Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[MagicMarkkanen]

The only good thing about the contract is that it appears to have some protection against an injury:

"The offer sheet includes an exhibit that protects the team financially should LaVine suffer a serious injury to his surgically repaired left knee, league sources told ESPN."


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24023652/chicago-bulls-match-zach-lavine-78-million-offer-sheet-sacramento-kings

[BR0D1E86]

So...who the hell else is excited to have Lavine on the Bulls for the next 4 years?!?!

[League Circles]

I just hope a reporter asks Paxson:

"John, over 70% of the fanbase opposed matching this contract in a recent poll because they want to save the cap space to try to sign good players instead. What would you tell this strong majority of Bulls fans who opposed making this struggling player such a focus of such a bad team for the next 4 years?"

[chrispatrick]

I'm on the side that likes the lavine match....keep him.....who on the bulls can create their own shot???? I thought you needed players who could do that in the NBA maybe I'm wrong but zach lavine will prove alot of you wrong because he wants to be great he's not one of those players who's going to settle and at 23 he's going to make mistakes but what most of yall don't see is his hunger but he had this summer to get better lets judge him after that

Creating shots just for the heck of it isn’t very useful. LaVine didn’t prove capable of creating good shots.

He’s also so bad all other aspects of basketball that it’s difficult to envision him becoming an average player, as he’s incredibly one dimensional and not all that good at his one dimension.

[ChiTownHero1992]

This was a horrible decision...forever in mediocrity here we come...no cap space to do anything no good draft picks to do anything...tops we ever get in the Lavine/Lauri era will be a 5th seed mark my words...

[ralphisBullsFan]

I just hope a reporter asks Paxson:

"John, over 70% of the fanbase opposed matching this contract in a recent poll because they want to save the cap space to try to sign good players instead. What would you tell this strong majority of Bulls fans who opposed making this struggling player such a focus of such a bad team for the next 4 years?"

"We like our core"

[sco]

I went back and looked at some posts complaining about him at the time of the trade. Many folks' expectations then were that he'd be getting the max. So in that context, we are a little lucky that he didn't come back fully last year.

I forgot whose contract had a similar provision recently, but I remember hoping we could get something like that. If it is cancellable if he has a repeat injury in that knee, from a moneyball perspective, it is worth probably $4M per year to me. Does anyone know how these provisions work? It really could be difference between me hating and being ok with this contract.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

[Jax Teller]

LoL at people who fantasize the Bulls would sign 2 stars with bigger cap space next year. Wake up people, no top player with options is coming to the Chicago Bulls and this front office. I can’t believe after all this time there are some who are still drinking kool aid by the gallon.

Signing guys like Lavine are really the only options for this franchise in todays NBA. Free agency next season will pretty much come down to overpaying for another guy similar to Lavine or carrying the cap space forward again. Unless these babies we draft every year turn into stars quickly it going to be the same for each offseason. The only hope now is the east stinks so much you can become a factor with mediocre talent.

[coldfish]

This is kind of a watershed moment. Always in the past, when the FO made a bad decision they could defend it by saying "at the time, we didn't know . . . ". Some people could defend the Ben Wallace / Tyson Chandler summer because Chandler was coming off a bad season, etc.

Right now, in the moment, there is a tremendous amount of information pointing to this being a very bad idea:
- The market is saying he isn't worth it. The Kings are idiots and if you are following them, it isn't a good thing. No one else sniffed around him when they had money.
- His advanced stats say he isn't worth it. He isn't even a MLE level player when looked at this way.
- He isn't some smart, hard working guy that you think is going to build. Everything points to him being a complete moron.
- Watching him play is like fingernails on a chalkboard for a purist. He doesn't defend, he doesn't move well without the ball and he doesn't run an offense great. He creates poor shots for himself and makes them at a poor rate, in volume.
- The Bulls board poll says a lot. 70% of fans, right now in the moment, think this is a bad idea.
- The national media is also saying the same thing as the fans. Lots of basketball guys are saying the effect of . . . ewwwww.

$20m a year contracts to bad players matter. We have seen it just recently with Luol Deng to LA and Noah to NY. Those contracts were albatrosses months into their first season. IMHO, Zach is going to go the same way.

[Hangtime84]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Improved off-ball game and playmaking.

Reasonable improved team defense like Valentine reasonable.

