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Re: The Offseason 

Post#81 » by texasholdem » Fri Jul 6, 2018 11:07 pm

Maybe he'll play well knowing he has a lot to prove in a contract year. We might lose out on LMAM though.

How many times is this that Houston and Melo have been linked in trade/FA talks? It's getting kinda sad.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#82 » by wco81 » Fri Jul 6, 2018 11:19 pm

That may be but no team will offer him more than $20 million again, though who knows, with all the cap space teams will have next season.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#83 » by BallerTalk » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:03 am

Mr. E wrote:Anyone else nervous about this Carmelo situation?


Only nervous that it took a whole season to come to fruition and hope they haven't lost some of the energy and anticipation they had working out together last summer.

Be wary of placing too much stock in the OKC experiment. :wink:
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#84 » by TMU » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:25 pm

The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.
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Post#85 » by texasholdem » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:50 pm

TMU wrote:The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.


I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#86 » by Mr. E » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:17 pm

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TMU wrote:The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.


I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.


I think that we may see a Capela trade at midseason if that is the case.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#87 » by RaoulDuke79 » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:39 pm

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texasholdem wrote:
TMU wrote:The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.


I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.


I think that we may see a Capela trade at midseason if that is the case.


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Re: The Offseason 

Post#88 » by texasholdem » Sat Jul 7, 2018 6:39 pm

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TMU wrote:The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.


I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.


I think that we may see a Capela trade at midseason if that is the case.


What value will Capela have at midseason though as a soon to be UFA?

Better to sign him to a contract for 3y/60m and trade him now for Jimmy Butler.

Capela played his best basketball against Minny in the playoffs so they might be interested in a twin towers scenario with KAT (or as an eventual replacement for KAT who doesn't seem to want to be there)

Rockets get a SF to replace Ariza who is good on both offense and defense (4x All D 2nd team for Butler)
to match up against Durant or LeBron in the west playoffs

Possible centers: Tarik Black, Montrezl Harrell, Zaza Pachulia, Greg Monroe, Mo Speights, Jahlil Okafor

SF: Butler, Green
PF: Tucker, Anderson
C: ?, Nene
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#89 » by Mr. E » Sat Jul 7, 2018 7:18 pm

Will the Wolves actually go for a Butler trade right now?

I know that he's not happy (reportedly), but I don't see a reason for them to move him now. He's still under contract for two more seasons, right?
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Post#90 » by texasholdem » Sat Jul 7, 2018 7:21 pm

Mr. E wrote:Will the Wolves actually go for a Butler trade right now?

I know that he's not happy (reportedly), but I don't see a reason for them to move him now. He's still under contract for two more seasons, right?


He has a player option in that final year and he rejected a $110m extension a few days ago.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#91 » by TMU » Sat Jul 7, 2018 7:28 pm

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Mr. E wrote:Will the Wolves actually go for a Butler trade right now?

I know that he's not happy (reportedly), but I don't see a reason for them to move him now. He's still under contract for two more seasons, right?


He has a player option in that final year and he rejected a $110m extension a few days ago.


I'd take Butler in a heartbeat. The guy is a competitor and would complement the Maestro and the Beard well.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#92 » by wco81 » Sat Jul 7, 2018 7:29 pm

texasholdem wrote:
Mr. E wrote:Will the Wolves actually go for a Butler trade right now?

I know that he's not happy (reportedly), but I don't see a reason for them to move him now. He's still under contract for two more seasons, right?


He has a player option in that final year and he rejected a $110m extension a few days ago.


Maybe he's eligible for more if he waits another season?

If the Rockets are on pace for another 60-win season and Capela is a big part of that, how do they trade him? Harden and Paul will revolt.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#93 » by Mr. E » Sun Jul 8, 2018 12:40 am

texasholdem wrote:
Mr. E wrote:Will the Wolves actually go for a Butler trade right now?

I know that he's not happy (reportedly), but I don't see a reason for them to move him now. He's still under contract for two more seasons, right?


He has a player option in that final year and he rejected a $110m extension a few days ago.


I did not know that. I haven't been following as closely to everything this offseason.

Good to know. Thank you!
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#94 » by BallerTalk » Sun Jul 8, 2018 6:58 pm

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Re: The Offseason 

Post#95 » by BallerTalk » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:01 pm

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TMU wrote:The market is drying up which means there's a great chance that we might retain Capela. My guess is that he will sign a 1-year deal and test the FA again next season.

As for Carmelo, I really want no part of him unless he signs for the bare mininum and ride the bench. A bigger priority than Melo is resigning LMAM and Gerald Green. This might be the most difficult off-season to date.


I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.


I think that we may see a Capela trade at midseason if that is the case.


IIRC if Capela takes the QO then he can't be traded without his consent.

Personally, I'd be surprised if he signed for anything less than a 4 year deal.
My (completely random and unscientific) guess is in the $60M-$70M range.

Regarding Melo, I think it's far from given that he should "ride the bench". In fact, considering the current roster I'd say the odds are strong that he would start.
As I said before, be wary of putting too much stock in the OKC experiment. The Rockets have an entirely different culture, climate, and coaching staff.
Melo would be stepping into a situation that is well established and a little more accomplished than the one he entered in Oklahoma. He'd have a more clearly defined role and be playing with players who will hold him accountable. He would also be playing with better playmakers than he's had most of his career.
Plus there's Chris Paul, whom Melo respects, to keep him on task.

Of course all of that guarantees nothing, but I think there are enough factors there to warrant the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#96 » by TMU » Sun Jul 8, 2018 7:16 pm

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Mr. E wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
I thought Green signed for the 1 year vet min already or agreed to.

Capela isn't going to be happy though and he won't be restricted next year so he might leave and rockets end up with nothing in return.


I think that we may see a Capela trade at midseason if that is the case.


IIRC if Capela takes the QO then he can't be traded without his consent.

Personally, I'd be surprised if he signed for anything less than a 4 year deal.
My (completely random and unscientific) guess is in the $60M-$70M range.

Regarding Melo, I think it's far from given that he should "ride the bench". In fact, considering the current roster I'd say the odds are strong that he would start.
As I said before, be wary of putting too much stock in the OKC experiment. The Rockets have an entirely different culture, climate, and coaching staff.
Melo would be stepping into a situation that is well established and a little more accomplished than the one he entered in Oklahoma. He'd have a more clearly defined role and be playing with players who will hold him accountable. He would also be playing with better playmakers than he's had most of his career.
Plus there's Chris Paul, whom Melo respects, to keep him on task.

Of course all of that guarantees nothing, but I think there are enough factors there to warrant the benefit of the doubt.


You mean we don't have Russell Westbrook? :wink:
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#97 » by RaoulDuke79 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:21 pm

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Post#98 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:25 pm

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Re: The Offseason 

Post#99 » by Mr. E » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:45 pm

RaoulDuke79 wrote:Luc to the Clippers...sigh.


With Trevor it felt like a "time to move on/last big payday" move.

This one is depressing. Maybe they are unsure about that shoulder.
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Re: The Offseason 

Post#100 » by MaxRider » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:49 pm

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