Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[SmartWentCrazy]

I love how process zealots are in an existential crisis right now and whining/begging for attention on our board.

[Captain_Caveman]

Embiid was not healthy. He could barely see with the mask and was clearly bothering him. I wouldn't call losing 3 games in the final 20 seconds being light years ahead. Sixers just didn't execute down the stretch and Boston did.

What about the Boston didn't have Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward don't you understand? We only had Haywood for 5 mins so no idea how much we missed him but with Irving Boston is so much better offensively especially on the road that it is night and day. Irving is one of the 10 best players in the league and probably one 5 best offensive players. We got bye with Rozier but he is like 20% of Kyrie Irving.

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

[kuclas]

What about the Boston didn't have Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward don't you understand? We only had Haywood for 5 mins so no idea how much we missed him but with Irving Boston is so much better offensively especially on the road that it is night and day. Irving is one of the 10 best players in the league and probably one 5 best offensive players. We got bye with Rozier but he is like 20% of Kyrie Irving.

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

[Celts17Pride]

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Neither Fultz or Simmons can hit a 10 foot shot. What's your point?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Why is that? What team is starting a power 4 that would abuse Tatum/Hayward/Brown regularly? Hell, JB more than held his own defensively against Love in the playoffs this season— it doesn't really get more physical than that in the East.

[kuclas]

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Neither Fultz or Simmons can hit a 10 foot shot. What's your point?

The point is that boston fans say "we don't have Hayward" and still won. Hayward and Tatum essentially play the same 3 position. Maybe for a few minutes they can slide over to the 4 slot against small ball teams. But Hayward/Tatum combo aren't going to be on the same court against bigger lineups. Having Hayward injured helped Tatum's development and let him play more minutes.

[Captain_Caveman]

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Your point is a non-point. Tatum is just fine playing PF, especially in a system that only has 3 positions anyways. You may have noticed that teams loaded with scoring wings who are versatile defensively is sort of the rage now. There are at least 144 minutes a game that don't go to PGs or Cs, which is more than plenty for those three, plus backups. And as a Celts fan, you also absolutely want a crunch time lineup of Kyrie/Jaylen/Hayward/Tatum/Horford out there.

[twoplusone]

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Neither Fultz or Simmons can hit a 10 foot shot. What's your point?

The point is that boston fans say "we don't have Hayward" and still won. Hayward and Tatum essentially play the same 3 position. Maybe for a few minutes they can slide over to the 4 slot against small ball teams. But Hayward/Tatum combo aren't going to be on the same court against bigger lineups. Having Hayward injured helped Tatum's development and let him play more minutes.

Why is Boston the team that needs to react in this situation and not the other team? Do you think a traditional 4 will have much luck guarding Tatum and Hayward on the perimeter?

[Feed Your Head]

Tatum played the 4 in the second must used lineup last year. And he can't play the 2 because his ball handling isnt good enough? What the hell? Tatum was one of the primary ball handlers in the Bucks series until Smart was back. Also

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[Captain_Caveman]

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Neither Fultz or Simmons can hit a 10 foot shot. What's your point?

The point is that boston fans say "we don't have Hayward" and still won. Hayward and Tatum essentially play the same 3 position. Maybe for a few minutes they can slide over to the 4 slot against small ball teams. But Hayward/Tatum combo aren't going to be on the same court against bigger lineups. Having Hayward injured helped Tatum's development and let him play more minutes.

Your point is completely wrong, and an outdated version of basketball according to rigid positions. Look at how many wings the Warriors, and LeBron CLE-MIA teams have had recently.

We wiped the floor with you guys playing small ball lineups, especially in crunch time, when most teams go small anyways.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Tatum a SG? Someone help this guy lol.

