can be a quality 6th man. Been very consistent with that. Literally since draft night 2017. That would make him a lot better than absolute scrubs that I'd wish we'd fill out the roster with.

My 2 points are that Lavine is obviously not worth $20 million.

And that GarPax talked a lot of bull **** in that press conference after the Jimmy trade. They have failed utterly to build through the draft as they've failed utterly to gather valuable picks (via failed tanking and spurned opportunities to acquire more picks).

Every move this front office has made points to them not giving a damn about building a high-ceiling team. They want to return to the playoffs ASAP. Luckily, they've done a poor job at that too, so we'll still miss the playoffs which hopefully leads to GarPax losing their jobs.

[TheSuzerain]

Joel Embiid & Anthony Davis might have something to say about that.

That's a stretch to suggest Lauri gets to that level

Don't really know about Embiid, but Davis mainly scores from assists from teams guards. It was something like 25% of his shots comes from post or iso plays. Majority of his shots are assisted, so even he needs his guards to score. If Davis, probably the best big in NBA, needs help wouldn't Bulls bigs need help too. Bigs are as good as their guards or atleast guards have big influence how good bigs will be. When playing with bigs Bulls can leave LaVine on the side line, but will they because he is now paid 20M, or will they try to force team to play through him. Bulls can easily lift LaVine's scoring to 20 points or higher on the price of their other young players development. But at least it would make this signing look better, but who cares if Carter and Lauri are busts.

Embiid's offense is also only moderately impactful. Embiid's defense is exceptional; however, and that drives like 80% of his value. He's also a prodigy, so using him as an example is dumb.

[TheGOATRises007]

Carmelo. Wilson Chandler. Cap room is an asset that can be leveraged for picks. You'd think that would pique our interest since we're supposedly building through the draft (hint: we're not).

This is what I don't understand about your posts.There are two main points you continue to post about over and over and over again, simply presented with different wording.

One point is that we've steered away from building through the draft, and yet you continue to bash Zach as a player. Second, he is just a bad player who hasn't improved, if he is so bad as a player, doesn't he help the team continue to be bad? I'd say your two points you continue to hammer across comes across as extremely contradictory.

I think Lavine can be a quality 6th man. Been very consistent with that. Literally since draft night 2017. That would make him a lot better than absolute scrubs that I'd wish we'd fill out the roster with.

My 2 points are that Lavine is obviously not worth $20 million.

And that GarPax talked a lot of bull **** in that press conference after the Jimmy trade. They have failed utterly to build through the draft as they've failed utterly to gather valuable picks (via failed tanking and spurned opportunities to acquire more picks).

Every move this front office has made points to them not giving a damn about building a high-ceiling team. They want to return to the playoffs ASAP. Luckily, they've done a poor job at that too, so we'll still miss the playoffs which hopefully leads to GarPax losing their jobs.

It's always been about getting back to the playoffs ASAP.

They utterly failed last season with the worst tank job of all time.

And then have cemented their rebuild failure with this contract.

Can only hope after we likely don't make the playoffs next season, Reinsdorf gives them the axe.

[AKfanatic]

Looking through this thread...

[DanTown8587]

I hope these people complaining about not having room for 2 max FA slots weren't the same people turning their nose up at rumors that Jimmy and Kyrie might want to team up somewhere. Who do you think is gonna come here? I'm not seeing all these max slot guys becoming available. We have room for one of them and that's plenty. Just get the right one

They want the two max slots so they can complain next off season when the Bulls end up missing out on the big names.

The people the most angry tonight are not just the people who wanted to keep Jimmy nor are they guys who wanted Jimmy traded nor are they guys who wanted to see the FO sign guys in FO; the people the most angry tonight simply wanted to see the Bulls follow through with a plan and commit to it. The Jimmy trade was a classic "let's reset the franchise move" but there were enough smoke (resigning Felicio, trading #16 in the JB trade, selling #38) that made it appear the franchise wasn't fully rebuilding.

Tonight is confirmation that the franchise wasn't truly committed to rebuilding via the draft OR via max FA next summer but instead simply wanted Jimmy gone and now the Bulls are Zach Lavine's team.

[SixDemonBag]

Not worth the match. Sorry.

[weneeda2guard]

so where is this high iq, efficient scoring, defensive minded high usage player you all wish lavine would become?

oh wait, yea it was that jimmy butler character you all wanted to part with due to the price tag

so lets get this straight, when we do have the high iq, efficient defensive minded high usage player, we want him but dont want to pay him supermax, even when he earns it.

and then when we get a guy who might simply be a great scorer,but would cost considerably less than the jimmy butler, you dont want to pay them either

i guess we can sit be terrible get in the lottery and preserve our cap space until durant or harden or a guy of that caliber becomes available.

just have to hope a guy of that caliber will want to join a franchise that has been terrible for years and have no quality roster considering we kept allowing quality players walk because they werent superstars.

[holv03]

The people who are complaining about the Bulls matching Lavine 4 year 78M contract will be the same people cheering for him if he ends up being a star and taking us to the playoffs. Let's see how all this plays out first before complaining about the contract.

Bulls still have room for 2 MAX guys next off season and most likely they will end up landing 1 or none at all. Bulls are in a good position with good young players who have the potential to be all-stars.

[TheGOATRises007]

The people who are complaining about the Bulls matching Lavine 4 year 78M contract will be the same people cheering for him if he ends up being a star and taking us to the playoffs. Let's see how all this plays out first before complaining about the contract.

Bulls still have room for 2 MAX guys next off season and most likely they will end up landing 1 or none at all. Bulls are in a good position with good young players who have the potential to be all-stars.

We no longer have room for 2 max guys unless multiple players were moved(including Felicio and GL moving him).

[dumbell78]

Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.

[SHO'NUFF]

Almost $25 million less than Otto Porter deal.