Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[Truebiscuit]

What's funny is that many here chided the FO for not making the Bulls "younger and more athletic" when they signed Rondo and Wade, but then when they get someone who is clearly younger and more athletic, they complain when the FO decides to slightly overpay said younger and more athletic player in order to keep him, especially when players of his caliber and potential haven't signed onto this franchise as a free agent in the past 30 years, if ever.

https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/alltime_transactions.html

This is called "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Some people just want to watch the world burn... others just want to piss and moan

PREACH ON BROTHER !(not that im a religious one the slightest )

The whole thing is stupid. People are ripping this kid apart because he verbalized frustration of the Kings signing him to an offer sheet instead of the Bulls. But then those same people will defend to the death a player that rips on his head coach and teammates. It's a ridiculous double standard, and one frankly that I find hilarious. Reminds me a ton of the Urlacher is an ass to the media but it's cool... Cutler is an ass to the media and he's a petulant child

[johnnyvann840]

And you certainly haven't earned the right to tell they to shut up and play. In all due respect, if you don't like it don't come to their show. Even though Bono is a blowhard, he gets to be.

I did earn that right the minute I bought a ticket. They could have thrown me out if they wanted to, but I had every right to express my opinion. This was in the early 90's and believe it or not a lot of people there were in agreement with me. Nobody I talked to was very keen on the rants. Their music is so good that people put up with it but they don't have to like it.

Do you think you have the right to Heckle Comics too, because you paid for a ticket? There are all kinds of other people viewing the same show you are who probably didn't want to hear you screaming at him to shut up and play. They paid for tickets also.

As a musician, I've been trying to stay out of the whole U2 discussion because I have some pretty strong opinions. But if you think buying a ticket gives you the right to tell a performer to shut the **** up you're way off base.

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I would never heckle a comic.... as long as he/she was telling jokes. Even if they weren't funny. Now, if a comic decided to stop their routine and go off on a political rant about something... hell yes, I would probably say something. But, buy the ticket, take the ride. If you bought the ticket and the ride sucks, you should say so.

Keep in mind I'm talking about a show from over 25 years ago. Actually longer than that. It wasn't well known that this is what the band did. Like I said, most people agreed with me and even cheered when I said it. Even today a lot of people are put off by it and they know what they are in for. U2 put out a lot of amazing music (not really any in the last two decades), but they were good. Also, some of the best South Park episodes poke fun at Bono.

[Indomitable]

Because no one really cares about what he says. Taj was underpaid, pushed on the bench, put 200% effort in every night and never said a damn word. Whining "woe is me" is always a bad look. What's the point? You aren't going to win my heart by telling me you're trying to put food on the table.

You're wrong, he made a big deal about not getting a bigger contract and it almost came to Taj not accepting the contract offer and wanting out until the last few hours that he was able to sign the contract. Paxson had to literally seek him out before a game to talk things over with him, and Taj admitted to breaking out in tears and eventually agreeing to accept the offer.

The point is, even people you consider lunch pale players who just get on with it, with little complaining even have their moments where they feel they are worth more than what was offered, and because of that their feelings get hurt - Gibson was no exception.

Well Taj was worth more, and he didn't complain on instagram about it. I've heard more from Lavine in 2 days than I did from Taj in 6 years.

TAJ is also an old man compared to Zach. The world is different

[johnnyvann840]

Where was this concert held? .

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Compton Terrace. Tempe AZ. And I just realized it was over 30 years ago. 1985

[Indomitable]

I'm sorry, but I don't know why Zach is suddenly getting so much negative exposure because of some off handed comment he made about contract negotiations. Plenty of had the same issues, with the Bulls no less, Noah, Gibson etc. People feel they are worth something, and get their feelings hurt, I don't think he said anything malicious. Plus, he clearly had no ill will towards the Bulls being that he came right back to support the team in Summer league soon after he got the contract.

Now it's come to a point where everything he does and says is being looked in a negative light, which is fascinating because he has been a stand up professional throughout his career, and just because he happened to express his feelings now he is somehow a villain. When players don't speak their mind, they are considered weak and flaky, but when they do, they are just criticised, it's a lose lose situation for them.

To me the angst about the contract extension should be steered towards the Bulls front office not Zach.

I'm definitely more upset at the Bulls for first offering that fool $74M but it got even worse when they matched that idiotic offer from the dumbest team in NBA history. But, come on, that dick just bragged about being humble. He's been telling us how hard he works for the last few days. Think on that one for just a second. Then, to add insult to injury, he tried to equate an NBA contract negotiation that was between $74MILLION and $78.5MILLION being the difference to people trying to "support and provide for their family". Now, that is an insult to just about anybody who is worth less than a few million. You know, normal people. Or how about people who truly work hard for a living and REALLY have to worry about supporting and providing for their families.

