Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

ConstableGeneva · Post #1181 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:53 am

Post #1182 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:54 am

To me even if Rozier keeps it up from 3, what is his ceiling? Lou Williams? Eric Bledsoe maybe? I sure as hell wouldn't take either of them over Smart.

I'd rather just keep them both because they compliment each other well, but don't know how likely that is.

Homerclease · Post #1183 » by **Homerclease** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:55 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I gave you the 3-point shooting percentages, which clearly proved he is not an elite 3-point shooter.

Except they prove he is. Top 10 for his position and still improving is elite

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

You’re shifting the goalposts. We’re talking strictly about 3 point shooting here. And either one isn’t going to have a featured role here with Kyrie, Brown, Tatum and Hayward all above them on the food chain.

He does have business being compared to Smart because their next contracts aren’t being paid for past work rather the work they do in the future. Given the twos growth trajectory, I expect Rozier to surpass Marcus in terms of overall impact sooner rather than later.

I’m not parsing or spinning anything. Both are flawed players with strengths and weaknesses. If we keep both or lose both, they are likely 6th or 7th best players on a championship team at best

JR Hawks · Post #1184 » by **JR Hawks** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:56 am

The Kings giving Smart big money reminds me of the Pelicans giving Posey big money. Both players are perfect on winning teams but not good enough to turn around a bad franchise....stars are needed for that. Posey's contract made him untradeable in New Orleans so he basically fell off the face of the earth....I could see the same thing happening to Smart.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

Green_teamer wrote:

Read on Twitter

hilarious. everyone has a source

brackdan70 · Post #1186 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:59 am

Thanks for dropping the breaking news...we had no idea.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

The Comedian wrote:To me even if Rozier keeps it up from 3, what is his ceiling? Lou Williams? Eric Bledsoe maybe? I sure as hell wouldn't take either of them over Smart.

I'd rather just keep them both because they compliment each other well, but don't know how likely that is.

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BRUNiNHO91 · Post #1188 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:00 am

Lol. Sherrod though.

Post #1189 » by **sully00** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:01 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I gave you the 3-point shooting percentages, which clearly proved he is not an elite 3-point shooter.

Except they prove he is. Top 10 for his position and still improving is elite

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

The last line is crap there are a bunch of games Boston doesn't win this season without Rozier. Mostly the games from February to April that Smart didn't play because he "punched a picture frame" from either taking a terrible shot against the Lakers that cost the team a win or because some internet weed skank outed him take your pick. Rozier bailed this team out when we literally had no other PG, no Irving, Smart or even Larkin.

Post #1190 » by **K For Three** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:02 am

This thread has been entertaining.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1191 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:05 am

Kyrie For Three wrote:This thread has been entertaining.

We are in full offseason mode now!

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #1192 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:06 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
Green_teamer wrote:

Read on Twitter

hilarious. everyone has a source

I bet this is Sherrod's source. lol

ZeroTolerance · Post #1193 » by **ZeroTolerance** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:07 am

Homerclease wrote:Sounds like agent BS to me. A. Sherrod breaking news? Not buying it for a second

Maybe Blakely gets a free lunch out of the deal?....Anything decent to eat there?

Havlicek17 · Post #1194 » by **Havlicek17** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:07 am

If I was Smart's agent and saw a call coming in from Sacramento, I wouldn't pick it up. I'd be afraid that the Kings would actually made an offer to Smart.

Sacramento is the last place I'd want my player to go...That's where careers end, not begin. He might get more money in the short term, but he'd be out of the league when his contract expires or try and go somewhere else at vet minimum to get back to being valuable again.

Romeiro Celtic · Post #1195 » by **Romeiro Celtic** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:07 am

Bye bye Marcus.

thelarrybirdx · Post #1196 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:08 am

This could actually turn out pretty well for us. Instead of just signing a 1 year deal, he could be signing a sheet for multiple years. Assuming it isn't an albatross of an offer, the Kings are doing us a favor.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1197 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:10 am

Homerclease wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Except they prove he is. Top 10 for his position and still improving is elite

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

You’re shifting the goalposts. We’re talking strictly about 3 point shooting here. And either one isn’t going to have a featured role here with Kyrie, Brown, Tatum and Hayward all above them on the food chain.

He does have business being compared to Smart because their next contracts aren’t being paid for past work rather the work they do in the future. Given the twos growth trajectory, I expect Rozier to surpass Marcus in terms of overall impact sooner rather than later.

I’m not parsing or spinning anything. Both are flawed players with strengths and weaknesses. If we keep both or lose both, they are likely 6th or 7th best players on a championship team at best

I'm not moving any goal posts. Been making the same points all along, and talking to five of you in the process. You are jumping in to a larger conversation to defend the lone point of Rozier being a knockdown 3-point shooter when that is demonstrably, quantifiably, and inarguably not the case.

"10th best 3-point shooting PG out of 40 qualified players" is an obfuscation. Especially when he is closer to 24th on that list than he is to 5th. Especially when he wasn't even really a PG to begin with this past year. Out of 95 guards who shot enough 3s to qualify this year, Terry was about 32nd best, and only marginally ahead of guys like Chris Paul, Oladipo, Wall, and Harden, who all had to create looks for themselves vs far greater defensive attention.

That's not considered elite by anyone that doesn't sleep in Larry Bird underoos.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #1198 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:10 am

thelarrybirdx wrote:This could actually turn out pretty well for us. Instead of just signing a 1 year deal, he could be signing a sheet for multiple years. Assuming it isn't an albatross of an offer, the Kings are doing us a favor.

I have to think they know we'll match anything reasonable. It has to be an overpay, which sucks for us whether we match or not.

thelarrybirdx · Post #1199 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:12 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:This could actually turn out pretty well for us. Instead of just signing a 1 year deal, he could be signing a sheet for multiple years. Assuming it isn't an albatross of an offer, the Kings are doing us a favor.

I have to think they know we'll match anything reasonable. It has to be an overpay, which sucks for us whether we match or not.

Yeah I'm scared of what they'll offer him.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1200 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:12 am

sully00 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Except they prove he is. Top 10 for his position and still improving is elite

Thing is, I don't need to parse and spin to make my points. Proven endlessly now, the dude is a just above average 3-point shooter who is well below average within the 3-point line. Not efficient, not consistent, not elite or "knockdown" (from 3 or anywhere else).

Further, in the original context of what a different team will pay him, he is doing it primarily spot-up and off the ball as a 4th or 5th option, usually off the bench. This is a very different thing than creating your own opportunities as a starter in a featured role.

He has no business being compared to Smart in terms of his ability to impact or win games in this league.

The last line is crap there are a bunch of games Boston doesn't win this season without Rozier. Mostly the games from February to April that Smart didn't play because he "punched a picture frame" from either taking a terrible shot against the Lakers that cost the team a win or because some internet weed skank outed him take your pick. Rozier bailed this team out when we literally had no other PG, no Irving, Smart or even Larkin.

I don't hate Terry, but Smart *obviously* had a greater impact on winning games this year. We are an ordinary offensive team that wins with coaching, defense and grit. Stevens, Horford, and Smart define our identity.