Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan

[Catledge]

there is lots of negativity by a lot of us surrounding this trade, but I just don't understand why? The risk response seems to be "this is a nothing trade... I give up". if it's low profile like-for-like trade with us getting another asset, why would this be upsetting? if we say "this doesn't move the needle" then why does this make is angry?

The problem is that we haven't moved the needle in either direction. If we're going to go forward this season with the worst PG rotation in the league then we need to trade Vuc, Ross, etc and full out tank. With everything that Clifford has said though, this team is going to be pushing for the playoffs. With this atrocious point guard rotation, they will be exactly where Clifford's Charlotte teams have been the last few years, just outside the 8th seed in the 35-37 win range. That is worst case scenario, and these trades signal that that is exactly what we are going to do which is what has people worried.

Things still could change, but Woj made it sound in his article that that is the direction we were pushing for.

I think that's all true, but it's not really a function of this specific trade. And it's not like Biz was likely to be a desirable asset in another trade.

We went from having an overpriced player who wasn't going to play to having a different overpriced player who isn't going to play plus a project point guard. That's it. All of that other stuff would have been true regardless of this trade.

[The Effect]

there is lots of negativity by a lot of us surrounding this trade, but I just don't understand why? The risk response seems to be "this is a nothing trade... I give up". if it's low profile like-for-like trade with us getting another asset, why would this be upsetting? if we say "this doesn't move the needle" then why does this make is angry?

The problem is that we haven't moved the needle in either direction. If we're going to go forward this season with the worst PG rotation in the league then we need to trade Vuc, Ross, etc and full out tank. With everything that Clifford has said though, this team is going to be pushing for the playoffs. With this atrocious point guard rotation, they will be exactly where Clifford's Charlotte teams have been the last few years, just outside the 8th seed in the 35-37 win range. That is worst case scenario, and these trades signal that that is exactly what we are going to do which is what has people worried.

Things still could change, but Woj made it sound in his article that that is the direction we were pushing for.

Just curious, who were you guys expecting in a trade or even FA?

After Tyreke didnt sign here (wonder if we ever even called him?), the PG market was dead, with IT being the only big name, big time scoring PG we could get, and when that didnt happen, i dont think there was alot out there for us. Lets be honest, we dont have the assets to go out and trade for a Dame Lillard, so who would we be targetting? Kemba? sure, but jordan wasnt gonna give him away for expiring deals. Take kemba off that team and say replace biyombo with Vuc, and thats a 20 win team if they are lucky.
C - Vuc
PF - Kaminskey\marvin williams
SF - Batum
SG - Monk
PG - Tony Parker?

Sorry but no way jordan does that

So who else was out there

I personally looked at depth charts and saw what was available and knew that if we didnt draft a PG in the 1st, we were gonna have to take a chance on a young PG buried on someones depth chart, and thats why Grant was my top realistic option (jordan clarkson being the other). There really wasnt much available in terms of back up PGs that teams would be willing to give up.

Now who knows, maybe he breaks out and we have our long term guy? Maybe he sucks and we are right back in the same spot next year needing a PG (unless briscoe breaks out), so really, it wasa a no-lose situation considering grant was free (mosgov for biyombo is a wash in every way possible)

[MagicMadness]

Well, if we were going to move Biz, I guess this is about the best we can do.

Just buyout/waive/stretch/whatever you have to do to get Mozgov out of here, and let's officially put this dumb chapter behind us.

As for the PG situation? We've got to have about the worst PG depth in the league. Isaiah Thomas could've drastically changed that (potentially, at least), but oh well.

[PrimeThyme]

there is lots of negativity by a lot of us surrounding this trade, but I just don't understand why? The risk response seems to be "this is a nothing trade... I give up". if it's low profile like-for-like trade with us getting another asset, why would this be upsetting? if we say "this doesn't move the needle" then why does this make is angry?

The problem is that we haven't moved the needle in either direction. If we're going to go forward this season with the worst PG rotation in the league then we need to trade Vuc, Ross, etc and full out tank. With everything that Clifford has said though, this team is going to be pushing for the playoffs. With this atrocious point guard rotation, they will be exactly where Clifford's Charlotte teams have been the last few years, just outside the 8th seed in the 35-37 win range. That is worst case scenario, and these trades signal that that is exactly what we are going to do which is what has people worried.

Things still could change, but Woj made it sound in his article that that is the direction we were pushing for.

I think that's all true, but it's not really a function of this specific trade. And it's not like Biz was likely to be a desirable asset in another trade.

We went from having an overpriced player who wasn't going to play to having a different overpriced player who isn't going to play plus a project point guard. That's it. All of that other stuff would have been true regardless of this trade.

This trade locks in DJ at the starting PG position imo. It also confirms alot of the fears I had with some of Clifford's comments about our roster and the injuries we had last year. I think we will be starting next season with the same SL which is what makes the outcome of this trade much more than just what it appears on the surface. I hope to be wrong though.

[UCF]

Nah, no way should they cut him with three years left. Goal should be to do deals like this that reduce the cap burden bit by bit.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Vuc for a guard next? Maybe they saw enough from Birch to be 2nd and think Mozgov would be ok with 10-13 spot minutes?




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[thelead]

Nah, no way should they cut him with three years left. Goal should be to do deals like this that reduce the cap burden bit by bit.

Who has 3 years left? Mozgov’s deal runs through this season and next, just like Biz’s contract.

