Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[K For Three]

Bottom line in this discussion is that Leonard quit on last year's Spurs team...Either he is a head case or worse...And the chances are that he would sign somewhere else....He has shown very little interest or desire to want to be a part of the Celtic tradition.... I really can't see why anyone here is so keen on getting him for just one year...and yes, I would have loved to get this guy a couple of seasons ago...but I'd rather keep what we already have in place...

The only way I see Danny doing a deal with the Spurs would be to swap Kyrie for him....And that only occurs if Ainge has the sense that Irving will be resigning somewhere else....The only way I see a deal going down at this point is for a player who is committed to play here long term...and has the balls to say so...That's the best way to get my endorsement on any summer block buster deal that has been mentioned so far...JMO

Nope, that isn't true at all. People need to read reload's tidbits more closely over time.

[ZeroTolerance]

Bottom line in this discussion is that Leonard quit on last year's Spurs team...Either he is a head case or worse...And the chances are that he would sign somewhere else....He has shown very little interest or desire to want to be a part of the Celtic tradition.... I really can't see why anyone here is so keen on getting him for just one year...and yes, I would have loved to get this guy a couple of seasons ago...but I'd rather keep what we already have in place...

The only way I see Danny doing a deal with the Spurs would be to swap Kyrie for him....And that only occurs if Ainge has the sense that Irving will be resigning somewhere else....The only way I see a deal going down at this point is for a player who is committed to play here long term...and has the balls to say so...That's the best way to get my endorsement on any summer block buster deal that has been mentioned so far...JMO

Nope, that isn't true at all. People need to read reload's tidbits more closely over time.

Then your guy needs to step up and make a commitment.....The best way to secure your place atop a Boston Garden rafter is to be loyal and bleed green....If you are not cut out for that, then the door is left open....Speak now or forever hold your peace....

[ermocrate]

Looks like the spurs wouldn't move if they don't get what they want. What they consider a fair package.

Celtics Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum

Sixers Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric

Lakers Brandon Ingram etc.

So they want a decent player and a bust from philly but more from the other teams, seems legit.

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

[kuclas]

So they want a decent player and a bust from philly but more from the other teams, seems legit.

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

[K For Three]

Bottom line in this discussion is that Leonard quit on last year's Spurs team...Either he is a head case or worse...And the chances are that he would sign somewhere else....He has shown very little interest or desire to want to be a part of the Celtic tradition.... I really can't see why anyone here is so keen on getting him for just one year...and yes, I would have loved to get this guy a couple of seasons ago...but I'd rather keep what we already have in place...

The only way I see Danny doing a deal with the Spurs would be to swap Kyrie for him....And that only occurs if Ainge has the sense that Irving will be resigning somewhere else....The only way I see a deal going down at this point is for a player who is committed to play here long term...and has the balls to say so...That's the best way to get my endorsement on any summer block buster deal that has been mentioned so far...JMO

Nope, that isn't true at all. People need to read reload's tidbits more closely over time.

Then your guy needs to step up and make a commitment.....The best way to secure your place atop a Boston Garden rafter is to be loyal and bleed green....If you are not cut out for that, then the door is left open....Speak now or forever hold your peace....

My guy is our guy. He is one of our best chances to win an NBA finals and he has been there and done that. So we all have to hope he avoids anything serious all season.

I honestly am not truly that worried about next offseason, I am more concerned about this season and hoping our key guys can ball out for the key run later.

If Irving helps us win a title, will go a lot farther in his legacy then any hoopla he can speak in the summer to dumb reporters.

One of the reasons I want Leonard and the major reason, is he would help us beat Golden State in a 7 game series.

[truth18]

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

They aren't including him to raise his potential trade value. Its a smart move by Brett.

It has nothing to do with his questionable on court play.

[ermocrate]

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

Some people would agree but Brown wasn’t acclaimed like the next Messiah like Fultz has been, everybody knew was a project so there’s really nothing to debate about.

