Vlade goes Hinkie with cap space

[babyjax13]

I think LA needs to add Hart to that package and take back Shumpert instead of Randolph. #2 makes sense for Sacramento, but if I'm Denver I keep what is likely to be a lottery pick and stretch Faried or demand that it's Plumlee instead of Faried (and probably attack Hernangomez and Beasley to offset the extra year). I don't like the third one. You are going to have to pay Oubre + you'll be paying Mahimni. I'd want Washington's 2019 and 2021 picks.

[HartfordWhalers]

The less cap space there is the more value it will get.

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

[blind prophet]

I think LA needs to add Hart to that package and take back Shumpert instead of Randolph. #2 makes sense for Sacramento, but if I'm Denver I keep what is likely to be a lottery pick and stretch Faried or demand that it's Plumlee instead of Faried (and probably attack Hernangomez and Beasley to offset the extra year). I don't like the third one. You are going to have to pay Oubre + you'll be paying Mahimni. I'd want Washington's 2019 and 2021 picks.

Well I'd be happy to take those picks, but I'm not so sure Washington would pay such a steep price.

But I think all three teams involved in the trade would be willing to listen and offer up a few things potentially that the Kings should take advantage of.

[blind prophet]

The less cap space there is the more value it will get.

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

We paid the piper for that cap space at the start of FA when Hinkie swindled us.

It's true there may be some decline today compared to the start of things. But I do think the value for the Lakers, Nuggets, Washington still remains high for cap space.

[City of Trees]

Also Zbo can still play, Deng is rather useless.

To be fair Zbo plays zero defense nowadays

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[City of Trees]

I wasn't expecting Vlade to be ahead of the curve on anything, but eventually coming around to making the right decision would have been an improvement from past behavior.

The offer sheet to LaVine has crushed any hope that I had for the Kings to eventually start doing the right thing.

The less cap space there is the more value it will get. There are teams in the luxury that will pay the price to dump salary at some point between now and the deadline, and the Kings just forced the Bulls to overpay a guy that everybody has known they really wanted to keep.

Maybe so, but I am not used to the Kings doing strategic Big Picture things.

Historically Vlade has attacked FA pretty hard each year. Seems like every big name had a Kings report tied to them. God knows RealGM has fun with that every year.


This year FA has been different. Before today the Kings offered only 1 player a contract. Hezonja, on a buy low multi year deal. Hezonja opted for the 1yr prove it offer instead.

FWIW yesterday the Kings beat writer Jason Jones posted an article that said the Kings are focused on using cap space for trades.

Im just a nobody but if you ask me I'd say something is definitely different this off season.

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[LightTheBeam]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

You do realize by this same token the Lakers arent the only ones who want to dump salary?

More teams looking to dump than willing to take, that's a fact.

Also it's not even If the value is good or bad, I just have a serious issue as a fan helping the Lakers without bending them over first. We arent in the market of doing favors for #25 picks, regardless if the t&t board deems it good value or not.

[LightTheBeam]

The less cap space there is the more value it will get.

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

This really is incorrect. Your theory is that teams are only looking to dump players in order to have cap to use on other players immediately. That theory is incorrect. Some teams are looking to make dumps in order to free up cap space for next summer, and I anticipate even more teams are looking to dump salaries to get out of the tax.

You don't think okc pays to get off of melo? Or Houston pays to move Anderson? Lakers Deng, Portland (a ton of guys)..

It's like Denver trading Wilson Chandler to philly. That wasn't about targeting another guy, that was about reducing their tax bill.

[HartfordWhalers]

The less cap space there is the more value it will get.

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

This really is incorrect. Your theory is that teams are only looking to dump players in order to have cap to use on other players immediately. That theory is incorrect. Some teams are looking to make dumps in order to free up cap space for next summer, and I anticipate even more teams are looking to dump salaries to get out of the tax.

You don't think okc pays to get off of melo? Or Houston pays to move Anderson? Lakers Deng, Portland (a ton of guys)..

It's like Denver trading Wilson Chandler to philly. That wasn't about targeting another guy, that was about reducing their tax bill.

I don't really understand the mentally that can make you think that those teams weren't previously looking to dump contracts, as if that wasn't there previously. Demand for space has absolutely gone down, it is always higher before teams sign free agents than after.

[The Rebel]

The less cap space there is the more value it will get.

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

If you think that teams are done dumping salary than you should go look at transaction lists from the last 20 years. There are teams looking for a 3rd team to facilitate deals and there are teams that are looking to get out of the luxury tax up until the trade deadline, if you are the only team with cap space than you set the price and they either pay it or not.

Right now there are at least 6 teams in the luxury tax and many are still signing their players, teams like the Nuggets, Wizards, Thunder, and Raptors have all historically been known to avoid the luxury tax, it is not out of the question that one or two will pay to get out of it now.

We know that Kawhi will likely be traded, and from all reports coming out of LA are that they are talking to the Hawks to get cap space, we know that the Thunder are trying to dump Melo before they buy him out, and we know that the Nuggets reportedly still want to get under the tax. Cap space has as much value today as it did last week and as other teams fill that cap space it will only grow in value.