[KillMonger]

there is lots of negativity by a lot of us surrounding this trade, but I just don't understand why? The risk response seems to be "this is a nothing trade... I give up". if it's low profile like-for-like trade with us getting another asset, why would this be upsetting? if we say "this doesn't move the needle" then why does this make is angry?

The problem is that we haven't moved the needle in either direction. If we're going to go forward this season with the worst PG rotation in the league then we need to trade Vuc, Ross, etc and full out tank. With everything that Clifford has said though, this team is going to be pushing for the playoffs. With this atrocious point guard rotation, they will be exactly where Clifford's Charlotte teams have been the last few years, just outside the 8th seed in the 35-37 win range. That is worst case scenario, and these trades signal that that is exactly what we are going to do which is what has people worried.

Things still could change, but Woj made it sound in his article that that is the direction we were pushing for.

I think that's all true, but it's not really a function of this specific trade. And it's not like Biz was likely to be a desirable asset in another trade.

We went from having an overpriced player who wasn't going to play to having a different overpriced player who isn't going to play plus a project point guard. That's it. All of that other stuff would have been true regardless of this trade.

Project? Isn't Grant like 26 years old? He is what he is at this point

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[magicfan4life88]

I love how no matter what yal find something to complain about, none of thought we could get rid of Biz and actually save money without using a first round pick or trading a valuable asset to move him and we did it, no one thought we could win a Biz trade and we did, no one thought we could trade viz and get someone young with potential and we did, not at all saying he will be a stud but he is still young, that is all

[king_kuffz]

This is what I would say to those bitching about us aquiring Grant right now, is to look at the big picture...at this point it looks like the staff is just trying to build the best roster that they can from what is available to them right now... it looks like they want to be able to match up with any team in the league at least stylistically and i will say ths if you look at the point guards and what they provide, DJ Augistine- pace/shooting, Jerian Grant- big body/athleticism/IQ, Isaiah Briscoe- defense/tenacity/ball handling with shooting upside distributing and IQ upside, it seems as though they are making sure they can match upand compete and looking at it from a combination standpoint... I have to say, I aint mad at it...

[rcklsscognition]

I am a little curious why Welham would want their newest rookie possibly being taught things by Mozgov. Has anyone looked at his stats? How did he get a contract?

[Catledge]

The problem is that we haven't moved the needle in either direction. If we're going to go forward this season with the worst PG rotation in the league then we need to trade Vuc, Ross, etc and full out tank. With everything that Clifford has said though, this team is going to be pushing for the playoffs. With this atrocious point guard rotation, they will be exactly where Clifford's Charlotte teams have been the last few years, just outside the 8th seed in the 35-37 win range. That is worst case scenario, and these trades signal that that is exactly what we are going to do which is what has people worried.

Things still could change, but Woj made it sound in his article that that is the direction we were pushing for.

I think that's all true, but it's not really a function of this specific trade. And it's not like Biz was likely to be a desirable asset in another trade.

We went from having an overpriced player who wasn't going to play to having a different overpriced player who isn't going to play plus a project point guard. That's it. All of that other stuff would have been true regardless of this trade.

This trade locks in DJ at the starting PG position imo. It also confirms alot of the fears I had with some of Clifford's comments about our roster and the injuries we had last year. I think we will be starting next season with the same SL which is what makes the outcome of this trade much more than just what it appears on the surface. I hope to be wrong though.

I think there is a real good chance that your fears about our starting lineup and Clifford's approach are true. I just don't think this trade proves them in any way.

I don't see how adding Grant stops us from signing IT or Smart or any other pg. There may be other things that are stopping us, but it's not because we have Grant and don't have Biz.

[gov1718]

Jarien is Harvey Grant’s son and Horace Grant’s nephew. Bloodlines.


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[UCF]

Nah, no way should they cut him with three years left. Goal should be to do deals like this that reduce the cap burden bit by bit.

Who has 3 years left? Mozgov’s deal runs through this season and next, just like Biz’s contract.

I stand corrected. Site I used still has last year’s #. Even more reason not to cut him. After next year his expiring deal will have value.

[magicfan4life88]

I am a little curious why Welham would want their newest rookie possibly being taught things by Mozgov. Has anyone looked at his stats? How did he get a contract?

The fact that you truly believe he was brought in to teach the rookie is just asinine

[woosah]

Jarien is Harvey Grant’s son and Horace Grant’s nephew. Bloodlines.


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Good friends with Vic too. #connectionsthatmeannothing

[Audi]

Pretty much.

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This trade is more like that awkward middle school dance where the boys and girls are sitting on opposite sides on the dance floor with nothing happening.

Orl, Chi, and Cha are the teachers starting to creepy dance in the middle of it all in hopes of getting something started.

[tiderulz]

Nah, no way should they cut him with three years left. Goal should be to do deals like this that reduce the cap burden bit by bit.

Who has 3 years left? Mozgov’s deal runs through this season and next, just like Biz’s contract.

I stand corrected. Site I used still has last year’s #. Even more reason not to cut him. After next year his expiring deal will have value.

what value did this past years expiring contracts get anyone?

[gov1718]

Idk man I feel like something else is going down, I’ve been wrong before tho.

I still think Magic will be in a trade as third team for Lakers getting Kawhi Leonard. Like Ingram ,Kuzma ,Ross to San Antonio/ Ball and Deng to Magic, Kawhi, Vucevic to Lakers.


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[fendilim]

Biz shooting those midrange jumpers were probably leaked by the Magic to increase his value.