Sorry, man, it's just a bad look. It's like D Rose post ACL 2.0. Every time he speaks a new level of idiocy is revealed.

Your response sounds like someone who is simply hating a person who is in a position of power and using it to his advantage. If I was a professional athlete, and knew that I have a limited window to make as much money as possible, I would have done exactly the same thing, and even said similar if it helped me get a few extra million on my contract. And if people judge me on that, then so be it, I wouldn't lose sleep about that.

The point being he has been nothing but professional throughout his career, has never been in any conflict with teammates, has never been in trouble away from the court, coaches and teammates seem to love and respect him. And right after signing the big contract, he goes out to support the summer league team, has Jimmy Butler or Derrick Rose ever done that? Yet here we are judging based on a few soundbites, and disregarding everything else he has done as a professional up to this point.

It is just a sign he is is an middle age man struggling with the new generation of people.

[Truebiscuit]

About 25 years ago I was at a U2 concert in the 2nd row Center. I yelled at Bono to just shut up and play (and he heard me) because he wouldn't shut up after almost every song going off on some political rant.

Some people might have found that disgusting too. I didn't care because I didn't pay to listen to that fool talk about politics.

You paid his band money to watch him perform. If you don't like what he's singing or saying, leave. Telling an artist to shut up and play is about as nonsensical as it gets.

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And you certainly haven't earned the right to tell they to shut up and play. In all due respect, if you don't like it don't come to their show. Even though Bono is a blowhard, he gets to be.

I did earn that right the minute I bought a ticket. They could have thrown me out if they wanted to, but I had every right to express my opinion. This was in the early 90's and believe it or not a lot of people there were in agreement with me. Nobody I talked to was very keen on the rants. Their music is so good that people put up with it but they don't have to like it.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Going to see a performer is a privilege that you get by buying a ticket. But telling the band what to do does not come with it. I would have wanted to throw you out myself if you started yelling at the band. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right or that you know what you're talking about (I mean this in a general sense, not just directed at you). In all due respect, you're sounding like a person with entitlement issues. If you're going to a concert of a band you love, you owe them the respect to run their own show. You don't own them and you're not entitled to tell them what to do.

[Truebiscuit]

And you certainly haven't earned the right to tell they to shut up and play. In all due respect, if you don't like it don't come to their show. Even though Bono is a blowhard, he gets to be.

I did earn that right the minute I bought a ticket. They could have thrown me out if they wanted to, but I had every right to express my opinion. This was in the early 90's and believe it or not a lot of people there were in agreement with me. Nobody I talked to was very keen on the rants. Their music is so good that people put up with it but they don't have to like it.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Going to see a performer is a privilege that you get by buying a ticket. But telling the band what to do does not come with it. I would have wanted to throw you out myself if you started yelling at the band. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right or that you know what you're talking about (I mean this in a general sense, not just directed at you). In all due respect, you're sounding like a person with entitlement issues. If you're going to a concert of a band you love, you owe them the respect to run their own show. You don't own them and you're not entitled to tell them what to do.

Agreed 110%. Cheers, mate!

[johnnyvann840]

And you certainly haven't earned the right to tell they to shut up and play. In all due respect, if you don't like it don't come to their show. Even though Bono is a blowhard, he gets to be.

I did earn that right the minute I bought a ticket. They could have thrown me out if they wanted to, but I had every right to express my opinion. This was in the early 90's and believe it or not a lot of people there were in agreement with me. Nobody I talked to was very keen on the rants. Their music is so good that people put up with it but they don't have to like it.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Going to see a performer is a privilege that you get by buying a ticket. But telling the band what to do does not come with it. I would have wanted to throw you out myself if you started yelling at the band. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right or that you know what you're talking about (I mean this in a general sense, not just directed at you). In all due respect, you're sounding like a person with entitlement issues. If you're going to a concert of a band you love, you owe them the respect to run their own show. You don't own them and you're not entitled to tell them what to do.

EXACTLY!!!!

[BR0D1E86]

First off, I do think that is a lot of money for a largely unproven player but all he has to do, at a minimum, is repeat what he did his last year in Minnesota for this deal to be worth it..

I’m confused where this idea that he was a competent basketball player his last season in Minnesota came from. He was 388th in rpm. He was just as horrific in killing winning basketball. It helped a small amount that he scored a bit more efficiently, but he was still just as mind-numbingly terrible at literally everything else.