[The Rebel]

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

This really is incorrect. Your theory is that teams are only looking to dump players in order to have cap to use on other players immediately. That theory is incorrect. Some teams are looking to make dumps in order to free up cap space for next summer, and I anticipate even more teams are looking to dump salaries to get out of the tax.

You don't think okc pays to get off of melo? Or Houston pays to move Anderson? Lakers Deng, Portland (a ton of guys)..

It's like Denver trading Wilson Chandler to philly. That wasn't about targeting another guy, that was about reducing their tax bill.

I don't really understand the mentally that can make you think that those teams weren't previously looking to dump contracts, as if that wasn't there previously. Demand for space has absolutely gone down, it is always higher before teams sign free agents than after.

Based on what?

[HartfordWhalers]

I really didn’t think I needed to spell out that being available for cap dumps before and after free agency has more deals available than just being available after free agency.

[youngcrev]

I'm with Hartford on this one. I think demand has dipped more than supply. There's still teams out there that will be looking for salary dumps to avoid the tax bill, but I don't think those types of deals yield as much as teams that are looking for immediate cap space to add a free agent.

[the_process]

What would SAC want to take on Bayless? Gotta bunch of 2nds and young guys available.

[the_process]

ill take op offer for koufus...la doesnt need zbo and salary difference doesnt warrant 2 1st either but for koufus i would give you 2 1st as for that poster offering to take ingram or no dice, sac isnt the only team with cap space so dont go pushing take it or leave it offers, la can stretch deng and have more than enough for a max next yr

I know it's tough, but remember with Lebron those picks should be 20+

You still get around 6.5 million of space immediately.

Lakers project as an 8th seed right now. That’s a 16 or 17 pick. However, I agree that the Kings ought to hold out to completely destroy the Lakers in a Deng dump. Rival and all.

Ingram, Hart, and Deng for Shumpert. Or something close to that. Lakers in position to own FA 2019, Kings win a lopsided deal with a hated rival. Win-win IMO.

[MoneyTalks41890]

OKC out: Melo, Abrines, Ferg
OKC in: Lee, Thomas

NY out: Lee, Thomas, 2020 CHA 2nd, 2021 CHA 2nd
NY in: Temple, Abrines

SAC out: Temple
SAC in: Melo, Ferg, 2020 CHA 2nd, 2021 CHA 2nd

OKC stretches Lance Thomas

[LightTheBeam]

This could not be more wrong just on theory.


The whole thing about supply and demand is it involves both supply and demand. At this point the Kings have waited until there is no demand. The lack of supply would need to be even bigger than the lack of demand, and frankly it isn't at this point of year always.

It is funny because this came out the same time they did the opposite, and bid for a rfa. But waiting till now to auction cap space is suboptimal if that is the route you are going.

This really is incorrect. Your theory is that teams are only looking to dump players in order to have cap to use on other players immediately. That theory is incorrect. Some teams are looking to make dumps in order to free up cap space for next summer, and I anticipate even more teams are looking to dump salaries to get out of the tax.

You don't think okc pays to get off of melo? Or Houston pays to move Anderson? Lakers Deng, Portland (a ton of guys)..

It's like Denver trading Wilson Chandler to philly. That wasn't about targeting another guy, that was about reducing their tax bill.

I don't really understand the mentally that can make you think that those teams weren't previously looking to dump contracts, as if that wasn't there previously. Demand for space has absolutely gone down, it is always higher before teams sign free agents than after.

Or hes a situation. Denver calls philly and says we would like to trade Wilson chandler/2nd to you for cap space. And philly says we have our eye on a free agent or two, I'll get back to you shortly.

I dont understand the mentality of denying a reality we just watched. Many teams are still in financial issues. We haven't seen them clear that up yet, meaning there is still a large market for teams looking to dump salary and not many teams able to absorb that money.

[K_chile22]

I dont know that it would cost an unprotected 1st and a lotto protected 1st to shed just one year of salary. Seems like a drastic overpay for the Lakers.. now if it was pure capspace instead of ZBo, and it was part of a large Kawhi deal, it makes a lot more sense. But as is, seems like its crushing the Lakers

Agreed. 2 first for less than $25 in savings over two years is a lot

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[blind prophet]

OKC out: Melo, Abrines, Ferg
OKC in: Lee, Thomas

NY out: Lee, Thomas, 2020 CHA 2nd, 2021 CHA 2nd
NY in: Temple, Abrines

SAC out: Temple
SAC in: Melo, Ferg, 2020 CHA 2nd, 2021 CHA 2nd

OKC stretches Lance Thomas

We've got 5 seconds in Sacramento between the 2019 draft and 2020. 6 if you include 2021.

That doesn't really tempt.

[youngcrev]

What would SAC want to take on Bayless? Gotta bunch of 2nds and young guys available.

Not sure what purpose giving up assets to get rid of him would fill at this point unless it's part of a 3-way deal.