[TheFinishSniper]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Positive advanced stats, stay healthy, make All-Star selection, make team better when he is on the court (which includes defense), improve playmaking, be 2nd option behind Lauri. Basically everything what he isnt.

Dont forget we just matched 20M per year offer over next 4 years to 23 year old version of Gerald Green.

[coldfish]

LoL at people who fantasize the Bulls would sign 2 stars with bigger cap space next year. Wake up people, no top player with options is coming to the Chicago Bulls and this front office. I can’t believe after all this time there are some who are still drinking kool aid by the gallon.

Signing guys like Lavine are really the only options for this franchise in todays NBA. Free agency next season will pretty much come down to overpaying for another guy similar to Lavine or carrying the cap space forward again. Unless these babies we draft every year turn into stars quickly it going to be the same for each offseason. The only hope now is the east stinks so much you can become a factor with mediocre talent.

I was the guy who created the 2019 plan thread, so this is obviously aimed at me.

My rebuttal: I never said that there was a good chance it would work. The hope was that Chicago would be one of the only teams with two max deals. If two guys wanted to pair up, Chicago could offer that as well as a bunch of young lottery picks to support them.

Lavine? Lavine isn't very good. He is a below average NBA player by most marks. Players like him are eminently replaceable. You are talking about a sub 15 PER, net negative guy. Players like that are a dime a dozen. So what if he can jump. Gerald Green switched teams 10 times or so doing pretty much the same stuff.

IMHO, the Bulls just gave $80m to the next Gerald Green.

[coldfish]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Positive advanced stats, stay healthy, make All-Star selection, make team better when he is on the court (which includes defense), improve playmaking, be 2nd option behind Lauri. Basically everything what he isnt.

Dont forget we just matched 20M per year offer over next 4 years to 23 year old version of Gerald Green.

I seriously was typing as you posted this. I didn't mean to rip off your Gerald Green comparison.

[mg]

Kings are gonna King..

With that said there's no way the Bulls should've matched. Yes he was part of the Butler trade last summer but have Laurie to show for it who could potentially become a star in his own right. Just a terrible mistake by the Bulls. These kinds of signings are why the EC is such a joke too. I expect it from badly run small market teams like the Kings but the EC big market teams such as the Bulls and Knicks are just as bad.

It's also a lesson to avoid acquiring players that are a year away from RFA.

[TheFinishSniper]

I seriously was typing as you posted this. I didn't mean to rip off your Gerald Green comparison.

Great minds think alike.

[coldfish]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Justify: 18PER 55%ts rpm of +1

I don't think Zach will hit any of those but if he does, I will gladly say I am completely wrong about him.

[RedBulls23]

I just hope a reporter asks Paxson:

"John, over 70% of the fanbase opposed matching this contract in a recent poll because they want to save the cap space to try to sign good players instead. What would you tell this strong majority of Bulls fans who opposed making this struggling player such a focus of such a bad team for the next 4 years?"

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This poll says people are happy, though they also did a poll asking if they should match and more people said no.

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Listening to local sports radio there seems to be a mixed reaction among fans, but most(if not all) of the hosts on espn 1000 at least were against matching.

[Red Larrivee]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Positive advanced stats, stay healthy, make All-Star selection, make team better when he is on the court (which includes defense), improve playmaking, be 2nd option behind Lauri. Basically everything what he isnt.

Dont forget we just matched 20M per year offer over next 4 years to 23 year old version of Gerald Green.

This contract is terrible, but the Gerald Green comparison is also terrible. 23 year old Gerald Green was out of the NBA. LaVine is not even close to that.

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[danzou]

Some fans are just hell bent on saying he is bad without any context. Then when he posts like a 22/5/5 season, people will throw some stupid metric out there to try and justify its still not good. smh

So the question to you fans is, what does Zach Lavine have to do this season to justify the contract in your eyes?

Positive advanced stats, stay healthy, make All-Star selection, make team better when he is on the court (which includes defense), improve playmaking, be 2nd option behind Lauri. Basically everything what he isnt.

Dont forget we just matched 20M per year offer over next 4 years to 23 year old version of Gerald Green.

I seriously was typing as you posted this. I didn't mean to rip off your Gerald Green comparison.

Gerald Green was the first thing that came to my mind yesterday as well.