Kings Off-Season

[BoogieTime]

Counter arguement here is Paker can create for himself. Capela relies on others score.

Parker- Offense
Caplea- Defense

Which route to go?

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One has injury issues and wasn’t a statistically good player last year

One couldnt score and was useless in game 7 during the playoffs.

The other couldnt stop the opposing team in the playoffs and found himself on the bench.


Your correct answer: Neither player is worth what Sac offered Lavine.



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So based off one game?

That’s around what they will have to pay him to ink him to the Kings and the Rockets not match

I’d rather pay a for sure good starter than a bunch of question marks or draft picks

Kings won’t be signing anyone better soon, it’s by luck no one else has cap now

[City of Trees]

One has injury issues and wasn’t a statistically good player last year

One couldnt score and was useless in game 7 during the playoffs.

The other couldnt stop the opposing team in the playoffs and found himself on the bench.


Your correct answer: Neither player is worth what Sac offered Lavine.



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So based off one game?

That’s around what they will have to pay him to ink him to the Kings and the Rockets not match

I’d rather pay a for sure good starter than a bunch of question marks or draft picks

Kings won’t be signing anyone better soon, it’s by luck no one else has cap now

Both are flawed players.

Capela is the better rounded of the two but he is going to be overpaid for the services he provides. Much of his offensive production was a direct result of CP3 and Harden.

I dont want to argue over Capela and Parker because both arent worth our time



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[SacTown Kings]

I'm not giving Capela $20M.

Rockets valuation isnt that far off IMO.

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Yeah but that’s the Rockets. Kings gotta overpay (Cali taxes and well it’s the kings). I’d love to get him for cheaper but hell if we were going to offer lavine who is coming off a major injury 20 mil why not Capela???

Offsetting State income tax puts his salary around $15.3M. Your overpay puts him at $16-17m.


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You still gotta factor in this is sacramento we are talking about. We will have to overpay for anyone decent. If the kings went around offering players what they are worth we won’t get anyone (which isn’t necessarily bad this year).

[Call Me Geoff]

Give Capela the deal offered to Lavine. Maybe offer WCS to Houston in a sign and trade to soften the blow. Capela is a defensive anchor, good rebounder and rim protector that has the ability to switch defensively. He’d actually fit well with Bagley and Giles. The last big FA signing the kings made was also a C, Vlade Divac. I would have zero issue signing Capela to a Lavine like offer.

[City of Trees]

Yeah but that’s the Rockets. Kings gotta overpay (Cali taxes and well it’s the kings). I’d love to get him for cheaper but hell if we were going to offer lavine who is coming off a major injury 20 mil why not Capela???

Offsetting State income tax puts his salary around $15.3M. Your overpay puts him at $16-17m.


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You still gotta factor in this is sacramento we are talking about. We will have to overpay for anyone decent. If the kings went around offering players what they are worth we won’t get anyone (which isn’t necessarily bad this year).

Btw deandre Jordan can’t create his own shot nor shoot 3s yet he’s gettin 23 mil. 20 mil isn’t that bad for Capela.

Again... DeAndre was a product of CP3.

Is Fox ready to make his big one of the best in the league?



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[SacTown Kings]

What does Paul have to do w/Jordan’s defense? Nobody is after Jordan for his offense.

[BoogieTime]

Vlade’s pride won’t allow him to move on from WCS, so I’m not hopeful

[SacTown Kings]

Vlade’s pride won’t allow him to move on from WCS, so I’m not hopeful

Vlade basically cut papa. I don’t think he holds onto WCS because of pride.

[City of Trees]

Vlade’s pride won’t allow him to move on from WCS, so I’m not hopeful

Vlade basically cut papa. I don’t think he holds onto WCS because of pride.

Agreed.

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[City of Trees]

What does Paul have to do w/Jordan’s defense? Nobody is after Jordan for his offense.

Lob City is Jordan's rise to fame which lead to his big extension (3rd contract).

Houston's valuation of Capela aligns with Jordan's stats leading up to his second contract. Capela was slightly more productive so it would make sense Houston would value at $13.5M

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[rpa]

Interesting. I would think they may just let him walk with the depth they have and irving needing a new contract. I dont think I'd feel comfortable with smart making 15mil per but...

If he was an UFA they probably would let him walk. In fact, if he takes the QO he's 100% gone next summer (with so many teams having space). But since he's a RFA in a summer with next to no one having space except the dumbest teams in the league the Celtics are just fine riding it out knowing that the worst case is he takes the QO and the best case is he accepts their reasonable offer of 11-13/year.

As for Smart @ $15mil, here's why I think he's worth that (or maybe more):
1) His size and length allow him to defend multiple positions (arguably out to the 3--especially if a team goes small)
2) He's been a very good defender for all 4 years in the league. RPM has him ranked (for his position) 6th, 6th, 12th, 7th. RAPM has him as the 31st best defender across ALL positions last year.
3) As the Celtics board pointed out, despite being a poor shooter Smart is still a positive offensive player (I believe the stat was that he was one of only 5 Celtics with a positive on/off offensive plus minus last year.
4) His motor is insane and other players hate to play against him. He's the perfect wing compliment to what Giles can be.
5) From a value perspective you really have to ask yourself whether Smart is more value than these 2 things:
a) A mid-late first rounder in the 2015 draft (the likely payoff for a salary dump)
b) More cap space next year (when something like half the league will have a max spot open)

[SacKingZZZ]

I’m down to offer Capela $15-16 Million per year. That’s my max. Parker is the same, but I personally love Parker’s game. I’d rather go after Parker first because he’s less likely to get matched and we actually have a shot at him. I’d offer him $45 Million over 3 years with a team option on the third year. That gives us an out when Fox and Giles come up for extensions.