The whole team was and it literally fell apart when Zach got injured.

They won 9 of their next 16 games.

[Indomitable]

This thread is exposing so many people and their mindset on people and life. Extremely disappointing.

Look at the world. Do you think the ability to not get along was just an outside the forum thing. Some people believe the right way to think is their way of thinking.

I am right is the worlds greatest diseased mind set. The inability to see other people points of view is the crippling mindset of our time.

There can really no peace without acceptance of other people. The shut up and play is just so Bobby Knighteous. People are allowed their differences in my opinion.

[BR0D1E86]

I’m confused where this idea that he was a competent basketball player his last season in Minnesota came from. He was 388th in rpm. He was just as horrific in killing winning basketball. It helped a small amount that he scored a bit more efficiently, but he was still just as mind-numbing your terrible at literally everything else.

Not to mention if he just repeated what he did his "last year in Minnesota", we would get half a season out of him and another torn ACL. He was not even that good before he tore his ACL. He still somehow made the Wolves negative. Net negative -5.0 PP100. Significantly worse.

Well, that's just funny, of course minus the ACL tear. Also, I don't believe I said that he was a super efficient player. If you look at the full paragraph of what I said I recognize he needs to improve, a lot........

"First off, I do think that is a lot of money for a largely unproven player but all he has to do, at a minimum, is repeat what he did his last year in Minnesota for this deal to be worth it. If he adds defense or improves this deal is a steal and is a contract that will be cap friendly and able to be traded."


But, he is an asset and we need to bet on him becoming more of an asset. This team doesn't have many assets and we are most likely not going to get any stars in free agency. This trade could be looked at as a gamble for sure but what else do we have going for us in this rebuild other than building assets and taking risks? I hope he does improve. He has to. But so many fans would be moaning right now if we let another asset just walk. I'll take the risk. Finally, the front office takes a risk. I don't think it's as big of a risk due to the percentage of the cap he uses up, the injury protection, the fact that he is 23, and now he has motivation because he isn't seen as the #1 guy and he didn't get a direct offer from the Bulls. Hopefully that is all the motivation he needs to become a better player and a better asset.

No, the stats say that if he adds defense or better team play he might not be such a horrifically negative player. To get to being an asset, he’s got a long way to go.

[johnnyvann840]

About 25 years ago I was at a U2 concert in the 2nd row Center. I yelled at Bono to just shut up and play (and he heard me) because he wouldn't shut up after almost every song going off on some political rant.

Some people might have found that disgusting too. I didn't care because I didn't pay to listen to that fool talk about politics.

You paid his band money to watch him perform. If you don't like what he's singing or saying, leave. Telling an artist to shut up and play is about as nonsensical as it gets.

Are you even comprehending what I'm talking about? I thought the music was great. The singing was great. The songs, even the political ones were great. I just didn't want to hear Bono talking about abortion (at the time, 32 years ago, he was Mr. Right to Life Christian- since then he has done a 180 on the subject) and Ronald Reagan and the Cold War. Between almost every song. I was not the only one who didn't find it fun. Leaving the show a lot of people were saying the same thing.

[Truebiscuit]

About 25 years ago I was at a U2 concert in the 2nd row Center. I yelled at Bono to just shut up and play (and he heard me) because he wouldn't shut up after almost every song going off on some political rant.

Some people might have found that disgusting too. I didn't care because I didn't pay to listen to that fool talk about politics.

You paid his band money to watch him perform. If you don't like what he's singing or saying, leave. Telling an artist to shut up and play is about as nonsensical as it gets.

Are you even comprehending what I'm talking about? I thought the music was great. The singing was great. The songs, even the political ones were great. I just didn't want to hear Bono talking about abortion (at the time, 32 years ago, he was Mr. Right to Life Christian- since then he has done a 180 on the subject) and Ronald Reagan and the Cold War. Between almost every song. I was not the only one who didn't find it fun. Leaving the show a lot of people were saying the same thing.

I am, and I am still saying you don't have any right to tell an artist to "shut up and play" when you willingly paid your money to watch them perform. What he does/says during that time is up to him, not up to you. Same thing happened when I was at a Pearl Jam show, you had your right-leaning fans talking **** to Eddie Vedder for his liberal politics. "Shut up and play" was uttered and Eddie told him point blank he's not going to play or say what some person is yelling at him. Crowd cheered and that fan got booed out of the arena. It was awesome

[Habs72]

Where was this concert held? .

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Compton Terrace. Tempe AZ. And I just realized it was over 30 years ago. 1985

So in a state where around 2/3 were republicans at the time and is one the states where death penalty is still relevant and being used highly vs other surrounding states. Also has strong views on same sex relationships, it kinda figures that people didnt like what they heard in the concert besides the songs dont you think?