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Your point is a non-point. Tatum is just fine playing PF, especially in a system that only has 3 positions anyways. You may have noticed that teams loaded with scoring wings who are versatile defensively is sort of the rage now. There are at least 144 minutes a game that don't go to PGs or Cs, which is more than plenty for those three, plus backups. And as a Celts fan, you also absolutely want a crunch time lineup of Kyrie/Jaylen/Hayward/Tatum/Horford out there.

I think his point is that Tatum is **** when we play the Pistons 3 or 4 times this year if Griffin is healthy.

Cool, I guess.

[Captain_Caveman]

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Your point is a non-point. Tatum is just fine playing PF, especially in a system that only has 3 positions anyways. You may have noticed that teams loaded with scoring wings who are versatile defensively is sort of the rage now. There are at least 144 minutes a game that don't go to PGs or Cs, which is more than plenty for those three, plus backups. And as a Celts fan, you also absolutely want a crunch time lineup of Kyrie/Jaylen/Hayward/Tatum/Horford out there.

I think his point is that Tatum is **** when we play the Pistons 3 or 4 times this year if Griffin is healthy.

Cool, I guess.

It is a complete misread of the field and everything that has happened in the last ten years to act like being stacked with talented wings is somehow a negative in this league.

[Homerclease]

Your point is a non-point. Tatum is just fine playing PF, especially in a system that only has 3 positions anyways. You may have noticed that teams loaded with scoring wings who are versatile defensively is sort of the rage now. There are at least 144 minutes a game that don't go to PGs or Cs, which is more than plenty for those three, plus backups. And as a Celts fan, you also absolutely want a crunch time lineup of Kyrie/Jaylen/Hayward/Tatum/Horford out there.

I think his point is that Tatum is **** when we play the Pistons 3 or 4 times this year if Griffin is healthy.

Cool, I guess.

It is a complete misread of the field and everything that has happened in the last ten years to act like being stacked with talented wings is somehow a negative in this league.

Nevermind the fact that’s precisely how we mopped the floor with Philly and Tatum and Brown dominated Reddick, Belineli and Ilyasova. Sixers have zero wing depth to speak of and then try to come at Boston fans with their process hero’s that already got worked when games actually matter

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Your point is a non-point. Tatum is just fine playing PF, especially in a system that only has 3 positions anyways. You may have noticed that teams loaded with scoring wings who are versatile defensively is sort of the rage now. There are at least 144 minutes a game that don't go to PGs or Cs, which is more than plenty for those three, plus backups. And as a Celts fan, you also absolutely want a crunch time lineup of Kyrie/Jaylen/Hayward/Tatum/Horford out there.

I think his point is that Tatum is **** when we play the Pistons 3 or 4 times this year if Griffin is healthy.

Cool, I guess.

It is a complete misread of the field and everything that has happened in the last ten years to act like being stacked with talented wings is somehow a negative in this league.

To be fair, he didn't even know Ainge drafted Rondo. I don't think this kid has even watched 10 years worth of basketball.

[Captain_Caveman]

I think his point is that Tatum is **** when we play the Pistons 3 or 4 times this year if Griffin is healthy.

Cool, I guess.

It is a complete misread of the field and everything that has happened in the last ten years to act like being stacked with talented wings is somehow a negative in this league.

Nevermind the fact that’s precisely how we mopped the floor with Philly and Tatum and Brown dominated Reddick, Belineli and Ilyasova. Sixers have zero wing depth to speak of and then try to come at Boston fans with their process hero’s that already got worked when games actually matter

Having wings allowed us to guard the 3-point line. We basically conceded anything Embiid and Simmons wanted to do inside. Baynes was good enough to slow Embiid down, and bitchmade Simmons wasn't man enough to try to take Smart or Morris in the paint. He kept looking to kick out to guys who were covered and turtled up like a little bitch when he realized he had to do it himself against our goons.

[sully00]

Embiid was not healthy. He could barely see with the mask and was clearly bothering him. I wouldn't call losing 3 games in the final 20 seconds being light years ahead. Sixers just didn't execute down the stretch and Boston did.

