2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[grumpysaddle]

Gambo is saying that the Suns are trying to create aspot on the roster with a trade
(I don't get why they need to create a roster spot - the trade would bring back a a player but oh well..)

Gambo is saying Chriss was told to stay away from summer league as he was not in shape

Gambo thinks they need a true PF.

WHAT??

Does dude think he’s set for life with 8 mil (pre-taxes)?

You know if Gambo was wrong about this someone would call him out for being wrong. That’s a damning report on Chriss if true.

I'd be set for like with 8 mil (pre-taxes). Hell, I'd probably be set for life with 1 mil, post taxes. Just be smart with your money.

[LukasBMW]

Gambo is saying that the Suns are trying to create aspot on the roster with a trade
(I don't get why they need to create a roster spot - the trade would bring back a a player but oh well..)

Gambo is saying Chriss was told to stay away from summer league as he was not in shape

Gambo thinks they need a true PF.

WHAT??

Does dude think he’s set for life with 8 mil (pre-taxes)?

You know if Gambo was wrong about this someone would call him out for being wrong. That’s a damning report on Chriss if true.

Check the source....Gambo is a turd...and Chriss looked to be in great shape recently. (????)

But...if this is true:

1. WTF @ Chriss!!!! Amazing that he can't get his **** together!!! All that talent and no motivation!

2. Why the **** did we give Ariza $15 mil this year to be our starting 4 if we want to pick up a "TRUE" 4 via trade?

Hopefully Gambo is wrong on both parts....otherwise...WTF x 100!

[BobbieL]

Gambo is saying that the Suns are trying to create aspot on the roster with a trade
(I don't get why they need to create a roster spot - the trade would bring back a a player but oh well..)

Gambo is saying Chriss was told to stay away from summer league as he was not in shape

Gambo thinks they need a true PF.

Wonder if its a trade like Dudley's expiring for a 2nd round pick or something. Only way you could free a roster spot unless you're making a 2 for 1 deal.

Unless they want to bring back say Sauce -- the roster right now is 15 with Reed and Shaq i believe

So if they make a trade and a player goes out ; than another player is coming in. Now, if they want to use the 4.4 exception - than say, Gambo is right, a body needs to go out and one would hope Troy Daniels is at the top of that list

[NaturalBuns]

Chriss gonna become the next Anthony bennett.
When his comparisons during draft day was amare

I think the roster move is for Daniels though at least I'd hope. I like reed trade Daniels for a 2nd

[LukasBMW]

Gambo is saying that the Suns are trying to create aspot on the roster with a trade
(I don't get why they need to create a roster spot - the trade would bring back a a player but oh well..)

Gambo is saying Chriss was told to stay away from summer league as he was not in shape

Gambo thinks they need a true PF.

WHAT??

Does dude think he’s set for life with 8 mil (pre-taxes)?

You know if Gambo was wrong about this someone would call him out for being wrong. That’s a damning report on Chriss if true.

I'd be set for like with 8 mil (pre-taxes). Hell, I'd probably be set for life with 1 mil, post taxes. Just be smart with your money.

True. Invest $1m in real estate with a 10% cap rate (still possible, but a bit harder to find in AZ now) and you get $100k a year in residual income. That's enough for a house in Scottsdale, a BMW 3 series, a few nice vacations a year, and a wife that won't need to work.

...But as a pro athlete with the ability to earn hundreds of millions and have multiple Ferrari's, houses in Miami, LA, Hawaii, and Paradise Valley, and be able to hire the HOTTEST escorts on a weekly basis to lick your balls clean...you'd think he'd be more motivated.

Jesus, Booker just signed for $160 million! And Chriss is more athletically gifted then Booker. $160 million VS. $8 million....there should be some **** motivation there!

I'm really curious on how Chriss did during our pre draft workout. Did he dog the "end of workout" wind sprints that McDonough claims are a great indicator of motivation and work ethic? Or did he fool us?

[BobbieL]

Chriss gonna become the next Anthony bennett.
When his comparisons during draft day was amare

I think the roster move is for Daniels though at least I'd hope. I like reed trade Daniels for a 2nd

it might cost the Suns a 2nd to move Daniels like Memphis did last year
granted, I think that was lux tax related..

[bigfoot]

What exactly does Warren do that Jackson doesn't? Jackson is a better athlete, a better ball handler, a better defender, better passer, better BBIQ, more vocal leader, younger, and the list goes on. They both struggle shooting its not like TJ has an advantage over JJ here. JJ clearly has the potential to everything TJ does and more. And if you wanna talk about fans watching JJ's blocks and not his defensive follies; unlike TJ, at least JJ HAS BLOCKS TO WATCH!!!

True Shooting - TJ .542 JJ .480
Free Throw - TJ .757 JJ .634

Right there is enough to show JJ's offensive game is atrocious. A .480 true shooting and its not improving at all during summer league against lesser opponents. Summer league shooting stats

.250 on 7-28 shooting
.111 on 1-9 three pointers
.636 on 7-11 free throws

People ragging on Bender rightfully but Jackson deserve even more because he's older than Bender. If fans think we should trade Warren to make room for Jackson that's a big mistake. Anybody who has Jackson in their starting lineup is a fool too. He was benched for a reason last season. He was also gifted minutes last year when Warren and Booker were sat down for the Ayton tank.