[Truebiscuit]

Where was this concert held? .

.

Compton Terrace. Tempe AZ. And I just realized it was over 30 years ago. 1985

So in a state where around 2/3 were republicans at the time and is one the states where death penalty is still relevant and being used highly vs others surrounding states. Also has strong views on same sex relationships, it kinda figures that people didnt like what they heard in the concert besides the songs dont you think?

"I like the way your songs sound but I probably don't listen to the lyrics or comprehend the message you are delivering, so don't talk about politics in between songs!"

"I thought Sunday, Bloody Sunday was about a girl who ran out of tampons"

I'd imagine it was something like that

[johnnyvann840]

This thread is exposing so many people and their mindset on people and life. Extremely disappointing.

Look at the world. Do you think the ability to not get along was just an outside the forum thing. Some people believe the right way to think is their way of thinking.

I am right is the worlds greatest diseased mind set. The inability to see other people points of view is the crippling mindset of our time.

There can really no peace without acceptance of other people. The shut up and play is just so Bobby Knighteous. People are allowed their differences in my opinion.

Says the person who wrote this....

There aren't 2 sides on this. The Bulls never did one thing to elicit the negativity launched against them. If anything, they totally honored him with a great offer. He had 2 legit options at that point.

- take the generous offer
- shop around for even more. Stay mute, and be respectful of the process and the Bulls.

Guy chose neither. He went after more (1.5). But also he went after the Bulls and played into a damaging pre-existing narrative against the franchise. Namely, that they are cheap and unappreciative of players. So tell me how the Bulls deserved that diss from Lavine?

The Bulls did and I am not about to argue with a person unable to see the truth. They did say at their press conference they were redesigning the offense. It was a shot. Get your had out of their butt.

Freaking hilarious. The self righteousness is unbearable around here these days.

[Truebiscuit]

This thread is exposing so many people and their mindset on people and life. Extremely disappointing.

Look at the world. Do you think the ability to not get along was just an outside the forum thing. Some people believe the right way to think is their way of thinking.

I am right is the worlds greatest diseased mind set. The inability to see other people points of view is the crippling mindset of our time.

There can really no peace without acceptance of other people. The shut up and play is just so Bobby Knighteous. People are allowed their differences in my opinion.

Says the person who wrote this....

There aren't 2 sides on this. The Bulls never did one thing to elicit the negativity launched against them. If anything, they totally honored him with a great offer. He had 2 legit options at that point.

- take the generous offer
- shop around for even more. Stay mute, and be respectful of the process and the Bulls.

Guy chose neither. He went after more (1.5). But also he went after the Bulls and played into a damaging pre-existing narrative against the franchise. Namely, that they are cheap and unappreciative of players. So tell me how the Bulls deserved that diss from Lavine?

The Bulls did and I am not about to argue with a person unable to see the truth. They did say at their press conference they were redesigning the offense. It was a shot. Get your had out of their butt.

Freaking hilarious. The self righteousness is unbearable around here these days.

He's not wrong, though. I'd say the self righteousness is warranted here.

[johnnyvann840]

Where was this concert held? .

.

Compton Terrace. Tempe AZ. And I just realized it was over 30 years ago. 1985

So in a state where around 2/3 were republicans at the time and is one the states where death penalty is still relevant and being used highly vs others surrounding states. Also has strong views on same sex relationships, it kinda figures that people didnt like what they heard in the concert besides the songs dont you think?

I'm not a republican and I have no problem with same sex relationships... but I am all for the death penalty in certain cases.

And read my posts. I said I don't mind political songs or lyrics. It's all part of it. But that idiot was going off on rants that I don't even think he knew what the hell he wanted to say. You weren't there. You probably weren't even born, so save it for another self righteous kid. I understand the sanctity of the stage and have more respect for it than most of you realize. I worked for Jerry Garcia for a summer. I toured with the Dead. If that isn't political enough for you, what is? They never went off between songs about stuff that had nothing to do with anything. In fact, they never really said a word during a show. They let the music do the talking for them. It's one reason why they were the highest grossing touring band of all time.

[Habs72]

I’m confused where this idea that he was a competent basketball player his last season in Minnesota came from. He was 388th in rpm. He was just as horrific in killing winning basketball. It helped a small amount that he scored a bit more efficiently, but he was still just as mind-numbingly terrible at literally everything else.

The whole team was and it literally fell apart when Zach got injured.

They won 9 of their next 16 games.

And conveniently you just left out that they lost 6 straight after that.