What about the Boston didn't have Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward don't you understand? We only had Haywood for 5 mins so no idea how much we missed him but with Irving Boston is so much better offensively especially on the road that it is night and day. Irving is one of the 10 best players in the league and probably one 5 best offensive players. We got bye with Rozier but he is like 20% of Kyrie Irving.

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Says the guy who thinks Jayson Tatum plays SG. I know Haywood is no JJ Redick or that Covington guy what happened to him in the playoffs was he hurt or something it was like he was almost invisible.

[Captain_Caveman]

What about the Boston didn't have Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward don't you understand? We only had Haywood for 5 mins so no idea how much we missed him but with Irving Boston is so much better offensively especially on the road that it is night and day. Irving is one of the 10 best players in the league and probably one 5 best offensive players. We got bye with Rozier but he is like 20% of Kyrie Irving.

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Says the guy who thinks Jayson Tatum plays SG. I know Haywood is no JJ Redick or that Covington guy what happened to him in the playoffs was he hurt or something it was like he was almost invisible.

Philly ain't ****, and unless they get Kawhi for nickels or that Kings pick next year, they never will be. Not on our level, not worth paying any attention to going forward. The Bucks have a chance to matter, because Giannis is twice the player Simmons ever will be. Other than that, I'm only looking at the Warriors.

[mbsnmisc]

You're already prepared to say that to be better than Fultz, a player has to become an all star? Because I'm not.

No, what I'm saying is Ainge draft history over the past 15 seasons is ho hum. NBA draft are a crap shot with many busts in general. Ainge is a great GM in terms of trades/acquitions though.

No one's drafted better in recent years.

Ainge and staff have been nailing the draft for a while. Tatum, Brown, and Rozier were optimal picks at their spots; no player better was taken afterwards which is incredible. The later picks in the 2016 draft were used on internationals to keep cap space clear for a run at free agents. Smart was picked 6th and was about the best guy available among the top prospects (no one was picking Jokic or Capela there).

This year's pick looks very promising.

Plus with Tatum they got an extra pick in 2019, but hold the celebration until that position is determined. No need to drop the confetti prematurely.

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[Theocy]

Hayward would eat into Tatum's minutes. Tatum is not a good enough ball handler to play the 2 slot. So if Haywood was healthy, he would have hinder Tatum's development/minutes. Boston overpaid for Hayward who is a one time fringe all star and coming off a major injury.

I do agree Rozier is 20% of Kyrie Irving. Rozier is over-rated and Boston is trying to sell high on him to the sucker Spurs. Spurs aren't taking the bait since they have a better and younger guard already. I do love Kyrie's offensive game.

Says the guy who thinks Jayson Tatum plays SG. I know Haywood is no JJ Redick or that Covington guy what happened to him in the playoffs was he hurt or something it was like he was almost invisible.

Philly ain't ****, and unless they get Kawhi for nickels or that Kings pick next year, they never will be. Not on our level, not worth paying any attention to going forward. The Bucks have a chance to matter, because Giannis is twice the player Simmons ever will be. Other than that, I'm only looking at the Warriors.

Have the Bucks considered Leonard? I find it weird their team never comes up. Put him with Yiannis and you get a very good duo?

[Green_teamer]

No my point is Tatum can't play the 2 slot. Only reason he started against Cleveland with Hayward opening night is Cleveland started a small lineup. Neither Hayward/Tatum can play the 4 slot or not for every long stretches.

Neither Fultz or Simmons can hit a 10 foot shot. What's your point?

The point is that boston fans say "we don't have Hayward" and still won. Hayward and Tatum essentially play the same 3 position. Maybe for a few minutes they can slide over to the 4 slot against small ball teams. But Hayward/Tatum combo aren't going to be on the same court against bigger lineups. Having Hayward injured helped Tatum's development and let him play more minutes.

Your so uninformed. Tatum and Hayward will play together to open/close games and they'll stagger the minutes the rest. Your uninformed