Summer League has been absolutely meaningless in its history. Horrible players have looked like future stars. Future stars have looked horrible. It happens every year, and while I understand that it is still better to do well in summer league than to do badly, judging shot improvement by such a small sample size is pointless. The regular season will be the real benchmark, and just looking at him his form is at least better, which is an improvement even if the numbers don't show it yet. I don't think he'll have a good jumper for another couple seasons. It takes time, and his hitch requires a lot of reps to remove and feel comfortable with the new release. The new hair also requires some getting used to since he was probably a little further forward when he had the fro.

Ah yes but we have most of the board trashing Bender for his summer league play. Then turning around and saying to trade Warren and slotting Jackson in as the starting SF. So if its meaningless for Jackson then it should be the same for Bender.

I agree training camp is the make or break for these two in terms of playing time. I expect Warren will be in the starting role disappointing a lot of the Jackson camp.

[Jdiddy701]

Nice to see TJ Warren, Isaiah Cannon and Brandon Knight working on their game in Vegas with the Suns staff today (Cannon’s IG story).


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[Fo-Real]

Not buying out of shape Chris's, looked excellent in b day vid and sitting next to book courtside at summer League, ACTUALLY LOOKED TOO THIN. NOT BUYING IT.

[Kjdills13]

Sorry, that's just not true. Maybe a head coach isn't going to be working with his players on this, but almost every staff employs a shooting coach for this very reason, to correct people's shot mechanics, help them speed up their release, etc., yes it requires a player to work hard, but to say that coaching can't improve shooting is one of the dumbest things I've heard on this board.

Also, scheme and system can also improve shooting % by putting players in positions to take shots they are comfortable with and in good rhythm.

Sounds like you're the one who is delusional.

So the university of Kansas does not have a good shooting coach?

Or anyone on Watson’s staff

Or anyone who coached his AAU TEAMS

All of those coaches couldn’t make him better

But NOW we have a magic shooting coach?


Like I said percentages will
Go up because we will get more open shots

At the professional level fundamentals is a small coaching point, it’s the player that needs to put in the work to improve, so yes can players improve YES, but the coach isn’t the magic wand, it’s the players work ethic to take a million reps to improve that part of their game. Not the coach , the coach helps a lot more in other aspects of the game

Jackson had one offseason at Kansas. So I assume that they didn't have a ton of time to work on the Freshman's shot when they were trying to teach him their sets, adapt him to college level basketball, etc.

But also, did it ever occur to you that NBA coaches just might be better than collegiate or AAU coaches? Like, seriously, NBA teams PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to employ shooting coaches. Why would they do that if it didn't make a difference? You're telling me that you know more about this than nearly every team in the league?

No because you need a coach to help a player when there shot is bad or fine tune certain mechanics, but A shooting coach is not going to
Be a magic potion, it’s the player that has to put in the work, yes the coaches help but it’s not as much as you think.

95% of coaches will teach the same fundamentals , and in professional sports vet players help players as much as coaches do from a fund standpoint

[denial]

Most players in the NBA can shoot. Coaching is not important so much because they teach how to shoot. It is important because they teach how to get good shots in the NBA, whether it be by the scheme/system, or individual cuts/dives/pops etc.

Yes every kid gets taught how to shoot since they are 10 years old. But the NBA is chess, not checkers. 90% of the battle is getting a good shot. There is a reason AAU coaches aren't NBA coaches.

[Barkley6]

So the university of Kansas does not have a good shooting coach?

Or anyone on Watson’s staff

Or anyone who coached his AAU TEAMS

All of those coaches couldn’t make him better

But NOW we have a magic shooting coach?


Like I said percentages will
Go up because we will get more open shots

At the professional level fundamentals is a small coaching point, it’s the player that needs to put in the work to improve, so yes can players improve YES, but the coach isn’t the magic wand, it’s the players work ethic to take a million reps to improve that part of their game. Not the coach , the coach helps a lot more in other aspects of the game

Jackson had one offseason at Kansas. So I assume that they didn't have a ton of time to work on the Freshman's shot when they were trying to teach him their sets, adapt him to college level basketball, etc.

But also, did it ever occur to you that NBA coaches just might be better than collegiate or AAU coaches? Like, seriously, NBA teams PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to employ shooting coaches. Why would they do that if it didn't make a difference? You're telling me that you know more about this than nearly every team in the league?

No because you need a coach to help a player when there shot is bad or fine tune certain mechanics, but A shooting coach is not going to
Be a magic potion, it’s the player that has to put in the work, yes the coaches help but it’s not as much as you think.