[Valid]

Bottom line in this discussion is that Leonard quit on last year's Spurs team...Either he is a head case or worse...And the chances are that he would sign somewhere else....He has shown very little interest or desire to want to be a part of the Celtic tradition.... I really can't see why anyone here is so keen on getting him for just one year...and yes, I would have loved to get this guy a couple of seasons ago...but I'd rather keep what we already have in place...

The only way I see Danny doing a deal with the Spurs would be to swap Kyrie for him....And that only occurs if Ainge has the sense that Irving will be resigning somewhere else....The only way I see a deal going down at this point is for a player who is committed to play here long term...and has the balls to say so...That's the best way to get my endorsement on any summer block buster deal that has been mentioned so far...JMO

Nope, that isn't true at all. People need to read reload's tidbits more closely over time.

Then your guy needs to step up and make a commitment.....The best way to secure your place atop a Boston Garden rafter is to be loyal and bleed green....If you are not cut out for that, then the door is left open....Speak now or forever hold your peace....

Ah so you're saying he should either a.) sign an extension now and lose out on around $80 million, or b.) tell the whole world he is re-signing in Boston and lose all leverage in negotiations.

Gotchya.

[ZeroTolerance]

Nope, that isn't true at all. People need to read reload's tidbits more closely over time.

Then your guy needs to step up and make a commitment.....The best way to secure your place atop a Boston Garden rafter is to be loyal and bleed green....If you are not cut out for that, then the door is left open....Speak now or forever hold your peace....

Ah so you're saying he should either a.) sign an extension now and lose out on around $80 million, or b.) tell the whole world he is re-signing in Boston and lose all leverage in negotiations.

Gotchya.

Also saying that a couple of mill one way or another in today's market should be pretty meaningless stuff...When you get up into that sort of tax bracket, I would think that a stable situation with leadership qualities would mean more than a "few" extra dollars...That stuff is only important to agents and other lawyer types...If you want to carve out your own personal mark in the
history books, you want to be in a quality place and impact a successful organization...To those kinds of players making that kind of money, leverage is as meaningless as the extra money itself...That's really the difference between being a great player on a sh_tty team and being a Celtic great....

[Feed Your Head]

Then your guy needs to step up and make a commitment.....The best way to secure your place atop a Boston Garden rafter is to be loyal and bleed green....If you are not cut out for that, then the door is left open....Speak now or forever hold your peace....

Ah so you're saying he should either a.) sign an extension now and lose out on around $80 million, or b.) tell the whole world he is re-signing in Boston and lose all leverage in negotiations.

Gotchya.

Also saying that a couple of mill one way or another in today's market should be pretty meaningless stuff...When you get up into that sort of tax bracket, I would think that a stable situation with leadership qualities would mean more than a "few" extra dollars...That stuff is only important to agents and other lawyer types...If you want to carve out your own personal mark in the
history books, you want to be in a quality place and impact a successful organization...To those kinds of players making that kind of money, leverage is as meaningless as the extra money itself...That's really the difference between being a great player on a sh_tty team and being a Celtic great....

ITS EIGHTY MILLION MORE DOLLARS. Holy **** man just stop.

[K For Three]

Is it really too much to ask for to get a big 4 of Irving/Leonard/Horford/Tatum?

[K For Three]

Is it really too much to ask for to get a big 4 of Irving/Leonard/Horford/Tatum?

Sorry, forgot Hayward. 5.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

Holy **** are sixers fans insecure.

No one cares about Fultz. He sucked last year. His trainer admitted he had the yips and that he basically forgot how to shoot. Stop trying to hype him here via false equivalences— no one cares.

[chrisab123]

Sixers aren’t selling low on Fultz. That’s why they aren’t including him. It’s very hard to give up on such a high pick who shown he can beat players off the dribble. Fultz in limited time averaged 7 points/4 rebounds/3 assist in 18 minutes.

Ingram was completely lost his 1st season. He averaged l like 9.5 points 3 rebounds 2 assists on 28 minutes of play

Brown averaged 6 points 1 assist 3 rebounds in his first season playing 17 minutes.

Will see how Fultz does the second year.