I think Capela is worth more than Parker. Parker plays no D at all.

Counter arguement here is Paker can create for himself. Capela relies on others score.

Parker- Offense
Caplea- Defense

Which route to go?

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The Kings need star potential, not role playing bigs. Not yet at least. As you said, isn't Capela the same player that sat in favor of shooting in the playoffs? Just sayin' folks.

[frenky ff]

I don't really know if any of this fits the cap but here are my thoughts:

What if the Lakers want Capela badly, which i think they do, they have to get rid of Deng first, so offer them something like Buddy and Kosta for Ingram and Deng. Thats more than fair for the Lakers, they basically do Ingram for Capela and Hield minus some cap space and Buddy is a better fit next to Lebron than Ingram.
For the Kings, we really are in need of a star player which i think Ingram can be plus he fills our hole at SF spot. Although i like Buddy i think Ingram has a much higher ceiling and is like 4-5 years younger. Young core of Fox, Ingram, Bagley and Giles can be something special. Fill the hole at the SG offering what is left of the cap space to Smart maybe? Idk if 3/39 fits the cap?

Fox/Smart
Bogi/Smart
Ingram/Jackson
Bagley/Zach
WCS/Giles

Looks fun

[LightTheBeam]

So rodney hood huh guys? Not sure I like that to be honest. Is he really more capable guarding the 3 than bogdan? Anything more than 3/30 is an overpay to me. 1 dimensional bad attitude player. I liked him in Utah but his time in Cleveland truly rubbed me the wrong way.

[SacTown Kings]

So rodney hood huh guys? Not sure I like that to be honest. Is he really more capable guarding the 3 than bogdan? Anything more than 3/30 is an overpay to me. 1 dimensional bad attitude player. I liked him in Utah but his time in Cleveland truly rubbed me the wrong way.

I think he is more capable guarding the 3 than bogdon but that’s not saying much. Also Hood would be our best sf, but again that’s not saying much. Hood makes us a lil better, but that’s not saying much.

[City of Trees]

So rodney hood huh guys? Not sure I like that to be honest. Is he really more capable guarding the 3 than bogdan? Anything more than 3/30 is an overpay to me. 1 dimensional bad attitude player. I liked him in Utah but his time in Cleveland truly rubbed me the wrong way.

I think he is more capable guarding the 3 than bogdon but that’s not saying much. Also Hood would be our best sf, but again that’s not saying much. Hood makes us a lil better, but that’s not saying much.

I dont know Much about Hood. I would agree with you here....so I guess the question is, is Hood a better option than Buddy at the 3? If no then why in the hell would we sign Hood?

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[JSrose115]

Either way you look at it, whether we go in next year with the same players plus Bagley/Giles and the loss of VC, we are still looking at another losing season with no 2019 draft pick to rely on. I think I would gamble with the addition of Hood, what is there to lose? lol. Plus people are talking about the FA class next season. You do know realistically we are only able to overpay and attract low to mid tier players at best to come here. The only way I see us gaining a superstar is waiting a few years for one of our guys to develop or trade for one.

[codydaze]

I don't really know if any of this fits the cap but here are my thoughts:

What if the Lakers want Capela badly, which i think they do, they have to get rid of Deng first, so offer them something like Buddy and Kosta for Ingram and Deng. Thats more than fair for the Lakers, they basically do Ingram for Capela and Hield minus some cap space and Buddy is a better fit next to Lebron than Ingram.
For the Kings, we really are in need of a star player which i think Ingram can be plus he fills our hole at SF spot. Although i like Buddy i think Ingram has a much higher ceiling and is like 4-5 years younger. Young core of Fox, Ingram, Bagley and Giles can be something special. Fill the hole at the SG offering what is left of the cap space to Smart maybe? Idk if 3/39 fits the cap?

Fox/Smart
Bogi/Smart
Ingram/Jackson
Bagley/Zach
WCS/Giles

Looks fun

I'm not giving up Buddy in a deal where we eat Deng's contract.

[LightTheBeam]

So rodney hood huh guys? Not sure I like that to be honest. Is he really more capable guarding the 3 than bogdan? Anything more than 3/30 is an overpay to me. 1 dimensional bad attitude player. I liked him in Utah but his time in Cleveland truly rubbed me the wrong way.

I think he is more capable guarding the 3 than bogdon but that’s not saying much. Also Hood would be our best sf, but again that’s not saying much. Hood makes us a lil better, but that’s not saying much.

I dont know Much about Hood. I would agree with you here....so I guess the question is, is Hood a better option than Buddy at the 3? If no then why in the hell would we sign Hood?

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Hood is a piss poor defender and that was on a team where Gordon Hayward was an average defender. If Buddy puts up better defensive advanced stats on Sacramento than Hood does on Utah, I have absolutely no faith in Hood coming to Sacramento and being anything other than terrible on that end.

Compare Smart to Hood and once you get past the fact that Hood is 4 inches taller the answer for our defensive/playmaking needs seem obvious.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoodro01.html

[KF10]

I rather play Shump at the 3 than to pay anything for Hood.