95% of coaches will teach the same fundamentals , and in professional sports vet players help players as much as coaches do from a fund standpoint

So you went from "people who think a COACH is going to make a player a better shooter is delusional" to "You need a coach to help a player when there (sic) shot is bad or fine tune certain mechanics"

Which is it? are we delusional or does coaching help?

[Kjdills13]

Jackson had one offseason at Kansas. So I assume that they didn't have a ton of time to work on the Freshman's shot when they were trying to teach him their sets, adapt him to college level basketball, etc.

But also, did it ever occur to you that NBA coaches just might be better than collegiate or AAU coaches? Like, seriously, NBA teams PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to employ shooting coaches. Why would they do that if it didn't make a difference? You're telling me that you know more about this than nearly every team in the league?

No because you need a coach to help a player when there shot is bad or fine tune certain mechanics, but A shooting coach is not going to
Be a magic potion, it’s the player that has to put in the work, yes the coaches help but it’s not as much as you think.

95% of coaches will teach the same fundamentals , and in professional sports vet players help players as much as coaches do from a fund standpoint

So you went from "people who think a COACH is going to make a player a better shooter is delusional" to "You need a coach to help a player when there (sic) shot is bad or fine tune certain mechanics"

Which is it? are we delusional or does coaching help?

No I said coaching is not a magic wand to make someone become a shooter. A coach will
Make minor tweaks to make a player better but it is not drastic, in professional sports fundamentals are a verry verry small part of coaching, it is the scheme and handling egos which is was pro coaching is about. The players who improve there shot are players that spend countless time, not because the coach says release your shot 2 inches higher. A coach can tweak a release but the player has to put in the time ........

What I am saying is there is not a MAGIC coach that’s going to turn a player into a shooter. So our coaching staff change does not now magically make all our players shoot better.

Yes coaches help but the big difference in professional coaches is like I said scheme motivation, attitude, mindset.

Not a big difference coaching the jump shot between staffs

And by the way over half the NBA doesn’t have shooting coaches lol

[bwgood77]

Gambo is saying that the Suns are trying to create aspot on the roster with a trade
(I don't get why they need to create a roster spot - the trade would bring back a a player but oh well..)

Gambo is saying Chriss was told to stay away from summer league as he was not in shape

Gambo thinks they need a true PF.

WHAT??

Does dude think he’s set for life with 8 mil (pre-taxes)?

You know if Gambo was wrong about this someone would call him out for being wrong. That’s a damning report on Chriss if true.

I'd be set for like with 8 mil (pre-taxes). Hell, I'd probably be set for life with 1 mil, post taxes. Just be smart with your money.

Yeah, when I saw that post I was thinking $8 million pre tax? Hell yeah I'd be set with that for life...you'd have to be an idiot not to be if you wanted to be. But I figured Dez must just like to live extremely large.

[Kjdills13]

Most players in the NBA can shoot. Coaching is not important so much because they teach how to shoot. It is important because they teach how to get good shots in the NBA, whether it be by the scheme/system, or individual cuts/dives/pops etc.

Yes every kid gets taught how to shoot since they are 10 years old. But the NBA is chess, not checkers. 90% of the battle is getting a good shot. There is a reason AAU coaches aren't NBA coaches.

100% agree

the scheme of the coach will get players better shots . I agree!

But it’s not like we have a magically shooting coach that increases everybody’s shot due to fundamentals. Lol

[SuperSunsFan]

Look at Kendall Marshall. He couldn't shoot the 3 ball at all when he was with us then while playing for D'antoni in LA Kendall Marshall started shooting at almost 40% at 3.3 attempts a game, there must be something about D'Antoni's coaching that he can help players turn on the light bulb with their shootings, almost most players start shooting better after playing for D'Antoni.

[bwgood77]

Look at Kendall Marshall. He couldn't shoot the 3 ball at all when he was with us then while playing for D'antoni in LA Kendall Marshall started shooting at almost 40% at 3.3 attempts a game, there must be something about D'Antoni's coaching that he can help players turn on the light bulb with their shootings, almost most players start shooting better after playing for D'Antoni.

David Griffin said it something like this..."When players play for D'Antoni they will never get yelled at for taking a 3, but they will get yelled at for passing up an open 3, and it gives them a sort of fearlessness and their hesitations are gone and they just have so much confidence they shoot better."

I mean look at JJ the year before and after D'Antoni...it was posted in another thread earlier. Hopefully Koko has a similar impact.

[sunwillrise0304]

LAC signs Luc Mbah A Moute. now they have 17 roster , excluding harrell who they are expected to resign

more likely they will release either/both of beverley and teodosic!!

GET IT DONE , MCD

[BobbieL]

LAC signs Luc Mbah A Moute. now they have 17 roster , excluding harrell who they are expected to resign

more likely they will release either/both of beverley and teodosic!!

GET IT DONE , MCD

More than likely Teodosic is released within a week. Beverly - not so sure anymore. Clippers might want his defense

[AtheJ415]

Not sure how much I trust Gambo here. I mean, Chriss looks to be in pretty good shape in the photos/videos I've seen.

If he truly is out of shape yet again in back to back offseasons, that is a big red flag.