Many Celtics fans were clearly frustrated with Brown his first season. He fell out of the rotation for a bit as well. And he barely played against the bulls after they went down 0-2 Remember that?

Still he hasn’t shown he can ball at high levels so for now it’s a “Bust level” being the first overall pick. The story is full of players who underplayed the first year and the got better and is full of players who underplayed the first year and continue that trend for their entire career. You just can’t “assume” that because Brown and Ingram got better automatically Fultz will, so right now they are far apart.

So Boston fans would agree brown was a bust after his 1st year?

And Fultz has shown he can take players off the dribble and to the rim.

But he hasn’t shown that he can hit a 5 foot jumper.

[robdog_5]

Wow at this conversation. Fultz could be really good. Or he litteraly could flame out of the NBA in 2 years. If he can't figure his shot out it will be hard to play. Brown at worst will be a solid wing. But he like Fultz has all star potential. Brown has proven more and is closer to his potential but both can be good. My only thing with Fultz is he is a player whose talents fit best with him having the ball. But so does Ben Simmons. How does Fultz with at best a revamped unproven shot excel if Simmons and he are together with little threat to shoot. Spacing is poor and clunky

[PierceFan4ever]

Fultz is a bust Sixers fans can cry about and make excuses all they want but the dude is mentally fragile and can’t shoot. What’s worse the Sixers are giving fake excuses to why he can’t play in summer league of all places so it doesn’t discourage him lmao. Don’t compare this kid to Jaylen Brown

[Asian Celtic]

We need one of them Woj bombs.

A woj bomb on the Celtics. Danny counters with

[kuclas]

Fultz is a bust Sixers fans can cry about and make excuses all they want but the dude is mentally fragile and can’t shoot. What’s worse the Sixers are giving fake excuses to why he can’t play in summer league of all places so it doesn’t discourage him lmao. Don’t compare this kid to Jaylen Brown

The point of the thread is what it will take to get Leonard to the Celtics.

Clearly ainge isn’t willing to give up any real assets. Spurs do not need rozier and do not consider rozier and or sac (likely anywhere between 3-10 /Memphis 2019 pick (which won’t convey if it’s 8th or better)

So what ainge is likely is offering is nothing spurs want.

So ainge has drawn a line and won’t trade brown or whoever spurs want.

Just move on.

[SMTBSI]

Fultz is a bust Sixers fans can cry about and make excuses all they want but the dude is mentally fragile and can’t shoot. What’s worse the Sixers are giving fake excuses to why he can’t play in summer league of all places so it doesn’t discourage him lmao. Don’t compare this kid to Jaylen Brown

The point of the thread is what it will take to get Leonard to the Celtics.

Clearly ainge isn’t willing to give up any real assets. Spurs do not need rozier and do not consider rozier and or sac (likely anywhere between 3-10 /Memphis 2019 pick (which won’t convey if it’s 8th or better)

So what ainge is likely is offering is nothing spurs want.

So ainge has drawn a line and won’t trade brown or whoever spurs want.

Just move on.

With a few vocal exceptions, we have. Sorry, but you're not telling us anything we don't know.

[Tai]

Fultz is a bust Sixers fans can cry about and make excuses all they want but the dude is mentally fragile and can’t shoot. What’s worse the Sixers are giving fake excuses to why he can’t play in summer league of all places so it doesn’t discourage him lmao. Don’t compare this kid to Jaylen Brown

The point of the thread is what it will take to get Leonard to the Celtics.

Clearly ainge isn’t willing to give up any real assets. Spurs do not need rozier and do not consider rozier and or sac (likely anywhere between 3-10 /Memphis 2019 pick (which won’t convey if it’s 8th or better)

So what ainge is likely is offering is nothing spurs want.

So ainge has drawn a line and won’t trade brown or whoever spurs want.

Just move on.

Why would the Spurs not consider the Kings pick? I mean if it just took Brown, Rozier, filler and the Memphis 2019 pick then count me in, but I honestly doubt that'll be it.

I'm not sure if Danny's necessarily drawn a line, but of course the offer won't be as good as long as Kawhi allegedly won't even consider Boston as a long-term option.